Ryan Moore - Will He Ever Learn?

Didn't look a great ride, potentially the best horse finished 2nd.Looks a potential superstar as a 3 year old. 2000gs then Derby, easily within reach then Arc.

‘The worlds greatest jockey’

I doubt the yanks would have him in their top 20.

Agreed sparrow - he’s not even top 20 in Europe tho to be fair....

I think Moore has certainly deteriorated over these past few years.

How he keeps that job at coolmore is a mystery to me.....

Did absolutely nothing wrong and achieved the horses best possible placing. Would never have beaten the winner. By the way there were a dozen other jockeys beaten in the race, I presume they were just unlucky.

FELT FAIR, are you sure you are talking about his ride on Battleground as your comments are way wrong on that ride. I suggest you watch the race a few times over and please come back and then do a race report accurately. Iam sure you will be amazed how poor a ride it was.

oh mother

Same same same again. Explain that one FELT FAIR. OP? answered Ryan will never learn.

Will any statistician tell me if in any of his many races Ryan Moore has ever led in any Breeders cup race? Not having a go or a moan but just wondered as I cant remember any but there must be some?

Replicated his win at Goodwood by not having the pace to compete early on but picked his way through the field to stay on strongly as he did at Goodwood. The winner has won readily by 3L and if anyone thinks that Battleground should have won is deluding themselves.

To be fair nobody would have won on Mother Earth as she just couldn't live with that early speed.

Agree With feltfair, clearly some on here that haven't got a clue.  Ryan Moore Always Getting Sh!t even when he does Not deserve it!

FELT you are talking rubbish. Please listen to Ryan post race victory comments after his win at Goodwood and then come and tell me he didn't make a complete **** up today. Iam quite sure Ryan will be cursing himself to sleep tonight as iam sure he does truly care and wants to win these top races and quite possibly not many more chances in his career.

It's time Aiden came up with another son to replace the present incumbent

Sorry San Quentin you`ll just have to remain in denial.

People on here must be making fortunes laying his rides...?

Ryan had his day in the sun,
Maybe spending too much time with Spencer.
Time waits for no man.
It's win or ur out normally @ AoB.

Take away Love, who anyone should have won on, what has he done this year? Plenty of the bigger O'Brien winners have been ridden by other jockeys.

No excuse if he bombs on Magical. The horse is rated head and shoulders above the rest. And, she's proved she's just as effective being ridden up with the pace as demonstrated against Ghaiyyath.

impossible123, the arch Ryan Moore cyber bully has arrived. It`s a horse race with at least x6 Group 1 winners from America and Europe competing and Magical has had an unbelievably busy season so if she loses it will not be because of the jockey.

I remember Dancing Brave failing in the Breeders Cup and better horses than Magical have met the same fate.

Nov 7, 2020 -- 10:32AM, impossible123 wrote:

No excuse if he bombs on Magical. The horse is rated head and shoulders above the rest. And, she's proved she's just as effective being ridden up with the pace as demonstrated against Ghaiyyath.

Agreed Feltfair, Tarnawa would have won the Arc IMO, I think she'll win and it won't be Moore's fault.

Would he have won on Battleground if he'd been prominent in the running? Perhaps, but I don't think he was massively unlucky, or that Battleground is THAT exciting for next year. I don't see it winning a Guineas.

Is not easy to conclude that he couldn't have gone the pace early as Moore seemed to make little effort to try and get his horse closer. As a result after half a furlong he was shuffled back a little and by the bend he was not in a great position(about 3-4 wide) and about 5-6 lengths off the leader. The leader and the 3rd into the bend were drawn 8 and 7 (Moore drawn 9) and were the eventual 3rd and 1st, Battlegound beaten 3 lengths. Hindsight is 20-20, but I suspect if he had rousted his mount more vigorously out of the stalls he might have been 2-3 lengths closer to the leader around the bend, having a clearer route through and then who knows? I did not have a bet in the race but it does make you wonder how a jockey of his experience would not foresee the problems if he at least didn't make an effort to get closer from the start....

Just have to lay Peaceful.

Feltfair must be a reation, he can see no wrong, Moore has been in decline for ages, he has no idea how to change tactics mid race, he does not seem bothered at all, how he is still in a job even Columbo could not solve

What is a reation please?

