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Report HappyHibby October 16, 2020 4:14 PM BST
tens of thousands bet on here and don't bet in running...?

and they need ATR BLV or they wouldn't bet...???

my god i've heard it all now...

are these tens of thousands on holidat just now...?

matched amounts are at pathetic levels...

and i'm told tens of thousands are betting...

dear oh dear oh dear.
Report dustybin October 16, 2020 4:14 PM BST
It would be interesting to hear whether bf condone IR betting or just see it as an inconvienience and have to offer it as a natural end from Pr-off bets.
Because their stance suggests so, but collecting 40-60% of PC of IR bets must be a little moreish for corporation betfair do you not think?
Report pablo-fanque October 16, 2020 4:15 PM BST
but that 'thousands' thingy is complete poppyc0ck imv

can you explain ?

i think we may have wires crossed .

i am saying thousands , even 10s of thousands will bet pre race on sportsbook or exchange and not bet in running . far more bet pre race compared to in running

as an example, there was 100k matched in running at the last race at redcar . that's £50,000

that's 5000 people betting £10 each in running , or 500 betting £100 a race

Crazy
Report jamesdean October 16, 2020 4:18 PM BST
fakenham ok here, first race that has been all day
Report system99 October 16, 2020 4:19 PM BST
type betfair into a search engine likely first link will be the sportsbook, 20 years in they still have a 2 bit actor trying to explain how the exchange works in a abc i an very dumb format
Report HappyHibby October 16, 2020 4:24 PM BST
no wires crossed pablo...

thousands / tens of thousands betting on here (non in-running punters) just doesn't wash with me i'm afraid...

i have no proof..

i just don't see it i'm afraid.

i know in-running is small-fry compared to the overall betting picture...

and i know another thing...

it is on the verge of collapse thanx to pathetic pictures from suppliers making it not worth peoples while to waste their time anymore...

which will lead to it's death sooner rather than later...

which is probably the aim of some and always has been.
Report Wesdag October 16, 2020 4:26 PM BST
why kill off IR HH?

isn't that just leaving money on the table?
Report pablo-fanque October 16, 2020 4:29 PM BST
betfair have over 4 million registered users , over 1 million active users . if only 2% bet on horse racing that's 20,000 people

hibby , either way , we all agree that ATR are vile and no good for betfair or us . but it seems we and betfair can't do anything about it .

thank goodness RUK got the irish and are at least trying to improve things

good luck today
Report HappyHibby October 16, 2020 4:34 PM BST
aye no probs pablo...

just can't see this 'tens of thousands' thing at all tbh....

last time i walked in to a bookie (to use the loo) it was one man and his dog stuff...

to think they have all left the high street and are now using Betfair is something i cannot comprehend tbh...

but like i say i have no proof so no point arguing about it.
Report HappyHibby October 16, 2020 4:35 PM BST
you've lost me there Wesdag...

what's your Q...??
Report jamesdean October 16, 2020 4:36 PM BST
Sedgfield (think was sedgfield, maybe hexam) the other week, perfect on lv all day, we all thought it was fixed, different format etc

never to be seen that format that worked, since

it's there for them if they wanted to fix
Report dustybin October 16, 2020 4:36 PM BST
IR has historically amounted to around 20% of total matched bets, its hardly inconsequential.
Taking 40-60% of that money every week while defering responsibility for the disparity in picture just seems a touch duplicitous.
Report HappyHibby October 16, 2020 4:37 PM BST
pablo...

you must agree alot of pre-race activity is down to BOTFAIR...???

anytime i look at a market at say 11am there is hardly anything matched and liquidity is utterly shocking...

i just don't get the 'tens of thousands' thingy at all...

but i'll leave it there.
Report HappyHibby October 16, 2020 4:41 PM BST
was definitely Sedgefield james.
Report pablo-fanque October 16, 2020 4:41 PM BST
you must agree alot of pre-race activity is down to BOTFAIR...???

yes hibby, that and other bots . also in play
Report Wesdag October 16, 2020 4:42 PM BST

Oct 16, 2020 -- 4:35PM, HappyHibby wrote:


you've lost me there Wesdag...what's your Q...??


You suggest that BF is trying to kill of IR correct?

Why would any business kill off an income stream?

