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06 Sep 20
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if you fancy 4 horses all to win
is there a better bet than the yankee if 1 or 2 of them don't win?
not talking e/w either
is there a better bet than the yankee if 1 or 2 of them don't win?
not talking e/w either
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First one loses - you lose 7 of your 11 steaks.
Just leave out the loser and do a Trixie imo  |
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lucky 15 with treble the odds 1 winner.
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This is an interesting question. If you have a positive expectation for all selections you would get a higher return long term by putting on a £100 4-fold than four £25 singles. But the 4-fold would have much higher variance so you would have to put less on than the singles to maximize return while avoiding going broke.
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Using Kelly staking, if you had a £1000 bank and found four 4/5 shots that were actually priced at evens, you could put £34 on the 4-fold but £100 oneach of the 4 singles. So just on that the singles would be better for long term return (although there are complicating factors like fluctuating bankroll).
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Trixie could be the way forward then, strengthens the outcome by removing a variable
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only just thought of this having read this thread and have never tried it but using the same 4 selections but the emphasis on the strongest 2 or 3 selections, maybe divide the selections and stake into not one but 3 trixies and a 4 timer, would be 13 bets instead of 11 but probably won't lose as many bets by the 1st one losing.
I may have confused myself here but will give it a go when fancying 4 next time  |
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As the first response on this Thread indicates ...
Is there a WORSE bet than a yankee? - 'One Loser = 7 Losing Bets' ------------ Well - perhaps ... A Patent - On short Odds shots - Where a 2/1 single Winner only covers the other 2 Losing Singles ... Any price Less = Overal Loss - just on the Singles. Worst still - an Each-Way Patent - with only One Placed ... Needs that Placed horse to start at 25/1 (Fifth odds a Place) for that Placed horse to cover the Losing Win part, and the other 2 Unplaced Singles. |
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Agree with Ashleigh
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The prob with the L15 is that it overstakes same bets relative to others. Probably the optimum bet if you have 4 ev+ runners is a L15 with bonus plus additional bets on top to correctly stake the rest of the combos and singles.
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*overstakes some bets
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Liverpool Round The Clock Double out Stakes is the best value bet if all three win.
13 Bets £1 RTC/DOS, costs £13 1 winner £3 win minus £6 2 winners 2 x £5 wins, £1 double. minus £12 3 winners 3 x £7 wins, 3 x £3 doubles, £1 treble. minus £18 |
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why not just do 6 e/w doubles and one e/w four-timer!
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you'd be gutted if you have 3 winners and one unplaced !
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My fav is 10 £2 trebles and £1 acca. 11 bets. 5 selections. One treble will usually show a profit unless Odds on. If you are lucky enough to get all then boom !!! Once had 5 winners around 3/1 and I picked up a few thousand quid.....can't remember exactly, was a long time ago !
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ew trixie.
Nap Nb Treble Lovely bet. |
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Yankees and all other multis are for dreamers. Bookies take them all day long. Hard enough to pick one winner. Single bets at level stakes and you might show a profit.
..... in fact, all ask yourself a question. How many Yankee bets have you had during a lifetime gambling? Exactly. Case closed. |
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*How many Yankee bets have you had during a lifetime gambling where all 4 WON?
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i personally think a patent is the best value multi,although if you can get a 3x one winner L15 you cant go wrong.
all personal opinion though,everybody has a different view. |
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trixie is better than a patent, are you unable to bet singles and are that desperate to have a single in a multi bet ?!
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Any bet where you get a winner and no pay out is not for me!
George B proved (several times) that backing horses at a price can pay off for a Lucky bet. I think shorties are no good. You can have two 2/1 winners and not win a penny, or lose money. |
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so youre now betting for me then?
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i concur with s.kenbo (the s stands for sage)
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It’s actually ‘strange’!
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whatever your stake, be it 10p a pound or a fiver etc, when betting a multiple, you are hoping for more than one winner, what is the point of adding singles to a multiple bet ?!
answer is none ! |
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A 10/1 winner on a yankee pays zero.
A 10/1 winner on a Lucky 15 pays thirty-one. You do the math!! |
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The only multiple bet I'd entertain is a Trixie. Having trouble finding one winner at present.
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Tyred of poasting this:
If they go to the trouble of printing a special pretty ticket for it - it is generally a mugs bet (with the possible exception of treble odds one winner on a L15). HTH AGAIN!! |
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Lucky 15s better than a yankee,just my
view.Even with no bonus on 1 winner you get some back. |
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You don't make selections to fill a pre-determined bet type (unless you're a mug). You make your selection(s) and then determine your bet(s) considering the price(s) and shape of the race(s).
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TM, that’s pretty solid logic.
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six_six_six06 Sep 20 17:19Joined: 14 Apr 07 | Topic/replies: 211 | Blogger: six_six_six's blog
You don't make selections to fill a pre-determined bet type (unless you're a mug). You make your selection(s) and then determine your bet(s) considering the price(s) and shape of the race(s). But if you do end up with 8 selections - obviously an Each Way Union Jack Patent is the way to go!    |
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before,a L15 was called a Yap.
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If you have 8 selections you are probably not being selective enough! Mind you if they were all 25s+ I might consider an ew goliath! (I don't think they do lucky 255s do they?)
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Remember having a chat with a friendly/talkative trainee cashier (back in the days when they used to train them!) - a mystery (never before seen punter) had done a £247 Goliath (£1 stake) and this young lad (fresh back from a bet settling course in Weston-Super-Mare) was showing off to me how much this "mug" had lost after his first selection finished third.
Asked him the next day how it turned out - the "mug" had five winners and took them for £7k Still a mug bet though imo! |
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no doubt some people specailise in them,
thats their bet.Each to their own. |
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Makes no sense to have the same stake on the 4/1 single as you do on the 250,000/1 accumulator.
Write your selections on a slip, number them, and write your own staking plan at the bottom. Shape your stakes around the prices, or your differing confidence in the selections, or both. |
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You don't want to be wasting money on singles in these multiples for starters, I never do the named multiple bets, rather just do doubles, trebles etc and adjust stakes to suit.
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Win Patent is the way to go
11 bets on doubles, treble and accumulator |
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^ Err ...
That's a YANKEE - Not a "Patent" - and - as I posted earlier - A Patent is the worst value bet. |