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11 Sep 20 16:20
Date Joined: 26 Jun 10
| Topic/replies: 147 | Blogger: candy1's blog
FFS 24 losers on the trott .....24 points down since end of August  @ £50 a point and this is the “ brains trust” ........
Maybe I ain’t as bad at picking horses as I thought   ..... expensive way to tell you .....“do your own homework  and live & die with such “ .
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Report howard September 11, 2020 4:31 PM BST
Have they got anyone under 30 picking the selections ?
Report dave1357 September 11, 2020 4:35 PM BST
Successful gamblers and unsuccessful gamblers will have shockingly bad runs and amazing good runs.  Simply looking at a bad run says nothing.
Report themightymac September 11, 2020 4:46 PM BST
Correct Dave. Bad runs last 6 weeks, good runs 6 hours.

That is the nature of the game.

You can be the greatest form student in the world but if you don`t have inside stable information you will struggle.
Report ronnie rails September 11, 2020 4:53 PM BST
talking to a guy a couple of weeks about good judges
his answer was the best judges are the ones with the best marked card end of.
hope you are well
Report grayhawk September 11, 2020 4:55 PM BST
Gotta disagree STRONGLY with your last line Mightymac....stable information matters not for the majority - not being able to get the prices available to anyone bar losers and the media is the problem.
Report themightymac September 11, 2020 5:02 PM BST
Very true ronnie and grayhawk, I agree in general, but at the end of the day, if the stable is not on and have something planned down the line, it will not win regardless of how good a judge one is.

Thanks Ronnie, hope you are well too mate. Stay safe.
Report themightymac September 11, 2020 5:07 PM BST
Regards Jury Service, one knows when they are on a good run when their adverts reappear in the Post, when on a bad run, they disappear.
Report onlooker September 11, 2020 5:16 PM BST
howard 11 Sep 20 16:31 

Have they got anyone under 30 picking the selections ?

Did not - or rather, surely -  you meant OVER  30.
Report i_agree_with_nick September 11, 2020 5:33 PM BST
Don't their selections shorten significantly after they're released?  Or maybe not when on a losing run?
Report top2rated September 11, 2020 7:02 PM BST
Report candy1 September 11, 2020 8:16 PM BST
Recently their selections shorten when you get the info around 9.30 am but the majority ( recently) go back to original price after a few hours .
Report candy1 September 11, 2020 8:20 PM BST
The majority of punters can’t get access to stable information or shutdown I say the information they don’t want the public to have access me thinks the only way to make this bloody game pay is hard work, hard work and Even more hard work !
Report candy1 September 15, 2020 9:48 AM BST
FFS....It is now over 30 continuous losing bets ....that is some serous ****-up by so called experts....Phill Bull will be spinning in his grave
Report loper September 15, 2020 12:56 PM BST
If you have any experience of horseracing and betting then Timeform will not employ you.

They take graduates straight out of university with no ingrained opinion or knowledge of betting and mold them to their own strict philosophy.