Report HappyHibby October 16, 2020 4:44 PM BST
wasn't suggesting BETFAIR was trying to do that Wesdag...
Report Wesdag October 16, 2020 4:46 PM BST
ok, you just referred to "some" so wasn't very clear
Report HappyHibby October 16, 2020 4:49 PM BST
no problem.
Report dustybin October 16, 2020 5:03 PM BST
newc runs ok till they come off the bend...
then it just falls apart
It just never gets any better
Report HappyHibby October 16, 2020 5:08 PM BST
pause / splutter / stutter man doing a double shift today...
Report stewarty b October 16, 2020 5:23 PM BST
Hibby, I'm only guessing here but how many punters use LV for IR. At a guess I would say 5% or less. Would you say it's more just as a matter of interest? (I may be wide of the mark I may add because I for one cannot bet IR using LV?)
Report Wesdag October 16, 2020 5:27 PM BST
maybe you could start a survey thread asking that question?
Report duffy October 16, 2020 5:28 PM BST
duffy 10 Sep 20 15:34 
But whilst it doesn't work for I/R players it still works if you aren't bothered about I/R and are happy just to watch the race on a lower setting.

There must be a large amount of people who Betfair have seen an uptick in doing this which is why "in their eyes" there is little incentive to sort it out when only us I/R minority are affected by it, that's what I suspect anyway.


Pablo is right, been saying it all along.
Report stewarty b October 16, 2020 5:31 PM BST
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maybe you could start a survey thread asking that question?




Why would I do that? I'm just stating that if I place a bet IR on LV the picture disappears. Probably different for others hence the question.
Report HappyHibby October 16, 2020 5:32 PM BST
way more than 5% i'd say stewart...

no idea what the figure is but i'd be astonished if it was that low...
Report duffy October 16, 2020 5:33 PM BST
And the faster pics tomoz that we're all looking forward to will only be of any use if the platform can deliver them, if we have the same set up as we do now why will the minimum setting suddenly work?

or is it going to be a new set up altogether ?
Report Wesdag October 16, 2020 5:34 PM BST

Oct 16, 2020 -- 5:31PM, stewarty b wrote:


WesdagDate Joined: 05 Aug 09Blogger: Wesdag's blogAdd contact | Send message16 Oct 20 17:27Joined: 05 Aug 09 | Topic/replies: 15,930 | Blogger: Wesdag's blogmaybe you could start a survey thread asking that question?Why would I do that? I'm just stating that if I place a bet IR on LV the picture disappears. Probably different for others hence the question.


Gee, wasn't having a dig.

Was only a suggestion. Might just do it myself.

Report HappyHibby October 16, 2020 5:34 PM BST
I'm just stating that if I place a bet IR on LV the picture disappears.

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first i've ever heard of that one stewart.
Report HappyHibby October 16, 2020 5:35 PM BST
And the faster pics tomoz that we're all looking forward to will only be of any use if the platform can deliver them, if we have the same set up as we do now why will the minimum setting suddenly work?

or is it going to be a new set up altogether ?

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nowt new about it duffy...

we are getting the RTV feed..

and by the look of things over the last two days it is slow...

very slow if you ask me.
Report stewarty b October 16, 2020 5:42 PM BST
Hibby, my laptop is about 12 years old and that may be the problem but I can assure you if I stick a score or any amount on a horse IR on LV the picture disappears behind the screen.
Report HappyHibby October 16, 2020 5:45 PM BST
never heard that before stewart...

does your LV show as a popup...?

if so then just click on the LV thingy at the bottom of the screen to get it back...
Report duffy October 16, 2020 5:46 PM BST
Yes deffo slow agreed
Report stewarty b October 16, 2020 5:50 PM BST
Not sure Hibby. Techy clueless here and that's not going to change sadly. Anyways I very rarely bet IR but can see the frustration for those that do.
Report HappyHibby October 16, 2020 5:50 PM BST
duffy...

we're now being told RTV BLV is 0.9 secs behind 'live'...

what's your view...?

personally i think it's nearer 9 secs than 0.9 secs.
Report HappyHibby October 16, 2020 5:51 PM BST
very much so stewart.
Report duffy October 16, 2020 5:56 PM BST
I've thought over the past week or so it has slowed and today the rtv sky comms itself is slightly ahead of the lv itself.

Some of the prices have gone very low too soon, we've all noticed that when it just "feels" wrong and lately that has been happening too often.
Report HappyHibby October 16, 2020 6:00 PM BST
chelmsford last night RTV BLV was level with ch426...

haydock today RTV BLV was behind ch426...

those two are facts..

and i've been feeling for a while that RTV in general was being slowed down so they could come out one day soon and say how wonderful they are coz they've speeded up RTV BLV when in fact nothing of the sort has happened...

i might be wrong tho of course...

just a feeling i've had for a while now.
Report Latalomne October 16, 2020 7:04 PM BST
I've purposely stayed away this week, electing to do the snooker instead, after getting incredibly frustrated with it last week.

