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New RTV low latency stream (take 2)
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You need a big dish.
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Big Cat 18 Mar 21 14:38
James, I know about this stuff. You don't. All you do is rubbish this voice who knows how this 'stuff' works. soz jd but have to concur. |
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Pablo, I'd estimate BLV/RTV is about 1s off real-time with some tracks .1 .2 or .3 quicker. Don't know why there's a discrepancy
Add another second for Arena tracks which use HLS for streaming. TRP must have a contractual obligation with a Service Provider that doesn't do WebRTC line Phenix use |
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dog walkers copped the lot at Donny, drone boys at Hexham are the hull crew
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jamesdean 18 Mar 21 14:35
I honestly think you have something to do with it or at least know more than you are letting on. To say it can't be done is absolutely comical I've underlined the word think as not saying you definitely do jd..iyo..where do you think this 'raw rtv' is being sent from? greenteethnarrabacktroutmoy 18 Mar 21 14:39 and btw..ive just spoke to hex owner..100% drone in operation. |
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stayinin 18 Mar 21 14:12
jamesdean18 Mar 21 13:55Joined: 15 Sep 05 | Topic/replies: 19,534 | Blogger: jamesdean's blog how far ahead are the drone pics today at hexam greenie/stayinin? no drone feed track caller there, Betfair live around just over 2 seconds behind give or take don't waste your money playing from live in the last 3 furlongs stayinin 18 Mar 21 14:41 dog walkers copped the lot at Donny, drone boys at Hexham are the hull crew fckin comedy gold from the forum clown. |
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Bigcat, andyl has just told you the raw feeds have been mentioned up to 10 years ago. You might know the tech stuff but I know
the track boys/trading room boys facetimers etc and raw feeds have been mentioned for years greenie, with respect you think you know everything but as said last night are too arrogant to believe if you dont know about anything it doesnt exist We've all seen the raw feed on here ffs, it is not as if it doesnt exist....its been shown in trials and by mistake numerous times over lasy year it is not a myth, youve seen it yourself. Whats worse is we all know it is out there but have people saying it is not being used, give your head a shake |
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Look at RED HARBINGERS PRICE AT 00:20 on the video
PMSL  https://twitter.com/pigeon_hole_/status/1372541377129644036 |
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BigCat....i don't doubt your technical knowledge is superior to all on this thread, but in laymans terms, please could you let us all know why you think rtv is still c1s and not more like 0.5/0.6s which is possible technically (you can facetime the rawfeed at a track can you not).
I'm not doubting your knowledge i just want your opinion why things have not improved?? is this a money or politics issue iyo?? |
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Ultra-low latency can't be achieved over satellite because the feed has a round-trip-return-time (of the order of 200-300ms) and this doesn't include the encode delay. Indeed, the difference between BLV and RTV over the bird is accounted for by adding on the journey through the ether
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Sending the feed on a 20,000 mile round-trip doesn't help much
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i never mentioned anything about satellite, but if i facetimed the raw feed to someone do you agree the delay (to them) would be c0.5s behind live??
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Bigcat, we have all seen a raw rtv lv to near 1 sec ahead of sky tv. Which would be under .5 behind live
Why can something that has been done umpteen times not be repeated? Andy, it is called deflection |
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There will soon be a strange dynamic where half the drone players who were happy to use drones during lockdown will start cursing them when at the track.
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andy..the drone is barely ahead of rtv..
iyo is the drone 1 sec behind live? |
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Someone is at the front end and making money and it won't change anytime soon....
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greenteeth, how would i know i have never ever played a drone feed so it would be impossible to comment.
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andyl 18 Mar 21 14:50
i never mentioned anything about satellite, but if i facetimed the raw feed to someone do you agree the delay (to them) would be c0.5s behind live?? ffs..the latency through good internet is barely 0.1 |
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this is not an issue about drones, it's about why the rtv trial speed promised ie 0.6s behid live has not been implemented successfully
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more clowns in here (most potless or struggling) than a billy smart convention.
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again i ask the ? to BigCat....why do you think this is?? Is it a politics, money, tv rights or technical issue causing or should i suggest preventing this from happening.
