wear yr masks yeah right

hello we aint seen eye to eye under different guises but .......

well i thort i was losing weight cos ov covid cos i was out in Benidorm till 17th March but it seems it was sumfing else


Stand by for some big toons

hello we aint seen eye to eye under different guises but .......

well i thort i was losing weight cos ov covid cos i was out in Benidorm till 17th March but it seems it was sumfing else


Stand by for some big toons

MOT

Test lol

What are the arguments against mask wearing?

sorry to hear that shearer keep fighting stay strong and youll beat it lad ! good luck.

A sad tale, good luck and let`s hope that all citizens will do the decent thing and think of others in this time of crisis.

morning guys and gams maybe ? greetings for a sunny scotland , its nice that another interesting topic designed by myself has got you all chatting in a kind and indeed lucid manner , Since my return here ive been pointing out the paucity of interesting threads about horse racing , This thread has generated more views and more replies in  half a day than most of the  guessers threads and your two loss leader threads by the once manytimes a day posters , a few miserable well done to our man in munchen or over in striding monopoly land

I have virtually no idea what any of that means.

You and me both Lararbrown. Kemo is thick and incomprehensible.

Kemo is so thick he hasn't realised that everyone on the forum that replies to him taking is the piss out of him 24/7.

Kemo is as thick as they come. And I cant even read his posts

He's just the latest in a long line of loons that hav infested this place ova the years and the forum will still be going long long after he finally disappears despite his protestations to the contrary

BennyBinion1 24 Jul 20 19:41 
Someone dies in a car crash, tested positive for covid two months ago.

Cause of death--- COVID.

Manipulated figures.

They wanted everyone in lockdown, and one day we may find out why..



Do you actually believe this utter nonsense ?

Which bit is nonsense? All deaths where the deceased has at any point tested positive for covid-19 are recorded as covid-19 deaths by Public Health England.

Public Health England has offered no explanation for why they have been deliberately doing this. If you know better, please let the world know.



The UK health secretary, Matt Hancock, is ordering an urgent review of the daily Covid-19 death statistics produced by Public Health England, after it emerged that they may include recovered former sufferers who could have died of other causes.

The oddity was revealed in a paper by Yoon K Loke and Carl Heneghan of the Centre for Evidence-Based Medicine at Oxford University, titled “Why no one can ever recover from Covid-19 in England – a statistical anomaly”.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jul/17/matt-hancock-calls-urgent-inquiry-phe-covid-19-death-figures

You may be able to reduce the current 45,738 Covid death toll slightly by doing that but then consider that all deaths which are credited to Covid on the doctor death certificate are NOT included in that 45,738 for patients who haven't had a positive test , reckon if it was adjusted both ways Hancock would be sorry he asked the question in the first place.

The average UK deaths the 5 weekdays just gone is just over 90 whereas in Italy , Spain & France the same average in low single figures , the excuse we are a couple of weeks behind those major European countries won't wash now as we were saying that same thing 6 weeks ago.

Death toll in the UK is a mismanaged disgrace.

England's daily figures include all deaths stretching back months, for which the death certificate only got processed on that particular day. We're still including deaths from March in the daily figures.

Spain doesn't bother with that. If the death certificate doesn't reach the office dealing with it within 24 hours, it never gets included in the number of covid-19 deaths. Never. Obviously, in the country of mañana, this means that the official death toll misses the vast majority of deaths.

France? Well, I'm just guessing here, but which system do you think they might be following?

Screaming..., If you're so keen on data accuracy, maybe you could start by tippexing out the Crimea from your avatar

The French also use the nifty trick of only recording deaths in hospitals. Deaths "in the wider community" are simply ignored.

Escapee: You need to get back to watching Russia Today.

I presume your handlers in St Petersburg stretch as far as paying for satellite telly for you.

Bit of Low hanging fruit, Thought I'd just kick it off the tree.

Sorry, I regretted posting it moments after clicking the button

"Yes, I agree. We should definitely Tipp-Ex out Crimea."

Fair enough, Escapee. All good Chit-Chat-style banter.

Screaming again puts himself at the level of the OP,not a single Government on the planet that attempts to inflate the death toll from COVID? The exact opposite and none doing autopsies from traumatic deaths blaming the virus unless Screaming can cite any?

