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Wesdag
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Report glentoby March 5, 2021 8:06 PM GMT
An headline? Is that Gaelic?
Report Rico-Dangleflaps March 5, 2021 8:07 PM GMT
why were rubbers placed on top of pencils?
Report Cuthbert March 5, 2021 8:39 PM GMT
it's the trainers offering support that disappoints me. Are they saying it's ok to have a pic sitting on a dead horse.
One of those was hen, happy for snaps sitting on the remains of best mate ?
Report knoxville March 5, 2021 8:49 PM GMT

Mar 5, 2021 -- 12:08PM, brigust1 wrote:


Gutless bag of Irish shouite. O'Leary's lawyers and the Moran's must have put the crap up them. Anyone who thinks is is right should hang their head in shame. That is no punishment


so what arbitrary punishment should he get to appease you then??
plenty of idiots coming out of the woodwork the past week.

Report knoxville March 5, 2021 8:51 PM GMT
fook all horses have left his yard the past week despite what all the experts have spouted.
back in business in 6 months
Report Mister Westsound March 5, 2021 8:57 PM GMT
His horses are now "trained" (at least in name) by Denise "sneezy" Foster according to RTV tonight
Report Cuthbert March 5, 2021 9:07 PM GMT
For the non horse racing population, the offence is equivalent to a care home worker having a pic sitting on a recently deceased 91 year old lady from Dundee.
Were that to happen, 6 months  receiving pay, (but via a different name on the pay check).

If we can't police racing effectively, it will be taken out of our hands by the anti racing faction.
Report olddesperado March 5, 2021 9:10 PM GMT
I was of the opinion he needed a big punishment and am more or less satisfied with the judgement today but if it's just a name change over the door and business as usual then feck that.

He needs to be barred from the premises during his ban imo or It's just a joke.
Report 11kv March 5, 2021 9:13 PM GMT
Wont happen Karl Burke carried on sweeping the yard under his wife's direction...Mischief
Report ribero1 March 5, 2021 9:15 PM GMT
Meanwhile Willie O'Doherty has his first winner since May 2017,6.0 Dundalk.
Report olddesperado March 5, 2021 9:16 PM GMT
It's all a sham isn't it.
Report Wesdag March 5, 2021 9:17 PM GMT
Agreed, should be banned from all racing activities for the duration.
Report 1st time poster March 5, 2021 9:18 PM GMT
report says elliott offered no credible explanition
in other words his statement to public,racegoer,s was an insult to their intelligence and a fairytale a 5 yr old would be embarrassed by
Report SontaranStratagem March 5, 2021 9:18 PM GMT

Mar 5, 2021 -- 2:57PM, Mister Westsound wrote:


His horses are now "trained" (at least in name) by Denise "sneezy" Foster according to RTV tonight


Its similar to another case a few years back

We all know he'll still be training them from his bedroom window ffs, he just wont be at the races

Its quite sad really, the media made a meal of it and as usual there's nothing really happened

I'd still be tearing down the cants door after the so called ban though

Report glentoby March 5, 2021 9:19 PM GMT
Get a grip FFS,I was as angry as anybody,never had a suspect tried and convicted by a baying bunch of idiotic hounds though.The punishment is meted out,let him get on with serving it without your twisted minds?

Just hope your collars are not felt and a trial conducted by your peers?
Report 1st time poster March 5, 2021 9:20 PM GMT
report also says
a concerted attack on elliott,s reputation by people/reasons unknown

did they even ask the reasons
Report olddesperado March 5, 2021 9:22 PM GMT
They asked,  he said he didn't know according to Egan tonight.
Report 1st time poster March 5, 2021 9:23 PM GMT
cheers

