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A very lucky horse in my opinion. Apparently he turns from a mid 160 horse that has lost 10 of its last 14 races to a 178 horse on Boxing Day. Sounds bizarre but apparently it’s true.
Is it possible the last two King Georges fell apart for different reasons ? If last year was a true reflection then he must have run close to 190+ mark unless Cyrname, Lostintranslation underperformed.
Can’t have him at all.
Is it possible the last two King Georges fell apart for different reasons ? If last year was a true reflection then he must have run close to 190+ mark unless Cyrname, Lostintranslation underperformed.
Can’t have him at all.
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This one dont look that good imo.
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Who do you think will win it Hibore?
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Ridiculous post from Hibore,perhaps the single most thoughtless ridiculous post of 2020.And there have been some amazingly crazy posts.
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Times of his 2 wins don't suggest the races fell apart, comes alive at kempton loves it, hat-trick on imo.
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My immediate thought on reading opening post and Hibores opinion, the races didnt fall apart so much as Clan Des Obeaux stepped up - horses for courses and all that.
Backed it last year and while havent decided on selection this year - CDO is clearly in the mix. |
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Cyrname is the most likely winner if the ground is good/soft and Santini would be favoured if the ground went soft. His run in the 2018 Kauto wasn’t as bad as you think.
To add to that Tizzards horses were..maybe still are running like hairy goats. Lostintranslation is a good horse on his day. Throw in Real Steel who went past CDO as if he was standing still 2 out in the Gold Cup, Saint Calvados and Waiting Patiently who are similar rating. At 15/8 I’d prefer the other 7 or 8 on my side. |
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Of the front 2 I think Cyrname is the lay, all about opinions innit.
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Be amazed if CDO ever ran at Cheltenham again.
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So for clarification is CDO 21 lengths better horse than Cyrname or did he not stay lash year ?
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Not about whether CDO is 21L better than Cyrname, more CDO has done 2 good times at Kempton over 3 miles, Cyrname still has to chalk one up.
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If you are talking times I posted before the Slate House and Black Op both stuffed Cyrname last year. So either 1) Cyrname was jaded from Ascot 2) Didn’t stay 3) Overrated rating 4) Acts around Kempton over 2.5 miles but not 3miles.
I’m just saying 2 years ago he beat an ageing Thistlecrack who was 4th the year before out of 5 runners. And last year the result of Lostintranslation pulling up and Cyrname looking out in its feet before the home straight isn’t conclusive. If he was 5/1 I wouldn’t lay him but under 2/1 I will again. |
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All opinions good luck and if CDO don't win you probably took my money
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just to be clear san quentin you dont agree with the opening post ?
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Can I have a even pound he’s had a bet on CDO. |
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It's Christmas so will give you 50p at levels you devils
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Jaded from Ascot imo Hibore, also hes yet to prove he stays 3m in a race like the KG, even if it is a poor renewal(imo)
Agree re LIT, that yard seem to have lost the plot when it comes to training top class chasers. Its a fascinating race, but not that great for me. |
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 @Jim |
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Budd, Agree with jaded and also needs to confirm he stays. If ground is soft I may lay both...perhaps that is the safer bet.
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Budd, Agree with jaded and also needs to confirm he stays. If ground is soft I may lay both...perhaps that is the safer bet.
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San Quentin San Quentin Date Joined: 31 May 03 Add contact | Send message 03 Oct 20 22:01Joined: 31 May 03 | Topic/replies: 1,978 | Blogger: San Quentin's blog Lay Sottsass for the Arc, deposit all you can and lay lay lay. I have. Potentially life changing amount. Will never ever again have such a chance. agree with san quentin .......there have been some ridiculous posts tbf |
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classic |
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brilliant foyles
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oh dear
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this forum can be brutal even at christmas no mercy was shown .
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I read somewhere Henderson said Kempton
was'nt the course for Champ or Santini. Strange that he put him in late on. |
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Lol ,as I said some ridiculous posts throughout 2020 ,this perhaps tops the lot,only time will tell.
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I fell for Saint Calvados, think it could be seen to a better effect this trip? not sure really but love the upside of hope attached.
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Henderson acknowledged Kempton wasn't Santini's course but said he was jumping and wanted to get an extra run into him before March.
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Henderson acknowledged Kempton wasn't Santini's course but said he was jumping and wanted to get an extra run into him before March.
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how much the fee?
cheers. |
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5k
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@metro john I have seen worst 29.0 shots at least he has won FTO every year but obv this will be his hardest task. I know Sheehan is the regular rider but he rarely rides two races the same and always makes me think twice! Still at 29.0 0n here must be worth £20 to see if the step up to 3 miles brings further improvement. GL.
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I think he will Win and only a complete Mug would put him up as a maximum lay.
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Cyrname for me. The ground looks like being GS at worse which should suit him. Fav no value imo.
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Timeform weight-adjusted ratings:
185 Cyrname 181 Santini 179 Lostintranslation 178 Clan des Obeaux 178 Waiting Patiently 177 Saint Calvados |
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tbf the op is not too far off although i have backed cdo months ago at 11/2 each way also real steel each way at 33s he is not value at the current price of around 7/4 ish .cyrname didnt give his running and the time before he beat an ageing thistlecrack . on the plus side know he will stay and kempton suits .cyrname not 100 % certain to stay and lostintran has questions to answer ,santini could stay on past a lot of the field but not hard to see him off the bridle some way out and this is a bit of an afterthought ,tend to agreewith metrojohn that st calvados could offer value here ,form figs on seasonal debut last 3 seasons ..111 and an unexposed improver who run min close in the ryanaire by saint des saints may improve for the trip and is unexposed and i have had a smallish bet of few quid on each way 20/1 365.
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