Go back months Screaming when I told you YOUR Gov were lying,under accounting by at least 10,000?

Are you really that stupid/moronic or just another part of the sicko OP?

Chit Chat banter? Laughing about the amount of dead people?

So fukcing funny!!!!

Sorry maybe I missed something,only lost my sister in law and my wifes niece,should there be more before criticising him/her?

Both medics btw and contracting the virus helping others!!!

We're laughing at Russia Today.

The rest I can't understand.

Are the Russian dead funnier than others?

As for understanding re-read your posts,even a deaf dumb and blind person would struggle for a laugh?

sod the horses , 1675  is the scores on the doors ,   ONE just posted 20 times and he says he had stopped reading and posting ,   i  just so love how you cant get enough

1831 the thread like a snowball rumbles forward

edinburgh seems very quiet today the main shopping streets look like zombie land with most even outside wearing masks but not joining the small  waiting people for their turn ,  its a bit like the titanic where the ice berg hit and people were not sure what was next ;  i was thinking of singing abide with me , but decided it was fat too cruel ,

the high street is gone ,  if youve a shop get out before you drown

Imagine being enough of a **** to not wear a mask to try and save lives. Incredible

In Morrisons Leicester today and the only people not wearing or wearing them around their necks below their nose were of asian descent

thats why Leicester is in lockdown

they dont give a flying fork

Racist overtones again there Kemo. Why did you get a 6 month ban? Was it for racist comments regarding the Scots and the Japanese?

Masks totally and completely unnecessary and now the government are aiming to "tackle obesity". You couldn't make it up.....

I agree. Forget the overwhelming evidence of the sense behind masks from other countries and the general decency towards others that wearing one implies, ignore the proven fact that being overweight makes you 40% more likely to die - what we should do is follow the advice of some bloke on a racing forum at 7.50am on a Monday morning.

There is no overwhelming evidence for wearing masks, if you have it please share it. You seem to thank that no one is entitled to an opinion. No point in forums if we all act like sheep and agree with everything our lords and masters told us. Whether you agree with people or no you should have some some respect for their opinions and then they may have some for ours. The 40% more likely to die is a daft comment, 40% more likely than what? I thought we all died.

'sheep'  zzzzzzzzz

My apologies, I had thought that the facts surrounding this were well known. For people with a BMI of 35 to 40, risk of death from COVID-19 increases by 40% and with a BMI over 40 by 90%, compared to those not living with obesity.

Thats not quite what you said but in any case as there has been no studies into any co-morbidity yet then that is a very speculative guess. The truth is everyone is coming up with guesses that no studies have proved and basing policy on guesses. They may turn out to be right but there is a serious cost for many of these policies and we are already seeing the outcomes of the prolonged lockdown. Masks may not be as serious but there is just no evidence they are doing any good at all. Many doctors are highlighting this fact but they just don't get reported in the media.

What I typed was copied from the Government`s website and is corroborated by the BMA. It is astonishing that there are those who will continue to argue that black is white during a global pandemic.

Every time you post you sideways insult those that you don't agree with using comments like arguing black is white. It isn't. Here one doctor (not some bloke off the forum):
Renowned neurosurgeon, Russell Blaylock, MD had this to say about the science of masks:

As for the scientific support for the use of face masks, a recent careful examination of the literature, in which 17 of the best studies were analyzed, concluded that, “None of the studies established a conclusive relationship between mask/respirator use and protection against influenza infection.”[R] Keep in mind, no studies have been done to demonstrate that either a cloth mask or the N95 mask has any effect on transmission of the COVID-19 virus. Any recommendations, therefore, have to be based on studies of influenza virus transmission. The fact is, there is no conclusive evidence of their efficiency in controlling flu virus transmission. - Russell Blaylock, MD

Here's a link (not some bloke off the forum):
https://www.technocracy.news/blaylock-face-masks-pose-serious-risks-to-the-healthy/?fbclid=IwAR1ukQjaRQ1kjKDMjvPFqo5UgtR9W650QUGvEmtpyJsBIRN4tyIFONDZlFk

Things are not black and white and goverments, BHA and whoever are often wrong.

