fire away gamble

No problem with connections landing gambles but its the way that all 3 have been campaigned. I wonder who makes up the "The Welly Wobblers Club" Cue a horse named Welly Wobbler coming to a racecourse near you, once they've been paid out.

The last one like this  was 5/6 years ago

Someone is sitting pretty there, Casemoney.

I’d love to get in on a coup! Could someone message me very early next time please!?

I takey our point withe the first one WP and the way it won, the second was a bit different, course winner well handicapped, the third one has still to win

yes good luck all participants ,will watch without financial interest !  give it to em !

Not me Ken

Good luck Case .

Lend us a tenner

Might ask if they are OK for a nip , if last one wins

Was it from social media casemoney ?

I wished mate

I can't believe you just said that about that Southwell winner dealer.




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Yes Blokes actually a big punter Put it up  A dog punter , But I doubt its his Bet actually posts on Dog forum I hope it is

I remember joining in on one about six or seven years ago. Pretty sure it was a Friday night and Cheltenham Gold Cup day. I got some pretty fancy prices at a local independent compared to online prices available. The first one burst out of the stalls and led for a short while, before being headed along way from home, and finished last.

You could have any price you wanted on the remaining three horses after that!

Re casemoney's posted bet. Anyone want to estimate the odds of getting that bet on as stated?

you can tell things like this were started by rich and well connected people because its called a coup,if things like this was pulled off by poor people it would be called cheating

Surprised anyone involved has put it up on there to be honest.

Sparrow its a 5 time course winner, won off 74 before,

as stated the Southwell winner hacked up
in a Cls3 off 74.Had good back form.

Is this another Gary Wiltshire moment

'm not all that sure Jardine and Bourke qualify as "rich and well connected" ( not that I know anything about them, mind!

and to those stakes

And dropped 15 lb’s in six months.

There's a lot of jellussy on this fred. Should have studied your form books more.

Neither would I No9

come on then lets have it winner winner winner.

Nicky Richards to spoil the party!

dealer....Only 5lb lower previous run and beated 25 lengths and thats why neither you, me or anyone else would have considered backing it.

That drop of 3lbs from LTO really helped

Let's hope he's not pulled-up.

Some pressure on the jock here I would imagine

3 to jump

Boooooo

Didnt get home

1.4 in running but only 4th

I backed the third one so they got the memo that it can't win.

Funny ride on Bullion Boss

Imagine they laid the last, could afford to at the prices

It's always the last leg that lets you down...

some fixed race that was.

Some fancy cash outs may have be turned down there. Had a fair chance.

See, there is a god!!!

Nicholls comes to racing's rescue!

good old pumpkin,richards didnt try a leg

One that got away, it was another of the Getaway's.

Who the hell is Burke ?

Actually they didn't, there was no massive lay spike before the off.

Didn't one leg let down Barney's patent a few years ago not that he cared

Sparrow maybe you wouldn't but I guarantee a few did

And a lot of conspiracy theories blown out the window

Well done Nicholls

I would hope the runs of the three second d favs in these races will be looked at properly

Never put in the race JCM!

Those few dealer were in the know.  It's the ordinary punter that pays out in the long run.

In the end, probably not too bad a result, the double on the 1st 2 has put the perps in profit and the levy board doesn't have to suffer too much from bookmakers' losses, which can only benefit racing. And an interesting day was had by all.

You don't hear the bookies crying when they are raking the money in, Cry like babies when it looks like the are about to take a hit.

Hopefully they still made a few quid

Yes the 2nd fav may as well have stopped at home.

Sves the bookies.

as thinking of doing that winner.

Long way for Nichols to go with the horse.

Decided against it with the gamble.

'Lay' the fav for beer money hoping he'd win for fun.

sent the wrong one to monghan even bourke could have won with the 1st one today 

They probably cashed out a few of their bets for very tasty sums and let a few run.....they've had a very good day at the office.

Shirley you would have 10 ew on the 1st one Madness

Cash outs are pretty dire value

I saw that one later case,it was down to just over 12k with the rule 4's.

Agree dealer,doubt they'd bother cashing out,they will be proper gamblers who know what value is.

I assume that is mortgage paid with the double and the partial lay off https://m.facebook.com/itvborder/videos/daragh-bourke-youngest-horse-trainer...

I wonder what Jardine's cut is  ?

no winner for 2 months and then that goes in!

Yeah, you wouldn't cash out for that. I just assumed they would offer a decent cash out amount, what with their liabilities and the horse almost odds on before the off.

surely that's the cash out after the first winner only?

How can that cash out offer be right? Just did the math and the potential payout would be £81,000 if it was an £16.50 EW treble? Even if it was £4.00 EW Trixie, surely the offer would be a lot more seeing as the first 2 would pay £676.00 and you have 30s about an Even money chance?

Just saw your post Swift. Can't be right, can it?

WP, it had to have been after 1 whatever the bet. Cash Outs are another disgrace that should be investigated. I had a bet yesterday paying over £450 and they were offering in-running £280 as it was crossing the line in front by 3l. I think it really should be renamed Catch Out because that's all it's really doing to ill-informed punters who see the £££s but have no idea how badly they are being ripped off.