seems the most important question and answer to me
Report olddesperado March 5, 2021 9:25 PM GMT
Interviewer asked were they investigating this sinister attack on him and Egan said no it was a matter for Gordon and the irish garda.
Report 1st time poster March 5, 2021 9:26 PM GMT
cheers
Report elise March 5, 2021 9:36 PM GMT
probably wise of GE not to open up another scandal by sticking a name up, especially if it's the one being rumoured the other day
Report Cuthbert March 5, 2021 9:53 PM GMT
I love horses, and I love this sport, I have since watching night nurse and sea pigeon with my grandad in the 70's.
But this leaves a very bad taste, I would quite happily join together with other like minded people to withdraw our finance via betting.
We have more influence than we realise, because without betting funds, the sport is in trouble.
Tomorrow, I will watch racing, but in protest I will not be betting. This was not the only example of this sort of behaviour, it's just that GE was stupid enough caught on camera.
The sentence passed today was a joke.
Report olddesperado March 6, 2021 7:57 AM GMT
I wonder was Elliott asked could there be anything else that might come out that could damage racing .
It's a very important question imo because if he said no and something else does surface then it paints a completely new picture on the man and his running of his stables.
Report GAZO March 6, 2021 8:03 AM GMT
lets hope not we are already going into cheltenham with the itv racing,bha and sponsors hoping elliots horses dont win
Report Jumping-cuckoo-monk March 6, 2021 11:54 AM GMT
Bang on olddesperado
Report Old Brigade March 6, 2021 1:41 PM GMT
The more people that oppose Elliott's horses at Cheltenham the bigger their prices. Really hope he cleans up.
I only watch ITV races with sound off.
Report impossible123 March 6, 2021 2:17 PM GMT
On this instance Elliot's or not does not bother me. It was not animal cruelty merely distasteful and sickening; at Cheltenham I back horses, not the trainer.
Report Wesdag March 6, 2021 2:19 PM GMT
So the "ban" amounts to not entering horses under his name & not attending races?
Report impossible123 March 6, 2021 2:23 PM GMT
Yep. No horse is allowed to run under his name and ban from racecourses. But, he can still train them at home.
Report punchestown March 6, 2021 2:56 PM GMT
Denise Foster is rumoured to be taking over.
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DENISE ‘Sneezy’ Foster is expected to step in as licensed trainer at Cullentra House Stables while Gordon Elliott is suspended.

A statement confirming her appointment is expected after the weekend but The Irish Field understands that Foster has been informing her owners of the news, and a British Horseracing Authority source also revealed that Foster had made enquiries about having runners at Cheltenham.

Based in Enfield, Co Meath, Foster is held in high regard by her professional colleagues. She trains approximately 20 horses and her most recent winner was Swiss Swoo at Dundalk last month. She saddled Lily’s Rainbow to win a listed race at Navan in 2016 and Not For Burning gave her a winner at the Fairyhouse Winter Festival.

A former riding instructor, she worked with show jumpers in Ireland and Belgium earlier in life. She was married to leading eventer David Foster, who competed in three Olympics before suffering a fatal accident while competing in 1998.


https://www.theirishfield.ie/news-denise-foster-tipped-to-replace-elliott-607124/?fbclid=IwAR1jlvohTm5luUSWzHYa3PW_BbU2iycTnX3-4apfDyxm4jCYynLw9ni4FQk
Report impossible123 March 6, 2021 3:13 PM GMT
Good move no doubt aided by Gigginstown. Mr Reynolds is staying put; the Morans, McManus and others have not indicated otherwise either. Only Cheveley Park has jumped ship.
Report Wesdag March 6, 2021 3:13 PM GMT
So basically, just change your name to Denise Foster for 6 months & carry on as before.
Report punchestown March 6, 2021 3:27 PM GMT
So basically, just change your name to Denise Foster for 6 months & carry on as before

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Yep, but a few potential limousines have left the yard probably never to return.
Report Howellsy March 6, 2021 4:08 PM GMT
'Gordon will be able to assist her as she requires.' Oh, I see - that's what it means to be banned from training for 6 months.
Report brigust1 March 6, 2021 4:39 PM GMT
It is taking the p i ss, everyone knows it but are too gut less to say. Never mind, the goody goody boys will be happy he hasn't been punished. Maybe only the girl who looked after Envoi Allen will suffer. Result.
Report brigust1 March 6, 2021 4:43 PM GMT
Never mind, if they rub the journo's noses in it enough even they may start railing against it. I won't hold my breath though.
Report elise March 6, 2021 6:14 PM GMT
when has it ever been any different in ireland or the uk? there have been worse crimes and those involved have carried on, we've had banned /warned off still going on tracks, not a new thing
Report glentoby March 6, 2021 6:40 PM GMT
Have you nothing more pressing to worry about?

Lucky people if so!!!
Report punchestown March 6, 2021 6:54 PM GMT
Gordon Elliott
@gelliott_racing
·
1h
Gordon Elliott Racing is pleased to confirm the Racing Post story that Denise Foster will take over the licence at Cullentra Stables during the period of Gordon Elliott’s suspension. Denise is vastly experienced and her appointment is great news for staff and owners
Report swiftynifty March 6, 2021 7:16 PM GMT
So Gordon just to confirm, you will still be overseeing operations from the office, you will still be getting paid training fees, you will still very probably be collecting 10% of horse earnings (by agreement no doubt with the new license holder). But you are banned from attending meetings?
Report Wesdag March 6, 2021 7:17 PM GMT
An initial statement from Elliott's Twitter account on Saturday that said he would be available to "assist" Foster was later deleted.