Interestingly, there are similar stop-start issues with the BFLV product there.  When you first click on it, it's several seconds ahead of Eurosport, but after a few mins it's virtual parity...  There must be all of 10 of us (at most) watching that here.
Report HappyHibby October 16, 2020 7:14 PM BST
it'll be a covid 19 issue Latalomne...

that's the convenient excuse for every 'issue' these days.
Report gerard October 19, 2020 1:28 PM BST
Windsor awful (helpful to keep it all on this thread rather than lots of new ones imo)....
Report system99 October 19, 2020 1:33 PM BST
WALOFS....
Report Jumping-cuckoo-monk October 19, 2020 1:37 PM BST
Windsor is always sh1te.

Minimum latency is as jumpy as my name

Low latency is smoother but prices are gone before you can catch them

Normal latency means the suspend banner comes up on betfair before we see them cross the finish line so god knows how far behind the 'live' pics are
on that setting
Report 11kv October 19, 2020 1:37 PM BST
It wont change gerard Sky more interested in Box Office PPV ,that will be the next offering if you want it to work you will have to pay a premium....
Report system99 October 19, 2020 2:08 PM BST
Hope every1 got their wages, no doubt that was the one decent race a meet finished
Report stridingedge October 19, 2020 2:15 PM BST
Plumpton superb there.
Report Latalomne October 19, 2020 2:16 PM BST
WALOFS.  Boy did I not miss that last week.
Report Jumping-cuckoo-monk October 19, 2020 2:16 PM BST
I think I've had the worst ever there at Plump

On middle setting (low) it was shocking. Benny Hill would've been proud.

The more I moan, the worse it gets
Report system99 October 19, 2020 2:16 PM BST
ExcitedDevilExcited
Report system99 October 19, 2020 3:48 PM BST
really is getting stupid now
Report Latalomne October 19, 2020 4:43 PM BST
WALOTUFS
Report Latalomne October 19, 2020 4:48 PM BST
Worst one ever for me.  Not just the odd bit stutterage, but full-on black screen stops every tenth second or so....  Disgraceful.
Report pablo-fanque October 19, 2020 4:49 PM BST
WALOTUFS

lol latalomne
Report Latalomne October 19, 2020 4:54 PM BST
Sometimes accepted acronyms just don't cut it, PF!
Report Wesdag October 19, 2020 5:02 PM BST
as bad as i can remember for ages

even cutting out on normal setting for both Plumpton & Windsor
Report Wesdag October 19, 2020 5:03 PM BST
now Wolves joins the party

Cry
Report jamesdean October 19, 2020 5:05 PM BST
Frow 1.02 in about 5th, 3l off the leaders 5pm wolver Laugh
Report HappyHibby October 19, 2020 5:21 PM BST
Wolves has been hideously slow for ages imv james....

3,4,5,6 secs behind live...

take your pick.
Report HappyHibby October 19, 2020 5:22 PM BST
another one of those blatantly obvious people are playing at the track tracks imv...
Report jamesdean October 19, 2020 5:23 PM BST
oh without a doubt hibby, theres a few playing there alright

prices are crazy
Report HappyHibby October 19, 2020 5:24 PM BST
Naas another blatant one james...
Report Latalomne October 19, 2020 5:38 PM BST

Oct 19, 2020 -- 5:05PM, jamesdean wrote:


Frow 1.02 in about 5th, 3l off the leaders 5pm wolver


That was the sort of one that was ripe for a GPS-based play.  It must have been going twice as fast as everything else virtually in the final furlong and a half.

Report jamesdean October 19, 2020 5:46 PM BST
it was probably level with the other horses for the track players when it was in 5th on lv
Report HappyHibby October 19, 2020 5:52 PM BST
half a length in front i reckon james...

these pics are a million miles slow...

it's a farce really.

people playing watching raw pics...

absolutely no doubt in my mind.
Report Latalomne October 19, 2020 8:06 PM BST
Are they letting us all off PC this week on account of the utterly abject pictures?  My portal's not been updated, which is a late as I can remember it happening for an absolute age....
Report jamesdean October 19, 2020 8:07 PM BST
1.01 beat

gps beat in the rain?
Report Rico-Dangleflaps October 19, 2020 9:51 PM BST
HappyHibby 19 Oct 20 17:52 
people playing watching raw pics...

absolutely no doubt in my mind.

Laugh
Report HappyHibby October 20, 2020 11:30 AM BST
yes it's very funny Mr.Hunt...
Report HappyHibby October 20, 2020 11:31 AM BST
not quite as funny as PJ + Duncan's Let's Get Ready to Rumble tho.
Report ProSniper October 20, 2020 11:34 AM BST
Shafty boogies to all their hits..
Report HappyHibby October 20, 2020 11:36 AM BST
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PY5zwufNYk8
Report jamesdean October 20, 2020 12:26 PM BST
Yarmmouth a different format? screen looks smaller again like what it was before it went brutal couple months back?
Report jamesdean October 20, 2020 12:26 PM BST
looks more rectangle
Report jamesdean October 20, 2020 12:29 PM BST
maybe not

suspended about half a furlong out
Report HappyHibby October 20, 2020 12:30 PM BST
i think we now know the 'early suspends' aren't just human error james...

that's how slow these pics are...

no doubt in my mind.
Report ProSniper October 20, 2020 12:30 PM BST
Nice 50+ to open proceedings..