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James, as I've said before, I don't have all the answers. I don't know why we get glimpses of slightly less delay (after some races), but there are many factors in play when delivering a service to a wide audience and I don't believe they are 'holding anything back' from us, as such. I just know that they'll have many operational considerations
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itsmeswaddle, see if pigeonhole posts a video of that race hexam, was even worse that the one you posted earlier!
Post it on here if he does please |
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greenteethnarrabacktroutmoy • March 18, 2021 1:53 PM GMT
andyl 18 Mar 21 14:50 i never mentioned anything about satellite, but if i facetimed the raw feed to someone do you agree the delay (to them) would be c0.5s behind live?? ffs..the latency through good internet is barely 0.1 yes i know its a click of fingers, so why is this being made a huge technical issue...if you facetimed the raw feeds from the track would we not have near live pics |
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another loss for the hull drone crew..
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andl, facetime uses technology which will adapt differently to every single conferencing session, based upon the available bandwidth, Round-trip-time and packet loss. So no two sessions will be the same. Depends on the internet at source, destination and path over the net
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ffs..the latency through good internet is barely 0.1
yes i know its a click of fingers, so why is this being made a huge technical issue...if you facetimed the raw feeds from the track would we not have near live pics i mean the drone from a--b etc. |
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greenteethnarrabacktroutmoy18 Mar 21 14:43Joined: 04 Jun 09 | Topic/replies: 3,964 | Blogger: greenteethnarrabacktroutmoy's blog stayinin 18 Mar 21 14:12 jamesdean18 Mar 21 13:55Joined: 15 Sep 05 | Topic/replies: 19,534 | Blogger: jamesdean's blog how far ahead are the drone pics today at hexam greenie/stayinin? no drone feed track caller there, Betfair live around just over 2 seconds behind give or take don't waste your money playing from live in the last 3 furlongs stayinin 18 Mar 21 14:41 dog walkers copped the lot at Donny, drone boys at Hexham are the hull crew mrs dobson told me they turned up after the second race jog on you muppet............ fckin comedy gold from the forum clown |
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yes i believe you but would it not allow faster pics for all than we currently have
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Anyway, need to get my head down now... losing
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how many are winning consistently? imo not many
how many are still trying? all. |
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stayinin 18 Mar 21 14:41
dog walkers copped the lot at Donny, drone boys at Hexham are the hull crew mrs dobson told me they turned up after the second race jog on you muppet............ the drone was there for the 1st race..tell mrs dobson to wake up. |
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jd..iyo..where do you think this 'raw rtv' is being sent from?
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True delay point-to-point, say through the internet, is really low. It may be quite a few hundred ms for cellular stuff but generally it accounts for only a fraction of the delay we experience. If you transfer a large file over a really high bandwidth internet connection, it doesn't transfer instantaneously. There is a lot of 'other stuff' going on to make the transfer work. Same with Video. Packets arrive, must be buffered, must be put back in their original order, video and voice resynched, before being presented to the application. Even then, the app will only play out the service according to a clock which is enforced by the encoding side (not the decoding app). It's complicated stuff
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Hull crew got lost on route
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DX0aOgfyEco |
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greenie use your head, there's only so much one can say on a public forum, you know this, are you trying to get me done
Big Cat • March 18, 2021 1:54 PM GMT James, as I've said before, I don't have all the answers. I don't know why we get glimpses of slightly less delay (after some races), but there are many factors in play when delivering a service to a wide audience and I don't believe they are 'holding anything back' from us, as such. I just know that they'll have many operational considerations You do know they have already admitted they are holding back the faster live video but declined to answer why, dont you? |
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Over the past 6 years, latterly with the
@HbfBritain I've lobbied the industry to provide a low latency stream, to create a level playing field for in running betting. They have failed to do so. Having had access to a drone for a few meetings over the past few weeks, I realise ½ it is now pointless waiting for the day for @RacingTV and @AtTheRaces to provide us with this option. I can now only recommend paying a guy to fly a drone, which will enable us to provide more liquidity into the markets. I would rather pay racing, sadly they don't seem interested this was a statement on twitter from thebootman earlier today who is the originator of this thread. He has basically admitted he has given up The trial app took place a year ago, we were promised faster pics (to c0.6s) yet we are still debating why etc. There has been no formal statement on this subject (apart from wishy washy ones) from Betfair/RUK. So, to reiterate.....why not? |
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rarely swad..rarely
unless you can show me otherwise. |