Can't you see the more you defend him the more you just embarrass yourself?

Do you do it for a joke?

FELT, FELT, FELT DO YOU,DO YOU, DO YOU?

I am a big fan of all jockeys who risk their lives for our entertainment and that applies to Ryan Moore who for some reason attracts more abuse than any other jockey. Persistent criticism of one individual amounts to bullying after a while and I have always taken a stand against it and even more so these days when mental health is such an important issue.

By the way i am not embarrassed at all.

Total rubbish FELT, in no way is bullying happening here. You sadly are trying to defend the indefensible. Ryan at one time was head and shoulders above the rest, sadly no longer, time catches up with us all. NO WAY HAS/IS ANY BULLYING TAKEN PLACE. Get a grip.

Felt, we  are all big fans of all jockeys but it does not mean we can not pass opinions on without being accused of "BULLYING" Idiot.

FELTFAIR is a timewaster. Best to ignore.

Negativity followed by abuse. Standard behaviour.

impossible123 I` d rather be a timewaster than a serial Ryan Moore cyber bully.

Rubbish again FELT, Ryan for whatever reason has been on a steep decline since R. A. 2017.Totaly mistimed OSG (Ascot Gold Cup) numerous poor rides, ruined Carrivaggio, never been the same since. NO BULLYING ONLY FACTS. Waken up and open your eyes.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but I am baffled as to you continue to defend him

Sorry don`t agree.

Well, I dont agree with you but if that is your opinion, so be it, this forum should be about opinions

How many times do I have to state that persistent and exclusive criticism of the same individual amounts to bullying. I accept people love to criticise but Ryan Moore for whatever reason seems to be singled out constantly on here.

Maybe because he is purported to be the best jockey in the world and many on here do not see that? I do not see any bullying, just people offering their opinions.

Who is "persistently and exclusively criticising" RYANFELT I suggest you leave the forum and no longer post. Sadly you appear to be making a fool of yourself.

i think he has regressed as a rider due to the Coolmore connection. Julian Muscat wrote a very preceptive article last year in which he said that RM is encouraged to "ride for luck". Coolmore have many horses in big races and often can "sacrifice" some to make the pace. RM is no doubt informed of this and rides accordingly. Because so many of their horses improve massively from run to run (as they are bred and trained to) he often gets beat. By them as well as other stables. He has become obsessed with this style of riding. I really do believe that if, for example, he took over from FD at JG's in a year or so, he may improve again and get back to where he was. In the meantime, tbh, I think he is a liability at the odds he rides at.

Thankyou San Quentin for your advice but I will ignore it.

FELT please tell us how he should ride this race then how he will 20.15

2nd again my my my!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

as I said, sometimes the other one wins....

Outridden once again. Finishing like a bullet...for 2nd.

I have always stood up for Ryan but really circus maximus should have won that race

Does anyone think in their right mind that if Moore had been on AOBs other horse it would of won. Moore is the most over rated jockey in the world. I do not understand what trainers/owners see in him. He is clearly just living off past reputation....

No way it would have won if Ryan had been on. FELT it's comments like your's with throw away unsubstantiated remarks made to shut others up which is wrong in our society muppet.

If he screws up on Magical he's finished...with Coolmore for sure. Their partnership cannot withstand another year of underachievement on the track.

perhaps rather then negativity surrounding moore it's better to say that many other jockeys (notably PC) are riding way better than him over past 2-3 years, the out the back and then push/drive for home wide round the bend that occasionally works at sandown when you're on the best by far (usually Stoute handicapper) horse style just doesn't work stateside nor ascot/goodwood etc -

"Fool","Idiot" "Muppet" more abusive comments from San Quentin.

When you have the best breeding, and training establishment and the best horses, you must have the best jockey, unfortunately Ryan is no longer the best jockey.

FELT rubbish again, simply observation and descriptive identification of a betfair forum user named FELT FAIR.

Ryan Moore is still a good jockey but perhaps not as good as at his peak, is probably the way forward?

feltfair.I'm engaging in a debate, not abuse. Please don't get angry. What do you say to my post of 2110?