Hence no clue and no feel for the subject. HTHs.
Report candy1 September 19, 2020 10:28 PM BST
Well guys .....since 22/8/20 up until today .....The Brains Trust results are as :
8 days with No Bets given and 32 days with Bets Given .... Number of Winners ...Nil, Unbelievable !!!
Report GAZO September 20, 2020 9:08 AM BST
phil bull would be telling them this is how i coped when this happened to me
Report lead on September 20, 2020 2:33 PM BST
How do they make money?..surely anyone paying £5 a day for the opportunity to back 32+ losers @ £50 a time must be ready to give up on them...not much enjoyment from betting like that at the best of times but must be pure misery during a run like this.I still buy the Horses to Follow books which are a good read to start the season and this flat season have had a few decent priced winners...not usually the case.
My main concern is how can Timeform retain their reputation when they are owned by Paddypower Betfair...
Report steerforth September 20, 2020 3:51 PM BST
Jury has had 12 consecutive winning years and is just starting out on year 13. At least the results are there to be read on a publicly accessible platform. They don't hide. There are some horrendous losing runs to be found in that portfolio and they're a fact of life of betting on racehorses. That said, the betfair/PP ownership is a worry for the longer term.
The anti timeform brigade on here seem to think it can only be judged as a tipping service. It's primarily a form book. Race Passes is on the whole a decent service, and it's up to the user to form opinions and read the context of the comments. You might watch a race and agree or disagree with their views, but any experienced punter will quickly get used to their style and that's what's important in making consistent decicions.
As a rule, their insight is an excellent platform from which to analyse a race. The only better one I can think of is to watch every horse in every race, and that's impossible. The proceess is to use the race pass to look for an angle, single out the relavent replays, verify or reject, and decide how to play it. Works for me.
Report i_agree_with_nick September 20, 2020 4:33 PM BST
Only looked at the selections for the previous two years but they had a run of 31 consecutive losers during April 2019.
Report steerforth September 20, 2020 5:13 PM BST
Also - the ratings are an opinion. There is no logical reason to think that TF ratings should outperform the official handicapper's view. So selling the service on ratings is a little misleading, although they can be helpful when the BHA hasn't allotted a mark, but of course more likely to be inaccurate in those circumstances). For handicaps there is nothing to be gained, it's the comments you need to be reading. The analysis in race passes goes farther than the free summaries on various web sites, and are given for every race so context can be be deduced.
Report kenny mann September 22, 2020 6:33 PM BST
how's it going in Sept. Theie spreadsheet has not been updated since 31st Aug. I rejoin from 1st Nov.
Report kenny mann September 22, 2020 6:44 PM BST
just read candy's posts, still to break the losing run. Maybe 1st Nov a good time to rejoin as I have.
Report candy1 September 25, 2020 1:12 PM BST
Well lads the last time the brains trust tipped a winner was on the 22nd August 2020 between giving you “no bets today “ and tipping many losers it ain’t been a good month and a bit so far ....unless you are a Bookie !!
Some bad luck has been prevalent they tipped one ( had £ 50 on it ) and the flipping  jockey fell off it coming out the stalls really couldn’t make it up .....The next time it ran , they didn’t tip and yes you guessed it hosed up ....No , I also didn’t back it grrrrrrrrr.
To be fair when you phone them  after  9.30 am ....I do believe they are suffering as well when listening to the message .
With regards the prices the tipped horses shorten a bit but usually go out in the betting later on .
No Bet today thank God will have saved at least £50 !
All the best !
Report duncan idaho September 25, 2020 2:43 PM BST
double yer steaks..they're due  Cool
Report candy1 September 25, 2020 8:43 PM BST
Not brave enough Duncan ...50 is more than enough for one point for me ....if they say two points ( which they very rarely do ) then it will be two x .£50.
You may think I am daft but I am going to buy another 3 months ( Oct - end of Dec ) and that will prove one way or another if they are reputable,...Timeform is but are they ???
Phill Bull was totally let the young crowd prove they are off the same stock or maybe not ( it is in their hands & yours , Simon ).
Well guys I hope you all have a successful punting weekend in these terrible ( Covid ) times ...cheers.....will keep you updated .
Report chavman September 25, 2020 8:56 PM BST
martingale max bet till skint
Report Trusty September 25, 2020 8:58 PM BST
3pt win Ghosen tomorrow 3.45 Haydock
Report candy1 September 25, 2020 9:01 PM BST
I hope Simon from Timeform is reading this ...I can understand that they are now terrified about tipping a horse to win given their recent record ......
OK we know that but let’s get back to basics guys are at TF because you are better than the average punter (:if not I would be working for them even at age 68 ); stop being frightened and let the juices flow ...stop holding them back Simon ....come on you just need a couple of winners let’s get It sorted ... Be brave and believe in yourself .....good luck !!!
Report brigust1 September 26, 2020 9:20 AM BST
Using one source of information is really risky. Timeform are great for compiling all the information you require but the final decision must be yours.
Choose the type of race you prefer to bet in, I never bet in handicaps, gather as much information as you can and watch replays if you need confirmation then make a decision. You usually only get out of something comparable to what you put in. Never be afraid of betting more than one horse in a race and remember winning, making a profit, is the aim and not trying to be clever.
Report contrary45 September 26, 2020 11:05 AM BST
agree with brigust1 100%. Not only choose the type but also the class and field size. I stick to Class 1+2,3yos and over in fields of 10 or more. Still have losing runs but not swamped with hundreds of races and have time for family and other things in my life.
Report candy1 September 26, 2020 6:14 PM BST
Me thinks Bigrust is a very, very clever punter ....... Well another loser lads by the Brain Trust ( Renaissance Rose ) to be fair when they handed out the tip they weren’t to know the horse was drawn on the wrong side , the joys of flat racing ...not !
Another 50 reduces one off my many online accounts ....roll on the National Hunt , the real racing !
Report candy1 September 28, 2020 11:20 AM BST
Update ......No Bet today 28/8/20  ....and still zero winners from the Brains Trust.
Report metro john September 28, 2020 11:24 AM BST
Opening post, no one can withstand 24 loses, good post.
Report candy1 September 30, 2020 3:43 PM BST
Well Lads .........
The brains trust have not given a winner since the 22/8/20 so zero winners in the full month of September.
Apart from the days they  gave out  “ no bets” .....41 points was advised to bet on these numerous loser’s  ( @ £50 a point....ouch ! ) truly beggars belief and Yes, I am talking through my empty pocket.
On reflection I will not now be continuing with the Jury Service and I can’t imagine I will be the last client .
Report themightymac September 30, 2020 4:00 PM BST
That is very bad Candy Man. I think their advisers should be in front of a Jury.
Report Tattcorner September 30, 2020 4:06 PM BST
...and even though they had 5 winners in August, it was a losing month as well candy?