"Denise is vastly experienced and her appointment is great news for staff and owners," said a second version.


In football terms like a suspended player just wearing a shirt with a different name on the back.
Report glentoby March 6, 2021 7:25 PM GMT
Wesdag,would you like to see some photos of Ian Crawford and gauge the reaction in order to keep your thread alive?

When does it stop from non important,insignificant opinions to let a life go on?
Report brigust1 March 6, 2021 7:47 PM GMT
You are absolutely right Glen. Job done as O'Leary would be saying. All those nice guys who were worried you might get punished for what you did and spoke up for you. You can stick your two fingers up to them now. Job done. You've gotten away with it. Ha Ha Ha.
Report brigust1 March 6, 2021 7:49 PM GMT
I bet Ted Walsh is relieved. He was seriously worried about your mental health, stupid coot.
Report swingwhenuwinning March 6, 2021 7:53 PM GMT
Funny breed them horsey folk, sit on a leather saddle use leather boots yet cry when someone sits on a dead horse
Report elise March 6, 2021 7:59 PM GMT
Tweet from Cullantra   ... the team would like to welcome Pablo to the yard to take up the post of Assistant Trainer. Pablo has a wealth of experience as a rider and trainer in his native Mexico, he's 15 stone, has curly black hair, a handlebar moustache and always wears his trademark dark glasses, any resemblance to a Mr G Elliott is entirely coincidental ....
Report 1st time poster March 6, 2021 8:00 PM GMT
another calamitous statement from elliott,theyve had to remove the line, he,ll be around to assist
paul haywood who,s leading the MSM sports writer on this fuming on twitter accusing elliott of taking the pish and imploring chelt to ban elliotts horses from chelt
Report impossible123 March 6, 2021 8:01 PM GMT
Indeed. Horses regularly lose their lives on the racecourses esp chasers, and all they could manage was "that's what they like to do".
Report 1st time poster March 6, 2021 8:03 PM GMT
4 statements from elliott 3 of them insulting peoples intelligence,more proof that no way on gods earth did elliott scrip yesterdays statement, which means it meant nothing
Report impossible123 March 6, 2021 8:03 PM GMT
Imagine Al Zarooni install as the interim head honcho at Cullentra Stable whilst Elliot is taking a "sabbatical".
Report glentoby March 6, 2021 8:11 PM GMT
As asked anyone wish to see photographs of Ian Crawford to get a bit of context? Or how about 27/09/79 photos on the day a horse named Karens Star won,beautiful sunny bank holiday Monday?

Bad things happen,Elliot was not responsible for the photos I have!!! FFS let him alone YSDCs?
Report glentoby March 6, 2021 8:20 PM GMT
Any of you googled Ian Crawford yet?


Thoughts if you have?
Report swiftynifty March 6, 2021 8:24 PM GMT
No. Did he eat his own horse?
Report glentoby March 6, 2021 8:30 PM GMT
Another genius with an IQ of an intelligent molusc!!!
Report GLASGOWCALLING March 6, 2021 8:43 PM GMT
.... Mollusc. Wink
Report glentoby March 6, 2021 8:48 PM GMT
Harsh on Oysters maybe GC..........remember him btw,you just sparked a buried memory........OI OYSTEN...........or similar?

Turned out he was a deviant of some sort?
Report 1st time poster March 6, 2021 8:50 PM GMT
ruined blackpool fc
Report 1st time poster March 6, 2021 8:50 PM GMT
o i oyston 1st tues of flat season unbeatable at catterick
Report glentoby March 6, 2021 9:08 PM GMT
Was he a perv 1st time poster? I recall an investigation when still an Inspector tasked with inquiry,at Norwich btw?
Report posy March 6, 2021 10:14 PM GMT
I’ve emailed the BHA pointing out the farce of Elliott remaining at the yard to assist Foster.
Report glentoby March 6, 2021 10:20 PM GMT
The BHA have no jurisdiction Posy!!! hth
Report WHOKNOWSTHEBOWLER March 7, 2021 9:25 AM GMT
So  he hasn't been punished at all really. A 15,000 fine is his % for winning one race at Cheltenham (he wins around 6 a year. A 6  month ban ?! The horses still run and he just manages the training  by phone and email rather than being on the gallops - I don't see how anyone could suggest the ban is other than anything but extremely lenient.
There will still be a hundred plus horses in his stable , which he clearly will see oversee until he returns in 6 months..the season is over in 3 months anyway - pretty much got off scot free.
Report posy March 7, 2021 9:38 AM GMT
glentoby i'm not completely senile ;of course the BHA have no jurisdiction over the IHRB however they are in a position to exert considerable pressure by  threatening to refuse to accept entries from the Foster (Elliott) yard if they believe the ban to be merely window dressing.

