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dambuster
02 Feb 21 11:31
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With the so-called affordability checks and more importantly,
the amount of accounts that are restricted or closed because someone isn't losing enough on horses.
How long before people say, lets get on with so and so, or they've had enough and stop betting on horses altogether.
Whatever the outcome, that could be the death knell for bookmakers.
There must be a market out there for a firm to lay people to win say,£500 after 11am each day or more on the show.
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Report sparrow February 2, 2021 11:56 AM GMT
Back to pre 1961 and the street bookmakers.
Report kw February 2, 2021 12:00 PM GMT
Try Starsports. I’ve never had a problem getting on at that level
Report Latalomne February 2, 2021 12:33 PM GMT
If it happens, it will be the death knell for racing before it's the death knell for the bookies.  Underground bookmakers = £0 levy contributions.
Report know all February 2, 2021 12:40 PM GMT
it will happen guaranteed if they got the fobts stopped then this will happen as there is now a big following and the cats out of the bag that gambling addicts can lose there lives and gambling can ruin families lives it has to stop so it will happen
Report TheGoddess February 2, 2021 12:51 PM GMT

Feb 2, 2021 -- 6:40AM, know all wrote:


it will happen guaranteed if they got the fobts stopped then this will happen as there is now a big following and the cats out of the bag that gambling addicts can lose there lives and gambling can ruin families lives it has to stop so it will happen


So does alcoholism and drug abuse, but I don't see a lot happening to curtail these activities

Report know all February 2, 2021 1:05 PM GMT
like all these thing its a addiction and a serious illness gambling if you have it bad, they will limit the bets as sure as eggs are eggs i wish i could bet on it its the biggest certainty ive ever seen
Report ALIEN SEX FIEND February 2, 2021 1:10 PM GMT
I have not dipped into this much. Are they saying you can gamble to your hearts content with money deposited, however, if you use those funds
and want to deposit again, they will do checks, or are they saying they will even check with monies already deposited.
Report punts February 2, 2021 1:13 PM GMT
Yes, we will find a way round their checks

It will likely be the black market or offshore bookies funded via bitcoin or something.  Either way we will get round it.

Tell them this in their stupid survey!
Report Manoleeds February 2, 2021 2:42 PM GMT
Remember the days when you went racing to place bets (cash or credit) with the likes of Billys, Coral , Laddies on rugby league, football etc to avoid betting tax?
Report FOYLESWAR February 2, 2021 2:45 PM GMT
i heard it was online slots that they are after restricting
Report punts February 2, 2021 2:49 PM GMT
They won't stop there FOYLES
Report punts February 2, 2021 2:52 PM GMT
FOYLES: The one causing most concern is the limit of £100/loss a month...
Report donb February 2, 2021 3:03 PM GMT
One thing people should realize is that the think tanks and charities that are funded by the taxpayer have the power to force government policy.  They are solely staffed be leftists and puritans who want to ban anything they do not approve of.  When they went after the smokers we all said they will come for you eventually, now we have a proposed ban on fossil fuels, obesity taxes and bans on fast food and alcohol and most other things will be next.  They will never stop and will not care how much damage their actions bring because they truly believe what they are doing is right and good.

“Most of the evil in this world is done by people with good intentions.” TS Elliot.
Report FOYLESWAR February 2, 2021 3:05 PM GMT
just had a look at one of my accounts i joined in march last year and i have turned over in the 11 months £20kShocked
Report punts February 2, 2021 3:07 PM GMT
good post don. They never quit.  I'm ashamed of this government for even entertaining these proposals..
Report kavvie February 2, 2021 3:17 PM GMT
does his apply in ireland
Report punts February 2, 2021 4:17 PM GMT
"The implications of this for racing, for punters and for basic civil liberties are appalling to contemplate. Problem gambling is a scourge that must be continually battled, but this is not a reasonable, proportionate or intelligent response to that serious issue. Instead, it is a monstrous violation of our rights and privacy that will deter millions of responsible citizens from betting and impose draconian restrictions on countless more. It thereby threatens the very future of horseracing. "

Racing Post:

tinyurl.com/99o13a96
Report dambuster February 2, 2021 4:51 PM GMT

Feb 2, 2021 -- 6:00AM, kw wrote:


Try Starsports. I’ve never had a problem getting on at that level


Same KV I've never known anyone to get a knock back from them and they go better prices than lots of firms, also, they never lay anything back on here.
i know that for A fact

Report clayfield1 February 2, 2021 5:00 PM GMT
I think in almost ever big town or city people will know a pub or bar that has a bookie in, certainly do, he'll take maybe £500 at the price showing. No early prices. As I say must go on all over Britain.
Report kavvie February 2, 2021 5:06 PM GMT
can you still do your brains in cash over the counter or whats the situation? seems v vague no?
Report impossible123 February 3, 2021 9:21 AM GMT
Just ban online slots or games ie anything not requiring skill eg bingo, 'deal or no-deal', 'rainbow riches', etc. These are quick repetitive losers (winners extremely rare/luck), and the main cause of problem gamblers or addicts. Also, they require a lot of resources eg experienced/qualified staff and time to monitor every player; only allowed in casinos not online betting or high street shops.