I'm sure they used to update more regularly - 31st August last entry.
Report clayfield1 September 30, 2020 5:23 PM BST
Tried them a few years ago, total rubbish, as some one else has said Phil Bull must be turning in his grave with these clowns running the show.
Report clayfield1 September 30, 2020 5:27 PM BST
Found that the only tend to update web site when they have a winner, Only think I can say in there favour is that all bets are shown on the web site even if as I said they are a little lax at updating.
Report kenny mann September 30, 2020 5:54 PM BST
well i rejoin tomorrow, how lucky is that? I smell a lot of winners, brand new phone number too after 15 years or more.
Report onlooker September 30, 2020 5:58 PM BST
candy1 25 Sep 20 21:01 

OK we know that but let’s get back to basics guys are at TF because you are better than the average punter

Not necessarily so.

One could envisage the latter/modern day job interview at Timeform to be along the following academically  influenced LINES

1.  'Which University did you attend?

2. What degree did you attain'?

3 - from Simon Rowlands - 'Are you au fait with, and an enthusiastic follower of Speed Figures?

The above - Far from being the utopian requirements or profile of an astute Punter.
Report punts September 30, 2020 6:17 PM BST
dont bother!
Report clayfield1 October 1, 2020 12:13 PM BST
kenny, All I can say is your a gluten for punishment, but good luck with  your betting and I hope that the tide turns soon for you.
Report duncan idaho October 1, 2020 12:30 PM BST
gluten  Laugh
Report candy1 October 1, 2020 1:34 PM BST
MightyMac.....think their advisers should be on the dole !
Report wondersobright October 1, 2020 1:40 PM BST
Laugh dunc
Report Tattcorner October 1, 2020 6:09 PM BST
Now updated.....