Fine here jimmy. Although I clicked on stream half-way through race..
Report jamesdean October 20, 2020 12:36 PM BST
yep still sh1te hibby, false alarm

wd sipey, tea paid for early doors!
Report HappyHibby October 20, 2020 12:38 PM BST
Betfair will just continue to pay them the £ and the pics will never get beter or faster...

very strange imv.
Report ProSniper October 20, 2020 12:45 PM BST
I wish jimmy! don't back first timers. FC odds were 8. Opened 12's..drifted to 33 SP. 55 on here Plain Only jockey backers had chance of nailing that 1..
Report jamesdean October 20, 2020 12:48 PM BST
tht you meant you copped 50+ Blush

exeter seemed a mile as well btw
Report ProSniper October 20, 2020 12:51 PM BST
Front running thieves stacking bundles..
Report HappyHibby October 20, 2020 12:59 PM BST
pointless playing at Yarmouth today imv...

has been like this for ages...

i'm boycotting that track now.

utterly disgraceful how slow these pics are now imv...
Report ItsMeSwaddle October 20, 2020 12:59 PM BST
Its all ATR?
Report HappyHibby October 20, 2020 1:01 PM BST
all ATR tracks getting to the 'what's the point' stage now imv...
Report jamesdean October 20, 2020 1:05 PM BST
atr flat pointless, some jumps still playable but it's a lottery as to when it will be ok
Report Rico-Dangleflaps October 20, 2020 1:25 PM BST
yarm blv -1.7
Report Wesdag October 20, 2020 1:29 PM BST
Pause man on lunch break?

Minimum ok just then.
Report Jumping-cuckoo-monk October 20, 2020 1:38 PM BST
is that timing on minimum latency, Rico?
Report Rico-Dangleflaps October 20, 2020 1:47 PM BST
yes
Report Jumping-cuckoo-monk October 20, 2020 1:48 PM BST
Ta
Report jamesdean October 20, 2020 1:48 PM BST
big screen or inside tv?
Report john92 October 20, 2020 2:46 PM BST
I had a go at the first 3 at Wolves last night and that seemed a mile behind. I read it well there and at Southwell so dabble at those. Yarmouth, Newcastle etc I wouldn't entertain. Like jd says some of the jumps is alright on the low setting. There's nothing worse than doing in a few quid on something you know you should have avoided so it's best cutting stakes or just giving them a miss.
Report system99 October 20, 2020 3:21 PM BST
the quality stttering is ridiculous and beyond belief for this lengh of time, but don't agree speedwise,don't think been any change in months, ATR between - 1.5-2 Secs off live, RTV 1-1.5 secs behind live
Report HappyHibby October 20, 2020 3:25 PM BST
ATR between - 1.5-2 Secs off live

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crystal balls have never done such a good trade recently then system99...
Report system99 October 20, 2020 3:29 PM BST
any and everytime i have been able to check it's been between them times, what are u basing your posts on? dont get me wrong i aint defending them ATR is a disgrace and they are based on minimum which is more and more unusable.
Report HappyHibby October 20, 2020 3:39 PM BST
constantly seeing horses trading at ridiculously low prices when they shouldn't be based on what i am watching...

no doubt in my mind there are folk at the track playing off raw pics as well despite yer man Mr.Hunt laughing at what i said last night regarding Wolves...
Report system99 October 20, 2020 3:54 PM BST
of no doubt track play of whatever variety on the rise, getting to where it was pre covid, not quite but deffo more, and the combination of that and having to use the middle setting more and more is what your seeing/feeling but i disagree the speeds on here have altered.
Report HappyHibby October 20, 2020 3:59 PM BST
the combination of the two makes it pretty impossible for BLV users imv system99...

of course we all do different things and that makes a difference...

but even 2 secs behind 'live' when you have raw feed players is huge when liquidity is at pathetic levels...
Report system99 October 20, 2020 4:05 PM BST
completely agree, hard at the best of times at in the stuttering and your clear 2nd favourite, it's practically a coin flip weather you win or lose on a day and that's here with people 15 years + experience, a newbie trying it now is a rank outsider...
Report dustybin October 20, 2020 4:58 PM BST
The silver lining
Thats the last @ Yarm
Shame its not forever as with all the anti-IR ATR tracks
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