Elliott let the cat out of the bag with his tweet yesterday ;presumably he got a phone call from the IHRB telling him to delete it post haste.   The man's obviously as thick as two short planks and the IHRB are going to have to keep him on a very short leash to avoid continual embarrassment.
Report 1st time poster March 7, 2021 9:46 AM GMT
reporteD yesterday that elliott paid a well known PR firm to produce fridays statement
NO ****
Report 1st time poster March 7, 2021 9:47 AM GMT
NO SHOITE
Report 1st time poster March 7, 2021 9:47 AM GMT
NO SHOITE
Report olddesperado March 7, 2021 10:03 AM GMT
According to nick luck today,   as Elliott is just suspended and not license revoked Elliott is free to work in the yard and assist in the training...
Report posy March 7, 2021 10:17 AM GMT
Thanks for clarifying desperado ; will be interesting to see how the bha view the distinction.
Report buddeliea March 7, 2021 10:20 AM GMT
Hes banned for 6 months, but can still help with training?

So effectively.....he aint bannedLaugh

Joke!!!
Report brigust1 March 7, 2021 10:27 AM GMT
I have said it before I think O'Leary going along to support him was massive. Any threats of legal action and the huge costs that would involve scared the IRHB into the lightest possible sentence where absolutely nothing has changed.
Report doorman99 March 7, 2021 11:49 AM GMT
What exactly did he tweet yesterday please?
Report 1st time poster March 7, 2021 11:51 AM GMT
the last line was
i,ll be around in yard to assist and help
dropped within the hour
Report acey deucy March 7, 2021 12:25 PM GMT
Elliot probably cant believe his luck i think he has got away very lightly.
Report punchestown March 7, 2021 1:09 PM GMT
What exactly did he tweet yesterday please?


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Gordon Elliott
@gelliott_racing
·
1h
Gordon Elliott Racing is pleased to confirm the Racing Post story that Denise Foster will take over the licence at Cullentra Stables during the period of Gordon Elliott’s suspension. Denise is vastly experienced and her appointment is great news for staff and owners
Report impossible123 March 7, 2021 2:51 PM GMT
Move on, nothing to see here. I hope his horses win all the races they are fancied to win for the stable lads and lasses (I hope they get to share all the prize monies won). Much, much worse things happen on the track on a regular basis eg beating the pants of a horse trying to win; doping; Sheikh Mohammed; dodgy money; bloodstock; etc.
Report impossible123 March 7, 2021 2:52 PM GMT
I meant off the course too.
Report lordnoise March 8, 2021 10:32 AM GMT
If the public perception is that those in racing have closed ranks and provided an easy out for Elliott then this judgement will only come back and bite them.
Report 1st time poster March 8, 2021 10:37 AM GMT
if the argument goes losing envoi etc is punishment enough and yard shouldnt lose chance of chelt runners
the bar has been set
so how do you punish yards lots in the north who can only dream of a chelt runner,best rated horses around a 100,if they transgress do you make the fines bigger ,suspension longer
Report Jumping-cuckoo-monk March 8, 2021 11:08 AM GMT
Gordon is getting boozed up in his bar laughing his balls off
Getting bets down on the pikey fight for tonight in the stable courtyard
He loves his harses dough
Report brigust1 March 8, 2021 11:32 AM GMT
I don't mind GE he seems to be a good trainer but what he did was wrong. It was/is hugely damaging for racing but how can this be a punishment? The girl who looked after Envoi Allen has been been punished but GE hasn't. Even those on here who clearly couldn't give a monkey's for respecting horses couldn't have believed he has gotten away with it. Perhaps we will see a picture of Elliott on O'Leary's dead horse with the headlines 'Fly Ryanair'.
Report in hell March 8, 2021 12:31 PM GMT
Basically Elliott is really banned and will still be running the yard, but not go racing and Sneezy will be the face. Bit of joke sentence  really
Report posy March 8, 2021 12:32 PM GMT
Apparently IHRB may impose further conditions today.
Report in hell March 8, 2021 12:33 PM GMT
isn't
Report Ramruma March 8, 2021 1:09 PM GMT
Today is the last day to transfer Cheltenham runners to other trainers. Do we know if Sneezy's signed on the dotted line yet?
Report brigust1 March 8, 2021 1:11 PM GMT
Perhaps they are going to return the 15k. It was an oversight. Bit harsh on a millionaire with lawyers.
Report impossible123 March 8, 2021 3:34 PM GMT
If the judgement and punishment are acceptable to the stable lads/lasses, the owners at Cullentra stable that's all that matters. These are the people directly affected the most; outsiders may not agree, such is life.