Please tell us FELT how and should Ryan ride Magical to past the post first. Come on Billy Big Chops we are waiting.

indeed tiger and as a postscript not in the top dozen in the world at the moment imvo

Best system in the world. Never fails. Jockey gets slated and then wins a big one.

MAGICAL (NAP)

Totally agree Tiger and chav on the decline starting June 2017.

Yes, I would go along with that Chav.

Not this time the mightymac lol

Get your Cash on SQ

.. sorry, I couldn`t resist the pun.

Ed the tw*t off ITV will always call this fraud ‘the greatest jockey in the world’. IMO even at his best he was nowhere near anything great - basically he’s better than his brothers and sister and that’s about it. Other than that he’s basically an ‘also ran’ that was totally overrated - nothing more positive than that to say about the bloke.

Lol themightymac

SeeMoreBusiness the abuse is coming from San Quentin not you.

Re your post I neither agree or disagree. Ballydoyle is full of bluebloods and it seems inevitable that the presumed stable number one horse gets turned over from time to time. When betting I focus on the horse not the jockey based on the assumption that the best horse on the day will nearly always win irrespective of the jockey. Obviously in sprint races and on certain tracks e.g Goodwood the best horse does not always win but usually in those circumstances if the horse is good enough gaps will appear allowing the horse to make a winning run.

When watching races I like to see x4 basic elements which are for a horse to settle, travel, quicken and battle and there are few better than Ryan Moore to deliver these especially the battle element.

Generally all jockeys lose over 80% of the time, Frankie being an exception as he picks and chooses when he`s going to ride. Ryan Moore is no exception to the 80% rule but seems to attract more criticism than any other jockey for some reason. At the Breeders Cup Frankie, Oisin Murphy, Colin Keane and lots of top american pilots have ridden and got beaten but not a word. Having said that none of the afore mentioned warrant criticism given that their horses were not good enough on the night.

FELTFAIR 07 Nov 20 20:25 
I am a big fan of all jockeys who risk their lives for our entertainment and that applies to Ryan Moore who for some reason attracts more abuse than any other jockey. Persistent criticism of one individual amounts to bullying after a while and I have always taken a stand against it and even more so these days when mental health is such an important issue.

You think Ryan Moore risks his life for *OUR* entertainment?

Moore became a jockey for many reasons (eg born into a racing family, financial rewards), but I would think "for our entertainment" is some way down *HIS* list, if it is on there at all.

No-one is going to disagree with you that what they do is potentially very dangerous, but that doesn't mean their riding should be exempt from scrutiny or criticism, within reason.

We all have different opinions but I just dont meet many people now who think Moore is elite class anymore.... I cant see AOB sticking with him much longer when he has the pick of pretty much any UK/Irish jockey he wants.

As you get older, everything in the past seems better - Horses, jockeys, trainers, cars, tv programmes, films, music, women, football players, beer, whisky, cigars, etc etc etc.

My advice to Ryan Moore would be this: You need a break. Take a couple of months of and spend time

doing other things . Come back refreshed and it doesn't matter if you've lost the job with 'The Boys'

as you can freelance and maybe start to enjoy racing again instead of it being a chore.

LOL FELT very very silly small minded clown. I will repeat no abuse purely observations and descriptions. Silly Silly FELT. Ryan sadly has declined as do all top sportsmen/women.

roggrain well said, clear and concise thoughts.

fair play Feltfair. Thanks for the response. I think there are few jockeys that I am sure can improve a horses chances. RM isn't one of them these days sadly at the odds (not his fault of course) Mostly it's just the horse, ground, distance and draw. I am biased towards jockeys with a little more tactical awareness than RM. I think he has become one dimensional. He's not the only one of course. But, hey ho. I do think he'd benefit from a change though. I think his absence from Ireland for unfortunate reasons has changed things. It may be that Keane will usurp him in time. I think he'd be better if he were doing a Frankie and riding every Pancake Tuesday on good Gosden things. We'll see. Good luck

San Quentin. Thanks. Maybe I should drink a half dozen Margaritas more often before posting on here

or ,for that matter, making my selections!

Or just pack it in. He's lost the mojo for the game.

Keep the abuse coming San Quentin.

Lol Have a good Sleep FELT and don't let the bed bugs bite. Nighty nite.

Nope