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Barely any contact, won snuggly on the line. Result stands, weighed in
They didnt do that the other day. If they are to remain consistent it has to be chucked out.
Carried way across Steward whip in wrong hand blah blah no change as its too near lunchtime to have to pizz about for too long.
has running diagonally for a furlong cost the runner-up a neck ?
2nd has never looked likely to get in front, never stopped riding, up until the last week or so that stands all day long
problem with these on a saturday is you get tied up for 15 mins and miss a few races
No chance, winner was going away again at line, absolutely nothing in it
absolutely nothing in it
stewards been going 20 minutes ...
stewards been going 20 minutes ...
I think it might be thrown out. Thought sds horse would of gone past imo.
wow again, im just amazed these rules are being tightened and there's been jack from the bha on the way they will manage them
think if they continue like this it just pays to side with the hindered horse given the odds
going to take a few people a while to recoup them losses going by whats been written on 'ere 
Plenty available to back SDS didnt get involved though.........
Thought I was being clever grabbing 9.2 straight after the unsuspend then went and grabbed 30.00 fckn brilliant 
threebagsfull at the curragh, quite apt if you're a steward lol
has running diagonally for a furlong cost the runner-up a neck ?
the answer is yes. and the rest.
the answer is yes. and the rest.
The FPTP was pulling away closer to the line. SDS never had to STOP riding
Tropez Power would of won imo if not drited across. I was amazed at the stewards market. Didnt get involved but backed Tropez Power myself
hulk, it's not the carried bit, it's the inconsistency between now and previous (up until 2 weeks ago), where's the public announcement that the rules are going to be more strongly enforced?
bet your life if this carried on most books will remove fptp concession
anybody who thinks its more than likely than not the 2nd was cost at least a neck from that interference is clueless imo
The jockey on the first home did nothing to correct the hanging , that simply is why it lost the race. A head distance or less would be a cert to go
, but a neck going away made it trappy. I didn't have a bet, normally any Enquiry I would be involved.
, but a neck going away made it trappy. I didn't have a bet, normally any Enquiry I would be involved.
id be gobsmacked if we hadn't had two similar, but they were closer
and that's fine blunder, but that's not how it's been handled previously
make a note of jockeys who obviously argue their case well
Not having a penny on either of them, I thought it was the right decision.
have to say if i were that confident it was the right call id have my house on it
its not not the rules but as long as jocks dont even think for a nano second of stopping using the whip,changing whip hands keep throwing them out whatever the distance,they,ll soon learn,steward had best part of a furlong and a half to at least attempt to do something about it
if the stewards have been doing one thing for a couple of years and then do something else (which appears to be happening) then for me the bha should be telling the public and those in the sport that there is a change
i don't really mind which way they jump, i'd just like to know that the old sht hd thing has been kicked into touch and they plan to be tougher
not seen replay but may have been sustained interference without any attempt at correction
sustained interference without any attempt at correction Very good point. Jockey had time to correct and didnt.
I remember Buz Khashi winning by about 10 lengths at Royal Ascot and getting disqualified.
Even when a jockey changes the whip hand and tries to stop the horse hanging, if it still takes the other horses line across the track it is going to get reversed. I was surprised at the prices that were trading.
A cheats charter if you allow a ride like that to stand as a winner for the jock, and being carried 15 yards or so left can definitely cost a horse a neck.
One of Phil Bulls 10 commandments was dont bet on SEs,as they know not what they do.
the point im making is theyve been standing until recently, it's nowrt to do with today but with consistency and how the rules are applied over long periods, right now i don't think they are following the same guidelines as they have been
if the rule is they kick them out that's fine, don't have an issue, but if they've instructed stewards to tighten up they should announce it
I agree with you elise, and the Betfair markets have not been adjusting accordingly. There is a change in interpretation of the rules.
well done to those that backed at big odds, gl for the next one lol
A cheats charter if you allow a ride like that to stand as a winner for the jock, and being carried 15 yards or so left can definitely cost a horse a neck
You're innumerate.
Carrying a horse 15 yards left over a distance of a furlong increases the distance travelled by 0.51 of a yard, call it 18 inches. A head at the most.
You're innumerate.
Carrying a horse 15 yards left over a distance of a furlong increases the distance travelled by 0.51 of a yard, call it 18 inches. A head at the most.
If any horse carrys another across in a tight finish, will be gone imo.
It wasn't a tight finish though, that's the problem. It was a neck with the winner looking stronger at the winning line
Screaming- you are assuming no loss of momentum from having to change course
The problem will continue to be that decisions can be made on an opinion of whether a horse might have won or not. That is why I prefer the American rules which say that a foul is a foul and that is it without thinking about whether a horse might have won or not.
Where was the loss of momentum? The horse never slowed down.
Jul 17, 2021 -- 2:08PM, jamesdean wrote:
It wasn't a tight finish though, that's the problem. It was a neck with the winner looking stronger at the winning line
exactly
Carrying a horse 15 yards left over a distance of a furlong increases the distance travelled by 0.51 of a yard, call it 18 inches. A head at the most
it also has to be factored in that the second horse loses even more ground by having to run in an unnatural way ( digonally ) , so the distance lost is greater than the maths formula
it also has to be factored in that the second horse loses even more ground by having to run in an unnatural way ( digonally ) , so the distance lost is greater than the maths formula
There u go with inconsistency. FPTP keeps it at Newmarket
that looked worse to me and the betting refelected the 2nd would get it
newbury should have stood & newmarket revised
turns out newbury was revised & newmarket stood
turns out newbury was revised & newmarket stood
You have to laugh. How can you bet on them going forward after they 2 results today?
The one that should go stands and the one that should stand goes
The one that should go stands and the one that should stand goes
a great example of why centralised stewarding is required
call me a thicko
but isnt the whole point of cheating,not correcting yor horse etc,etc is so that you look stronger at the line if not they wouldnt do it,if youve been hampered,harried,intimitaded carried across the track arnt you bound to look weaker at the finish than the horse breaking the rules,it isnt the point is it
but isnt the whole point of cheating,not correcting yor horse etc,etc is so that you look stronger at the line if not they wouldnt do it,if youve been hampered,harried,intimitaded carried across the track arnt you bound to look weaker at the finish than the horse breaking the rules,it isnt the point is it
ive been with that thought for a while pablo, the old argument about on track being closer or able to see the jocks face to face is past it now, this should be managed with a consistent panel who listen to the on track stewards/evidence and bring a level of consistency by guiding them to a decision if they are out of line
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