Horseracing is only a minority sport. And, no body died!
Report duffy March 8, 2021 3:47 PM GMT
The BHA have well and truly naused this up, not for acting, but for thinking that the measures they took would be enough to alleviate the problem that they so wanted to avoid namely, the festival being open to heavy criticism, just as it was last year.

They thought that the horses would be moved to other yards, they didn't envisage a scenario where a number festival horses would remain and Elliott would still be to all intents and purposes the trainer.

So,the BHA have failed by not covering all bases and the festival will suffer as a consequence with tghe PR surrounding it highly negative.

The MSM will have a field day.
Report Wesdag March 8, 2021 4:00 PM GMT
Too right.

GE's punishment apart from the fine is not to show his face on race day.

Racing's problem is that they all live in a bubble - most don't even have relationships outside of racing.
Report in hell March 8, 2021 4:29 PM GMT
Agree with all that Duffy.
Elliott will have winners at the festival for sure and that will not look very good. Suspended, yet carries on as normal with him choosing not to go racing, rather than being banned for 6 months
Report brigust1 March 8, 2021 4:48 PM GMT
Do you really think the stable staff will vote for unemployment? You are such an idiot Impossible, you have your wish so there is nothing for you to see here.
Report buddeliea March 8, 2021 5:34 PM GMT
Imp completely missing the point of the bigger picture.
Thinks its nothing to do with us,and nothing to do with those that have the power to stop our sport.
Well its everything to do with anyone who cares about the welfare of animals and the integrity of the sport, and how the racing authorities react to cases like this one.
Report impossible123 March 8, 2021 6:25 PM GMT
Why do not I hear calls for National Hunt Racing (NHR) to be banned despite regular injuries and deaths to horses arising from their exertions on the tracks? NHR has a disproportional injury and deaths rates to the Flat. Can NHR be called a sport given the risks and dangers to the horses?

Live horses returning dead or injured. How can anyone reconcile that? NHR a sport? Surely not.
Report elise March 8, 2021 6:32 PM GMT
think they have to send the live ones to stand a chance of winning a race
Report layingisthewayforward March 8, 2021 7:36 PM GMT
Brigust1
I don't mind GE he seems to be a good trainer but what he did was wrong. It was/is hugely damaging for racing but how can this be a punishment? The girl who looked after Envoi Allen has been been punished but GE hasn't. Even those on here who clearly couldn't give a monkey's for respecting horses couldn't have believed he has gotten away with it. Perhaps we will see a picture of Elliott on O'Leary's dead horse with the headlines 'Fly Ryanair



So removing Envoi Allen from his yard is in no way punishing Elliot? Really? Removing potentially the best NH horse in training and placing him with a rival trainer, i would have thought that will hurt him a lot.
Report punchestown March 8, 2021 7:45 PM GMT
Today is the last day to transfer Cheltenham runners to other trainers. Do we know if Sneezy's signed on the dotted line yet?

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According to the Irish Field dated yesterday she takes over on Monday which I assume is today so the horses should be ok to run.

https://www.theirishfield.ie/foster-honoured-to-take-over-elliott-yard-from-monday-607203/?fbclid=IwAR2NqUfzKyrYeqcuvNGIt44GNSrj66bqmFHIbKBx7nh7SYCiWku6uJe_5jQ
Report leif March 8, 2021 7:45 PM GMT
Cheltenham Festival fancy Galvin moves to Ian Ferguson from Gordon Elliott yard

Another bullet removed from the barrel.
Report brigust1 March 9, 2021 8:30 AM GMT
Laying, no I don't think it is. GE is apparently a very rich, young man who will have many more opportunities. The lass who looked after him won't. She is who has been punished, not Elliott. All this rubbish about trainers loving their horses is as nothing compared to the grooms. The trainer may have 200 horses in his yard whereas the groom has only a couple. Work it out. I hope the owners of Envoi Allen make sure his ex groom is looked after but it will not be the same, not by a long way.
Report loper March 9, 2021 5:57 PM GMT
So Gordon Elliot will be able to train from his yard, go racing should he choose and spend the close season getting ready for the 21/22 season.

Then take over the license again just as the NH season gets into full gear.

Racing's critics will have a field day with that.
Report elise March 9, 2021 6:00 PM GMT
denise 100% losers since she took over, terrible stable form
Report glentoby March 9, 2021 6:00 PM GMT
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