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THESE FKN BETFAIR BOTS ...PRICE IS THERE TO BACK AND THEN WHEN PLACING THE BETS THE ODDS DISAPPEAR
THESE FKN BETFAIR BOTS ...PRICE IS THERE TO BACK AND THEN WHEN PLACING THE BETS THE ODDS DISAPPEAR
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feel sorry for anyone reading this that thought it was person to person on here. probably just close the laptop & take up gardening or something ...
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green
but the snapshot in gruss will show the story of the timing of the bet matching, if you click twice the second bet timing will show how you missed the money For the timings to be correct that would mean they artificially creat a whole false market Think about it |
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https://community.betfair.com/horse_racing/go/thread/view/94102/31610699/phantom-in-running-place-market-prices?post_id=558684233#558684233
this is what may be happening in the win market now when you click to take the 12.5 , the one second delay allows "someone" to see you want to take the 12.5 and they cancel that bet and move the odds lower when i use to venture into the place market , i had a strike rate that was impossible to create of the odds i click on disappearing within the 1 second delay , unless someone could see my incoming bet within the delay |
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you dont show the bets that do get matched either...do you honestly expect every bet to be plump?
My cup runeth over |
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i miss whats in the 1st pink box 99/100
mite just be a coincidence though  |
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so pabs what does everyone else see if the bet vanishes?
If that were the case everytime all the paranoid tried to match anything either everyone else would see the money vanish too, or everyone sees different markets |
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gray a hyperthetical q for you..
you're a bookmaker,you going 10/1 a horse.. i shouted out hey gray,i'll have £100 on that.happy to take anything down to evens.. what price do you return me? |
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so on that example
Every market would vanish infront of eveyones eyes as everyone tried to place a bet eveyone else would be impacted.... Unless you are saying just your markets vanish, inline with the timestamping, meaning all those who get targetted are shown different markets Nah not for me You just missed the price and no one put any money in at that very second and your fill or kill means it doesnt hang around |
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and why does it pull some bets and lets you match others?
Is it c0ck teasing? |
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so pabs what does everyone else see if the bet vanishes?
If that were the case everytime all the paranoid tried to match anything either everyone else would see the money vanish too, or everyone sees different markets i don't know dusty , i am not saying that the market is catered for each individual . all i know is that more times than not if i tried to click whatever price was available in the grid , it was about 80% of the time the bet would not get matched and them odds would disappear |
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dusty..please place the dunces cap on ya heed.
tar. |
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i don't know dusty , i am not saying that the market is catered for each individual . all i know is that more times than not if i tried to click whatever price was available in the grid , it was about 80% of the time the bet would not get matched and them odds would disappear
spot on. |
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so you not going to say why it lets you win then?
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maybe robert got a soft side
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gray a hyperthetical q for you..
you're a bookmaker,you going 10/1 a horse.. i shouted out hey gray,i'll have £100 on that.happy to take anything down to evens.. what price do you return me? |
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Always easier playing with marked cards
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I'm with dusty on this.
In order for the money to be pulled only when a particular punter tried to match it, a different view of the market would have to be supplied to every one of us, depending on whether we were trying to match a particular price or not, so that price could be pulled from our view - while still being shown to every other player to tempt them to do the same. That seems a lot of effort to achieve - what exactly? |
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longbridge, my point about the place market is that it is geared towards everyone
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some very very naive people still trying to BTB.
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robert clealy loves drone players then
otherwise he'd stop all your bets and not just the LV ones |
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robert loves people who use an overide.
quite simple. and you still aint answered my q. |
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Immaterial as far as I can see
You'd have to believe bf simulates individual markets and I dont think any nutter hear believes that. Look at the timestamps, you can unpick what happens from there |
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here
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ok end of convo..must just be me.
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dusty , what could be happening to willie is that when he clicks 390 for £10 , and the current odds to lay are 40 , within the 1 second delay the 40 is cancelled as the bot can see 390 has been requested and he is accommodated as to whatever they can give , without giving the 40
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so why does it allow him to win 50k a quarter then?
Where does it draw the line over the scrutiny of each bet? Any why do they correlate with wins when he has a larger advantage? |
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i had dusty down as intelligent..yet pabs got it sussed.
regardless of my p&l of which a lot was from photo's/stewards etc... i still get 30 bets under 10p and £10 at 390 when i click 390. |
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i don't know the answer to them questions dusty .
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You are converging 2 arguments
1 that highlights the cross matching bot that skims off value and even puts 'phantom bets' up which I suspect vanish as other people match the same interation on another selection (just as banks lend out instances of money held in a bank to numerous people) and 2 some paranoia you feel when you dont get match...that happens to be when you are seeing the event around the same time everyone else is Is a hard existence in those races, the eco system is falling, thats as far as Ill agree with you on this |
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i still get 30 bets under 10p and £10 at 390 when i click 390.
if thats to difficult to fathom out then i give up. |
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if that is to me dusty . what i saw in the place market is from my experience, others might get matched no problem , but from i could see it was near impossible for the majority of bets disappearing when i clicked the grid , i was not trying to back 1.01s or horses in the front 3 positions.
i could easily be wrong do you think betfair play in the markets ? |
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The fragments could be bf attempting to make the markets look like they have more in them.
Its not a good look when there are large gaps between prices, but why do they allow fragments to be matched some races and let you dip your bread in others? |
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to greenie
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gray a hyperthetical q for you..
you're a bookmaker,you going 10/1 a horse.. i shouted out hey gray,i'll have £100 on that.happy to take anything down to evens.. what price do you return me? |
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People looking for conspiracy need a cold flannel IMO.
Instead of dreaming up a policy were some people get targeted only under certain conditions -that just happens to be when they are more at parity with the market, I’d say it’s summed up as this; Each bet gets converted and sprayed over each of the other runner’s lay odds, which explains all the pennies at larger odds. The closer to market parity the more risk you have to take to win due to market efficiency. That’s it, I don’t think there’s anything more sinister than that. The arse is falling out of IR, perhaps value is stripped in the calculation...but targeting individuals? Nah. |
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Cant imagine any bookmaker targeting individuals
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Each bet gets converted and sprayed over each of the other runner’s lay odds, which explains all the pennies at larger odds.
so.click 390 and 30 bets 180-380 under 10p and £10 at 390?  stop embarrassing yourself man. |
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By your question you implied that by telegraphing your intentions bf take advantage....except when they dont.
But I and I bet every other user experiences difficulty getting matched when attempting the conventional route of clicking th boxes with the prices in. Whenever I fail to get matched I investigate the snapshot in gruss transaction log. I click twice, so the second unmatched bet shows the truth. The timestamp plus the latency of bet match determines whether the price in the second bet should have matched or not...if the bet is still available from first click theres a disparency...I have never experienced this happen, each time its simply a bet that lapsed or cancelled or taken by somebody else. |
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btw
do you honestly not know why theres money at 390 and not inbetween ffs? Its cos you tell the world you are laying 290 or whatever or they look at the data after the race, and put up trap bets |
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390
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