Jury to date +879.48 points
Total staked 7,078.5 points (equivalent to 12.42% return on stakes)
Jury in Year 13 (This year)  -32.50 points (-100% return on stakes)
Jury in October -1.50 points

Date Adv Course Selection . Stake Bet Price Adv SP W/L Return Adv Return SP
01/09/2020 Ripon MIKMAK 1 win 10/1 10/1 L -1.00 -1.00
01/09/2020 Kempton Park IMPATIENT 1 win 12/1 7/1 L -1.00 -1.00
01/09/2020 Kempton Park BATCHELOR BOY 1 win 17/2 11/2 L -1.00 -1.00
02/09/2020 Lingfield Park LITTLE BECKY 1 win 7/2 11/2 L -1.00 -1.00
03/09/2020 Chelmsford NEVER DARK 1 win 7/2 11/4 L -1.00 -1.00
03/09/2020 Chelmsford JUSTIFIED 1 win 7/2 7/2 L -1.00 -1.00
04/09/2020 Haydock Park DARK LOCHANGAR 1 win 11/2 4/1 L -1.00 -1.00
05/09/2020 Kempton Park ROMMEL 1 win 8/1 11/1 L -1.00 -1.00
05/09/2020 Ascot WILLIE JOHN 1 win 8/1 7/1 L -1.00 -1.00
05/09/2020 Stratford-On-Avon EL BORRACHO 1 win 5/1 2/1 L -1.00 -1.00
08/09/2020 Newcastle REDZONE 1 win 7/2 9/2 L -1.00 -1.00
09/09/2020 Kempton Park JOSEPHINE 1 win 10/3 4/1 L -1.00 -1.00
09/09/2020 Wolverhampton COLORADO 1 win 10/1 11/2 L -1.00 -1.00
10/09/2020 Chepstow VIVACIOUS BOY 1 win 3/1 11/4 L -1.00 -1.00
11/092020 Sandown Park CAMPARI 1 win 6/1 17/2 L -1.00 -1.00
11/09/2020 Sandown Park EBURY 1 win 11/2 9/2 L -1.00 -1.00
12/09/2020 Lingfield Park HICONIC 2 win 9/4 11/10 L -2.00 -2.00
12/09/2020 Lingfield Park REASSURE 1 win 7/1 15/2 L -1.00 -1.00
13/09/2020 Curragh MAGIC WAND 1 win 11/4 9/4 L -1.00 -1.00
17/09/2020 Chelmsford HOTALENA 1 win 11/2 9/2 L -1.00 -1.00
19/09/2020 Newmarket KEPALA 1 win 5/1 4/1 L -1.00 -1.00
20/09/2020 Plumpton EASTER ERIC 1 win 6/1 7/2 L -1.00 -1.00
22/09/2020 Warwick FALCON SUN 1 win 3/1 5/2 L -1.00 -1.00
23/09/2020 Kempton Park LORDSBRIDGE BOY 1 win 7/2 9/2 L -1.00 -1.00
24/09/2020 Kempton Park TOP SECRET 1 win 9/2 4/1 L -1.00 -1.00
26/09/2020 Newmarket RENAISSANCE ROSE 1 win 9/2 9/4 L -1.00 -1.00
27/09/2020 Chester WAR GLORY 1 win 15/2 13/2 L -1.00 -1.00
29/09/2020 Sedgefield TO FLY FREE 2 win 9/4 15/8 L -2.00 -2.00
30/09/2020 Huntingdon JETSTREAM 1 win 9/1 7/1 L -1.00 -1.00
01/10/2020 Warwick BOOTLEGGER 1 win 9/2 5/2 L -1.00 -1.00
01/10/2020 Ffos Las MARCH IS ON 0.5 win 16/1 11/1 L -0.50 -0.50
Report i_agree_with_nick October 1, 2020 6:17 PM BST
These losing runs are inevitable.

If you toss a coin 1,000 times, the longest expected run of consecutive heads is 12.
Report kenny mann October 3, 2020 3:05 PM BST
a winner 6/1, about 40p r4 though. sp 15/8
Report kenny mann October 29, 2020 8:48 PM GMT
they've picked up nicely this month as I suggested they might on 30/9. About 20 points up, over 30 in the unlikely event you have bog. Still work to do.
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