Certainly agree with you about Cash outs being bad value. But I've had bets with B365 and their Cash out offers were basically for the amount I'd won on the first 2 legs with a little knocked off(less then 5%). They would also offer more than you'd won on the first 2 legs if your final selection happened to get backed down from the price you had about it. The above slip must be after one winner. I've worked out what you'd get for a £4.00 EW trixie with the last leg going off 4/5.....the cash out offer for the bet MUST have been 5 figures after the first 2 won. So, back to my point, some bets were probably cashed out and some left to run.

I doubt the cash out after the first 2 winners was anywhere near 5 figures.

You'd get paid out £2.168.60 without the 3 R4's if you had the last leg at SP. You wouldn't be much of a bookmaker if you didn't offer a decent 5 figure cash out.

I concur with the dealer

everyone going on about this coup, goes on all the time  week with coolmore runners , mullins, hendo, etc etc  but big song and dance about small stable

hendos binocular is what i call real cheating

Note the first leg trainer move was from Daragh Bourke to L J Morgan and the last leg was trained by Daragh Bourke ...... let's see if anyone can join up any dots. If you think you have ANY chance at this game without the inside track ...... bingo

agree elisjohn - big boys at it every day

not a big fuss when aiden and magniers  hit a 4/1 , 3/1 evens treble, 40s treble, when they get thousands on no problem

Anybody else think that the whole "coup' was actually a massive PR stunt dreamt up by the bookie PR reps and that there were no liabilities outside the norm?

probally would be if coolmore had ran them down the field for the last year and then got backed down from big prices

thats what jonjo and mcmanus    do all the time, but again this gets exposed   as doing it with low grade hcappers, coolmore do it with maidens and hopeless cases winning group1s

name some who won group one's ?

last years derby winner for starters

dont remember it being backed off the boards ?

Feb 7, 2021 -- 3:16PM, GAZO wrote:

dont remember it being backed off the boards ?

Dont they own ladbrokes, so getting a hot one turned over is win win for them.

Would the member(s) who knew or thought  what went on here, kindly post a coherent assessment.   Actually even if you did not know, please post your best assessment.

Previous, ill informed, usual suspects are respectfully asked from re-posting on this fred (punts, gaze, and you know who you are etc) .

Quite pleased the treble went down. Shame any of them won. I am surprised those within the industry are at pains to highlight this sort of thing because it makes the sport look a joke. I like to see bookmakers lose but not at the expense of punters who actually think it is worth studying form.

I agree with dd, This kind of stuff is all good fun and of huge interest, and is of course only the extreme end of "handicapping". BUT this will never end, all the time folks on here and elsewhere think it is good for racing; prize money makes it profitable to c heat, and the authorities take little or ineffective action.

blackbarn, this kind of stuff happens everyday in low grade racing, all these people are guilty of is trying to get 3 horses ready for a bigger payout.

Thankfully, what happened yesterday doesn't go on every day. If it did perhaps you can point to examples of three horses shortening in that way?  Basically, you are defending deception and the idea of the vast majority being deliberately shafted by those 'in the know'.

@driver2 -- "all these people are guilty of..."

That will save the BHA investigating precisely who owned, trained and controlled the horses, and when.

What I’m surprised at is that so many bets across several bookmakers were struck.

According to one account (VC guy) “they woke up to the bad news on Sunday morning”

Seems a little dangerous.

I mean no warning system to flag something like this? No communication with other bookmakers?

This is something they need to tackle themselves (I’m talking about the bets and not the handicapping mechanics) else they just leave themselves open to being targeted again.

trance as hit the nail on the head here forget the plot horses trainers
they,ll blab on, on the media how difficult it is to get hores right on same day,entriues.find races,money on etc,etc,
so imagine your luck at achieving all that, and what would have been without the plot horse 3 favs as it was 3 2nd favs never put in any of the 3 races with a chance of winning from when the flag went up,and all 3 with same pre writtrewn script
never went a yard,off day
its connections of those 3 horses that should be dragged over the carpet

Mongan - nothing to do with me we saw the gamble but nothing to do with us - check

Jardine - we seen the odds shorten on Sat night - but thought is didnt concern us - check

Bourke - nothing to do with me guv - check (ok made last one up) but its more or less what he would say

the authorities should be scrutinising everything, all stables, betting patterns etc as it brings integrity into serious question
not that we didnt know that before but it could well happen on a more regular basis, but spare me any tears for/from bookies who willingly
lay horses day in day out who they know wont win in advance and woe betide anyone who actually wins of course, just mugs money please...

'In the old days' - Before all this INTERNET PUNTING - These bets would have had to be done 'around the shops' - in Gay Future Coup style.

With the last leg Losing - and just a Double landed - The whole punt could/would have probably gone under the radar - As ...

For a start  - The horses would NOT have shortened up to anything like as short as they did yesterday - That happened simply because of the current Internet and digital communication.

The 'word would NOT be out'.

The bets would not have/or barely  come to light - But still lay dormant - until a few Settlers in just a few shops thought ....

'Better ring through to Regional/Head Office and tell them that I got a 3 Doubles and a Treble 'running on' from that first race Winner .... at 20/1 .......... NOT - EVENS.

Just a note on cashouts in the thread. I had £50 John Rahm in the Farmers Golf with B £3.65, taking 7/1. When he had shortened to 3/1 in running, (their price),  they offered me £22 for the Cashout.... really tempting!

none of the betting excuses,explains 3 paper favs /3 2nd favs basically beaten ,never put in the race for a yard,
the so called 20,000 to 1 odds of coup were small fry compared to the odds of 3 favs before[ coup horses] all beaten after a yard,