Nevertheless, a radical review is welcome, and long overdue. Bookies need to be reined-in given their scant "responsibility" over fobt and slots and games.
Report punts February 3, 2021 9:40 AM GMT
Bans or prohibition are absolutely NOT the answer, impossible. You think they will stop at slots? HA! They will come for racing for sure.

It would also drive business to offshore operators who will rip off users even more
Report truehoncho February 3, 2021 9:51 AM GMT
Impossible is right, you can't just prey on the less responsible. Those sorts of slots and games are hugely addictive. Horse racing should support it and promote responsible gambling. Its all very well and good saying people should be responsible for themselves but when they are not they make all gambling and gamblers look bad.
Report punts February 3, 2021 10:09 AM GMT
It's a free county. Prohibition does not work and has proven not to work

Also like I said once you concede slots its not much of a big leap to ban ALL betting.  That's what some of them want, trust me.
Report truehoncho February 3, 2021 10:16 AM GMT
A lot of the economy profits from gambling and it will be here for a long time. Its not a free country, that's just daft. Its a society with lots of restrictions.
Report impossible123 February 3, 2021 10:22 AM GMT
I do not drink or smoke. But, I've never advocated banning of these two activities except in public places and confined spaces eg Underground, restaurants, supermarkets, medic surgeries, cinemas, etc. And, neither have the government body responsible for them. Horse racing is no different; free country or civil human right have no place in sport or pastime if they are responsible for disruptive and/or destructive behaviours of participants. Human Right and Civil Liberty do have perimeters (limits) that cannot be encroached eg taking another life for the reason of revenge or retribution.

Gambling is a non-necessity pastime/hobby/activity for some just as drinking or smoking thus monitoring and policing required, if necessary if inducing negative consequences.

On another note eg Covid vaccines. I'd ban non-Covid vaccines acceptor working in care homes or NHS dealing with vulnerable or non-Covid patients for reasons of cultural or merely beliefs. If an individual is unwilling or cannot help to facilitate the objective of their profession then that individual must not be anywhere near the people (patients) they are supposed to be helping; beliefs have no place during the Covid pandemic, period.
Report truehoncho February 3, 2021 10:28 AM GMT
I'd ban non-Covid vaccines acceptor working in care homes or NHS dealing with vulnerable or non-Covid patients for reasons of cultural or merely beliefs. --0-  Not possible. There are not enough staff as it is. I know what you mean but that's why they could never do it. In social care at the moment they are about 20% under optimal staffing. Some things you just have to accept, even if they are wrong. But not slots!!!
Report impossible123 February 3, 2021 10:47 AM GMT
There is no place for any cultural diversity belief (s) during a Covid pandemic where vaccines could be the only effective method to manage and overcome it. For instance, in countries like China, Japan, S Korea, S East Asia, Australia and New Zealand with very limited immigrants (Australia and New Zealand demand Triple A applicants/immigrants unlike the UK) diversity in cultural belief is extremely limited there's nearly a 100% take-up of vaccinations unless health conditions deemed it unsafe. This is something (health conditions) care home or NHS workers in the UK are not known to be prevalent in numbers.

Also, care home workers from abroad have entered the UK usually on condition of work and cannot be on any social benefit for a period of 10 consecutive years before they qualify for permanent status to remain in the UK. I think the UK need to re-evaluate the status and value of care home workers and pay considerably more to attract new local entrants as hiring from abroad mainly predominately a few countries where cultural beliefs are rife.
Report truehoncho February 3, 2021 10:59 AM GMT
I don't disagree but what do you think a conservative government is going to do. Pay a proper wage to attract high quality workers, or let them work without a vaccine? I know what I think. The vast majority of care workers are on minimum/living wage.
Report impossible123 February 3, 2021 11:12 AM GMT
Oh yes, they are. I know of a couple too. What I'm saying recruit form elsewhere if necessary, but pay a wage over and above living wage to attract local entrants. There are many on various benefits (yet work in the black economy) who'd be "encouraged" (forced) to work eg the same ones demonstrating in Hackney, Croydon, Harringey, etc, against lockdown yet paying lip-service to it.

Sometimes too much free time and freedom bring out the less co-operative and productive side of human beings. These could also induce a perception of " superior intelligence and self-entitlement" not backed by vocational records or academic qualifications.
Report dambuster February 3, 2021 11:59 AM GMT

Feb 2, 2021 -- 11:06AM, kavvie wrote:


can you still do your brains in cash over the counter or whats the situation? seems v vague no?


I'm sure you can do your brains, but you can't win over the counter, otherwise you'll be asked to leave.
Then the local manager will call round the other local shops in that area and tell them theres a punter who's a bit clued up.

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