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How getting around stake restrictions isn't as tough as you might imagine
How getting around stake restrictions isn't as tough as you might imagine
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Fair play my ar£e swaddle
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He must have been p!ssing himself laughing as he penned that garbage.
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In an ideal world he would do all of the above, infact, I hope it does, too much gravy would be spilt though sorry.
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in the next article he'll be telling us how you can win the jackpot on the lottery if you persevere with it
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I can only think that they are both straight out of school/university and this new normal is all they know.
Harking back to when I was a betting shop manager, the average stake per bet was between £4 and £10, depending on the shop. That's £12 - £30 in today's money and that was the average. To think that the max bet these guys are talking about is below the old average of casual punters. I can't talk about horses now because I stopped betting on them at all seriously in 2004, but I see the same thing with other sports or events. Unless you are betting on football it's very hard to get much on at all with a bookmaker. I backed Ronnie Baker at 8/1 with Dafabet for the 100m. It was a new account and the max bet was £21. I followed up with £4 at 50/1 (again the max) on Josh Kerr in the 1500m. I also followed up with £35 at 7/1 on Ronnie Baker with Quinnbet (again a new account and again the max). They used the same odds feed as Dafabet. The £21 had forced them to cut the odds to 7/1. Ronnie Baker wasn't listed on Betfair and there was no exchange market for the 1500m. I tried later with a major bookie through a friend at 6/1 (in my mind I thought around 5/1 was more like it) and he was offered £3.33. This is the Blue Riband event of the Olympic Games and his account was a clean account. The bets with Dafabet and Quinnbet were the last bets I had with them. They limited me to under £1. By comparison, in 2007, I walked into a high street bookie and had £500 at 5/1 on Jamaica in the relay at the 2007 World Championship just like that. |
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Am I the only one who reviewed Brentford NoHope’s form after reading this?
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on threads like this i often see bookies or bookies sympathisers tut tutting arbers..is there any difference in this and what the bookies do but its called hedging? and if a bookie is happy to take a bet why do they care what the punter does ? its no skin off their nose? same as a bookie taking 500 at 5/4 and laying back 400 of it at 7/4 on machine?
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Still my best day ever was the day we had 2 betfair sites and no one realised you could bet on one and lay off on another.
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@kavvie -- Hills (or possibly 888) has 1,400 shops. If they lay just £1 to a single punter in each shop they will have taken £1,400 and won't be able to arb it back on here at a bigger price because there is not the liquidity until shortly before the race.
You are right about on-course bookmakers but that is a separate problem. Re arbers. The trouble from the bookies' point of view is (a) it probably does mean their odds are too big, and (b) there are lots of them because everyone who looks can see that Ladbrokes are out of line -- it is not just you trying to get on, and (c) arbers are unlikely to lose it back over the next few races, or play in them at all. The trouble for punters is not that a few shrewdies (and arbers) can't bet in thousands, it is that even £10 casual punters get caught in the crossfire and are shut down or heavily restricted. Mainly this is because with FOBTs, online casinos and other random number games, bookies can afford to alienate racing punters. It is a shame, possibly even a scandal, but that is where we are. So in that context, telling casual, low-staking punters how to get their bets on probably is more useful than tilting at windmills. And @CLYDEBANK29 probably is right that the younger post hacks probably never knew any different. If you were punting in the freewheeling 1980s you've probably already claimed your old person's bus pass. |
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Part of the problem is that all or most of the small independent firms have been bought out by what was the big 3 or if you like the big 4, as Ramruma says £1 in each shop of Billys is £1400 on say a 20/1 chance, and head office know what the liability is as they can track bets taken and instantly know how the stand. How different things were before all the independents were swallowed up. I remember in the early 70s perhaps 1972, one of the local guys showing me his betting slip and he had £200 on with a local bookie who had one shop. Makes you wonder if the big firms should be limited to the number of shops that they can have.
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The first time I ever had a bet referred was at a small independent in Yorkshire. It was 1970 and for £10 on a 5/1 shot so things were already changing then as this could never have happened in the 60s.
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It's not news that things have got progressively worse since 2002. For me personally, the biggest changes I noticed were during the Summer/Autumn of 2010 and after the first COVID lockdown. But it's been downhill consistently in terms of betting opportunities with bookies for 16-20 years and with exchanges since 2008.
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If you are gunna spend days traipsing round shops putting on shrapnel, my advice is to find a more attractive hobby to pass the time.
Like listening to Dave Y ates audiobooks |
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"If you are gunna spend days traipsing round shops putting on shrapnel, my advice is to find a more attractive hobby to pass the time."
that's sound advice. Also worth noting re. the original article, that the longer a price remains the same, the less likely it was value originally. Getting £20ew on something in increments over 10 days (can't believe i'm saying that) is not the same as getting £20ew on day one. The author should recognise that. If they don't I'd question their competence, and if they do, then the article is disingenuous by not mentioning it. |
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Jumping-cuckoo-monk 17 Sep 21 10:07
If you are gunna spend days traipsing round shops putting on shrapnel, my advice is to find a more attractive hobby to pass the time. Like listening to Dave Y ates audiobooks Why would you traipse round shops when you can bet on here? Assuming of course that you are not on PC charges. |
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Brentford Hope
To back: 26 £10 36 £7 50 £5 ______ To lay: 130 £2 Does that answer your question? |
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Brentford Hope? Is that answer to me?
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The article was about the writer's struggle to get a tenner on Brentford Hope at 100/1 in the shops. You asked why you would traipse around the shops instead of using Betfair. There's your answer. You can only get a fiver on here, and at less than half the price.
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When is this horse running?
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Oh I see October. Well we will see a little nearer the time but ante post betting is not something I ever bother with.
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Very wise then. Ante-post betting doesn't really work when you wait until a little nearer the time.
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Well if you can make that sort of betting pay then well done to you all.
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I agree with you sparrow. Overall a/p betting is for the birds. Unless you are very well informed like say, Barry Hills with Frankincense.
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But, for those who want to do so, hearing 'why not bet it on here' -when you simply can't- sounds a little grating I expect.
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Well saddo, what can't you get on here 5 or 10 minutes before the off?
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Honcho, would that be for Alec Bird
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*Alex Bird even
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sexist
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What a prize koont.
Should have been End of thread  Did Birch help him write the Article , it has Birch all over it . |
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sparrow 17 Sep 21 15:24
Well saddo, what can't you get on here 5 or 10 minutes before the off? ............................................ An ante-post bet at big odds. |
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As I said earlier that would be something I never bother with but good luck to all who find it worthwhile.
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