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With the so-called affordability checks and more importantly,
the amount of accounts that are restricted or closed because someone isn't losing enough on horses.
How long before people say, lets get on with so and so, or they've had enough and stop betting on horses altogether.
Whatever the outcome, that could be the death knell for bookmakers.
There must be a market out there for a firm to lay people to win say,£500 after 11am each day or more on the show.
the amount of accounts that are restricted or closed because someone isn't losing enough on horses.
How long before people say, lets get on with so and so, or they've had enough and stop betting on horses altogether.
Whatever the outcome, that could be the death knell for bookmakers.
There must be a market out there for a firm to lay people to win say,£500 after 11am each day or more on the show.
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Back to pre 1961 and the street bookmakers.
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Try Starsports. I’ve never had a problem getting on at that level
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If it happens, it will be the death knell for racing before it's the death knell for the bookies. Underground bookmakers = £0 levy contributions.
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it will happen guaranteed if they got the fobts stopped then this will happen as there is now a big following and the cats out of the bag that gambling addicts can lose there lives and gambling can ruin families lives it has to stop so it will happen
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like all these thing its a addiction and a serious illness gambling if you have it bad, they will limit the bets as sure as eggs are eggs i wish i could bet on it its the biggest certainty ive ever seen
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I have not dipped into this much. Are they saying you can gamble to your hearts content with money deposited, however, if you use those funds
and want to deposit again, they will do checks, or are they saying they will even check with monies already deposited. |
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Yes, we will find a way round their checks
It will likely be the black market or offshore bookies funded via bitcoin or something. Either way we will get round it. Tell them this in their stupid survey! |
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Remember the days when you went racing to place bets (cash or credit) with the likes of Billys, Coral , Laddies on rugby league, football etc to avoid betting tax?
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i heard it was online slots that they are after restricting
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They won't stop there FOYLES
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FOYLES: The one causing most concern is the limit of £100/loss a month...
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One thing people should realize is that the think tanks and charities that are funded by the taxpayer have the power to force government policy. They are solely staffed be leftists and puritans who want to ban anything they do not approve of. When they went after the smokers we all said they will come for you eventually, now we have a proposed ban on fossil fuels, obesity taxes and bans on fast food and alcohol and most other things will be next. They will never stop and will not care how much damage their actions bring because they truly believe what they are doing is right and good.
“Most of the evil in this world is done by people with good intentions.” TS Elliot. |
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just had a look at one of my accounts i joined in march last year and i have turned over in the 11 months £20k
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good post don. They never quit. I'm ashamed of this government for even entertaining these proposals..
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does his apply in ireland
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"The implications of this for racing, for punters and for basic civil liberties are appalling to contemplate. Problem gambling is a scourge that must be continually battled, but this is not a reasonable, proportionate or intelligent response to that serious issue. Instead, it is a monstrous violation of our rights and privacy that will deter millions of responsible citizens from betting and impose draconian restrictions on countless more. It thereby threatens the very future of horseracing. "
Racing Post: tinyurl.com/99o13a96 |
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I think in almost ever big town or city people will know a pub or bar that has a bookie in, certainly do, he'll take maybe £500 at the price showing. No early prices. As I say must go on all over Britain.
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can you still do your brains in cash over the counter or whats the situation? seems v vague no?
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Just ban online slots or games ie anything not requiring skill eg bingo, 'deal or no-deal', 'rainbow riches', etc. These are quick repetitive losers (winners extremely rare/luck), and the main cause of problem gamblers or addicts. Also, they require a lot of resources eg experienced/qualified staff and time to monitor every player; only allowed in casinos not online betting or high street shops.
Nevertheless, a radical review is welcome, and long overdue. Bookies need to be reined-in given their scant "responsibility" over fobt and slots and games. |
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Bans or prohibition are absolutely NOT the answer, impossible. You think they will stop at slots? HA! They will come for racing for sure.
It would also drive business to offshore operators who will rip off users even more |
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Impossible is right, you can't just prey on the less responsible. Those sorts of slots and games are hugely addictive. Horse racing should support it and promote responsible gambling. Its all very well and good saying people should be responsible for themselves but when they are not they make all gambling and gamblers look bad.
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It's a free county. Prohibition does not work and has proven not to work
Also like I said once you concede slots its not much of a big leap to ban ALL betting. That's what some of them want, trust me. |
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A lot of the economy profits from gambling and it will be here for a long time. Its not a free country, that's just daft. Its a society with lots of restrictions.
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I do not drink or smoke. But, I've never advocated banning of these two activities except in public places and confined spaces eg Underground, restaurants, supermarkets, medic surgeries, cinemas, etc. And, neither have the government body responsible for them. Horse racing is no different; free country or civil human right have no place in sport or pastime if they are responsible for disruptive and/or destructive behaviours of participants. Human Right and Civil Liberty do have perimeters (limits) that cannot be encroached eg taking another life for the reason of revenge or retribution.
Gambling is a non-necessity pastime/hobby/activity for some just as drinking or smoking thus monitoring and policing required, if necessary if inducing negative consequences. On another note eg Covid vaccines. I'd ban non-Covid vaccines acceptor working in care homes or NHS dealing with vulnerable or non-Covid patients for reasons of cultural or merely beliefs. If an individual is unwilling or cannot help to facilitate the objective of their profession then that individual must not be anywhere near the people (patients) they are supposed to be helping; beliefs have no place during the Covid pandemic, period. |
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I'd ban non-Covid vaccines acceptor working in care homes or NHS dealing with vulnerable or non-Covid patients for reasons of cultural or merely beliefs. --0- Not possible. There are not enough staff as it is. I know what you mean but that's why they could never do it. In social care at the moment they are about 20% under optimal staffing. Some things you just have to accept, even if they are wrong. But not slots!!!
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There is no place for any cultural diversity belief (s) during a Covid pandemic where vaccines could be the only effective method to manage and overcome it. For instance, in countries like China, Japan, S Korea, S East Asia, Australia and New Zealand with very limited immigrants (Australia and New Zealand demand Triple A applicants/immigrants unlike the UK) diversity in cultural belief is extremely limited there's nearly a 100% take-up of vaccinations unless health conditions deemed it unsafe. This is something (health conditions) care home or NHS workers in the UK are not known to be prevalent in numbers.
Also, care home workers from abroad have entered the UK usually on condition of work and cannot be on any social benefit for a period of 10 consecutive years before they qualify for permanent status to remain in the UK. I think the UK need to re-evaluate the status and value of care home workers and pay considerably more to attract new local entrants as hiring from abroad mainly predominately a few countries where cultural beliefs are rife. |
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I don't disagree but what do you think a conservative government is going to do. Pay a proper wage to attract high quality workers, or let them work without a vaccine? I know what I think. The vast majority of care workers are on minimum/living wage.
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Oh yes, they are. I know of a couple too. What I'm saying recruit form elsewhere if necessary, but pay a wage over and above living wage to attract local entrants. There are many on various benefits (yet work in the black economy) who'd be "encouraged" (forced) to work eg the same ones demonstrating in Hackney, Croydon, Harringey, etc, against lockdown yet paying lip-service to it.
Sometimes too much free time and freedom bring out the less co-operative and productive side of human beings. These could also induce a perception of " superior intelligence and self-entitlement" not backed by vocational records or academic qualifications. |
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