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No doubt I will get stick only go to 3 courses know
17 days York 15 days Cheltenham 4 days Royal Ascot to tell you the honest truth I have seen many many books with the red lights flashing. |
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Like the guy who bought up the Hills on-course pitches (Sid Hooper ?), I’m sure there will be plenty of opportunities for those
prepared to exercise risk and patience. |
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he's also bought all the ladbrokes and corals pitches too
interesting point being hill and ladbroke , corals said their racecourse pitches were just loss leaders |
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On course bookmakers take the michael these days with their over rounds of 130% in a lot of races throughout the summer meetings. As someone stated above they all go the same prices. Not one of them willing to take a chance. Bookmakers my ass. More like an Accountant or Actuary. Go to Perth and see the prices on offer. The poor holiday makers not having a clue with their £5, £10 & £20 bets.
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I think its that bit that I dislike the most Kriskin, its dishonest practice Imo to be to over 120%.
"Have to pay our expenses" - backward way of thinking, if thats the only way you can make it pay might as well all bet with Fred tote! |
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there must be an unwritten rule, a gentleman's agreement, that they all go the same price. if you need the business you have to either go bigger than the rest, or employ a bikini-clad clerk with massive jugs.
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Dont know what the problem is.
Stay @ home sit on here no overheads/travel/accomodation/staff costs to moan about.no tax bill 10 mins before race stick yer prices up. you will bags more time on yer hands to study and may be take a view. and yer can still lay 1 @ 5/2 and back it back @ 11/4 if yer wish. |
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Hulk, all slaves to the machine.
Cant go bigger, won't make any money when you press the big green button. Dont see how they have a product anymore. There is a tiny bracket Imo for huge punters maybe?/PC payers "The liquid on here is so bad now" If your patient surely you could still get a big bet on without collapsing the price to below what the course bookmaker was offering in the first place, unless its an extremely large one. IE 2k at 5/2 on here. 9/4 with the books. Need to maintain 3.3 or above to be no worse off than the 9/4 you'd receive anyway. You'd get 2k on at 3.5 to 3.3 no dramas, maybe even 5k if you don't lump it all in at once. As for anything more wanting to be punted, maybe there is a market for huge bettors? Not exactly sure of the logistics but is it suicide long term for the books to be putting anything back on here? Realising 2% from the ring every time you do I guess. |
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Geoff I wonder how many are actually fooled that a high % of these folk are bookmakers in a traditional sense?
You have to feel sorry for the small % that actually could formulate a book if this place went dead for a day. |
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Racecourses to waive bookies fees when spectators return.
Greg Wood in The Guardian Newspaper. On-course bookies who have been unable to work since racing resumed behind closed doors in June received some welcome news on Tuesday when Arena Racing Company and Jockey Club Racecourses, which operates 31 tracks, said that it will waive fees for bookies standing at any meeting where spectators are permitted from 2 December until at least the end of 2020. The racing industry has been hit hard by the coronavirus pandemic, initially with a two-and-a-half-month suspension from mid-March and subsequently with the loss of six months of revenue from spectators. No group has suffered more than the on-course bookies, however, with all but a handful having been unable to work at all since mid-March. It will be a long road back for many, not least with attendances at racecourses likely to be restricted for several months to come, but the decision to waive daily fees will at least reduce their overheads and start to revive the betting ring. “This will be hugely appreciated at what is hopefully nearly the end of the worst year ever for on-course bookmakers,” Ben Johnson, a leading ring bookie, said on Tuesday. “We are potentially talking about £80 to £120 savings for a day’s racing which will make a big difference to struggling firms. Every step now is one closer to normality.” Mark Spincer, managing director of Arc’s racing division, said its move was part of the “process of making sure that racing fans and owners can enjoy the experience of coming racing again as soon as possible”. He added: “Equally, we will look at what we can do from January 2021 onwards to work with and support our colleagues in the betting ring.” Racecourse executives spent Tuesday working through some of the detail of the government’s unexpected announcement on Monday that limited crowds will be allowed to return to sporting events from 2 December, and planning for every eventuality when the new tier system for England is announced on Thursday. Racecourses in a tier 1 area will be allowed to admit up to 4,000 spectators or half their capacity, whichever is lower, from next Wednesday, while those located in tier 2 will be allowed 2,000 or half their capacity, again whichever is lower. Racing is scheduled for Haydock Park, Ludlow, Kempton Park and Lingfield Park next Wednesday, while Market Rasen, Wincanton, Leicester and Chelmsford City have meetings the following day. Of those tracks, only Wincanton, Chelmsford City and Lingfield are in local authority areas which recorded fewer than 150 new Covid-19 cases per 100,000 people from 12 to 19 November. Sandown Park, which will stage the Grade One Tingle Creek Chase on 5 December, is also in an area with relatively few cases. The potential return of at least 2,000 spectators at many tracks is a huge boost to the racing industry, alongside confirmation on Monday that betting shops in England can also re-open from next Wednesday, albeit with added restrictions in tier 3 areas including a ban on showing live events and the removal of chairs to stop punters lingering. A time when racegoers can turn up and pay at the gate, however, is still many weeks, and probably months, away. While nothing can be confirmed as yet, tickets for all meetings seem certain to be advance bookings only, with checks on postcodes also likely to deter travel to meetings from tier 3 areas. The “green zone” arrangement which currently separates participants such as trainers and jockeys from owners attending meetings is also likely to remain in place for some time yet, while individual local authorities could also raise objections to planned crowd sizes, or impose restrictions of their own. Doncaster’s pilot scheme for the return of racegoers at its St Leger meeting in September was abandoned after a single afternoon at the insistence of the city’s director of public health, with the Covid-19 infection rate in the local area standing at 10.6 new weekly cases per 100,000 people. |
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The fact that racing/racecourses, that depend on bookmakers as part of the raceday experience have not lifted a finger to provide financial assistance is a disgrace.
loper texted - apology in the post ![]() |
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I agreed with loper in my comments and as a result the racecourses saw sense and decided to help. Well down loper and I'm sure all the bookmakers on here will praise him.
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I MIGHT be wrong but i imagine the people racecoures will be intent on getting back on track 1st are not the ones bookmakers would like back 1st
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I get there is a pecking order with pitch numbers but cant quite get my head around why so many turn up to poor midweek stuff? Yes you pay for a year/10 years or whatever but...
Its in a bookmakers blood they have to go its like a compulsion and a drug most enjoy it and they have a bit of power on that stand like a showman because if they dont go today its the day the first 2 favourites in every race get beat and they cant handle that and more important they really enjoy it |
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know all , it's more in fairness to giving loyal regular staff members a days wage than expecting to make a profit ourselves.
i would be pleased to thank all racecourses for their consideration but i've pencilled in my attendances from now on and expect my first day back in action to be lincoln day , the last saturday in march |
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Ok that’s fair enough but mid week wise that’s like setting a fresh lemonade stall up at the end of your street...employing someone to run it and being loyal to them....and then moaning when the business is not showing a profit because it’s not got enough customers. That’s not saying you personally moan.
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Yes, Sparrow, we seem to have nudged a few elbows.
Even so, giving free entry to the few books that will be allowed on course this year, which is almost over, hardly features as an act of extreme generosity. |
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Don't think it will be worth a bookie going this year unless you enjoy it.
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"said that it will waive fees for bookies standing at any meeting where spectators are permitted from 2 December until at least the end of 2020".
Will need this concession for much of next year. |