Uberalles • July 26, 2020 4:51 PM BST
Imagine being enough of a **** to not wear a mask to try and save lives. Incredible.

Why

do

surgeons

wear

masks?

No ones arguing that. I wear my mask. The point is are we doing any good or are we creating another problem?

Why

do

surgeons

wear

masks?--- Well I think that there proximity to an open wound in the body has different risk factors to breathing in a shop.

Because

surgeons

know

how

to

use

them.

And

what

to use

them

for.

Surgeons use them as a barrier against bacteria. Bacteria are, on average, twenty times larger than a virus. They don't use them as a barrier against viruses, because they wouldn't work. To prevent viral infection of a patient, they are forced to use another method (i.e., not going into work if they have symptoms).

Why can't you just do that, and leave the rest of us out of of your deeply weird permanent mask fetish?

far and away the most popular and relevent thread on here , perfect for the forum lots of well held opinions ,  2337 views keep them going

^
a) both bacteria and virus particles are carried in respiratory droplets which are blocked to varying degrees by masks.

b) "not going into work if they have symptoms" - utterly astonishing that you still haven't grasped that covid virus particles can be shed by people with no symptoms.

dave not everyone on here is too bright   work from that premise  i mean this is a horse racing forum  i post the most popular thread on here it seems for months  about face masks , Et ergo people dont give a stuff about the horses ,  thats why the forum like chit chats on borrowed time , 

ive  no wish to increase the forums range and views yet it seems i am doing just that  , but im just passing through ,

Interesting paper at https://www.fhi.no/globalassets/dokumenterfiler/rapporter/2020/should-indivi... you can make it work either way.

dave, how can someone with no symptoms of a virus infect someone? I can't see how it's possible. If you've contracted the virus and not yet shown any symptoms, then you can't be shedding it. You only shed it after your body has detected it and is getting rid of it. Until then it just stays in your body looking for vulnerable cells to enter.

If your body were somehow shedding it before you became ill, then you wouldn't actually become ill, and the virus would never survive.

I'll grant you that there are some WE'RE-ALL-GOING-TO-DIE studies out there determined to prove that this covid-19 virus can somehow do what you claim, but, as the European Centre for Disease Prevention and Control says:

Asymptomatic transmission (i.e. when the infector has no symptoms throughout the course of the disease), is difficult to quantify. Available data, mainly derived from observational studies, vary in quality and seem to be prone to publication bias


https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/covid-19/latest-evidence/transmission

I don't know why I'm even arguing about this. All that matters is that a world where every other human being is wearing a surgical mask is just so deeply, deeply weird, there's no possible argument for it.

Went to M & S today,in and out in about 3 mins and just about tolerable but its like being in Zombieland,also staff don't wear them so whats that idea?
Incidentally Screaming couldn't you get an exemption?

No, rebero1. It's the other way round when you're deaf. You need the rest of the world to get an exemption!

Oh right,sorry Screaming,anything worth a try!

It's not just that you have no way of knowing what other people might be saying. You have no idea at all that anyone might actually be speaking to you. You only know when you jump out of your skin as someone grabs your arm, and the whole world is staring at you with their zombie eyes, and you're trapped in their empty silence.

Are they talking? Are you supposed to respond?

Even if you can't lipread (which is the case most of the time), at least from an unmasked face you can get some idea of whether to say yes, no or mmm, or whether to smile or look concerned, and in the end walk away with a bit of dignity still left.

In this world of surgical masks you just want the earth to swallow you up.

Anyway, it's not about exemptions. That just legitimizes a world where every human being will be wearing a surgical mask in public places for ever.

Just back from the supermarket with the kids. 100% mask-wearing shoppers, free coffee and a very straight-forward, safe experience for everyone in society. Thank goodness for this new law - better late than never.

Screaming,  You write this ::

"how can someone with no symptoms of a virus infect someone? I can't see how it's possible. If you've contracted the virus and not yet shown any symptoms, then you can't be shedding it."

With such conviction, such 100% certainty, Like you've studied Viruses for years?
Have you? I'd guess not.

Did you know that most of the symptoms are caused by your immune system as a defence against the virus, not the virus itself.

So it is quite possible to have a virus in the cells, in reproductive stage and hence infectious to others, way before the immune system has mounted a defence.



As a side point, the "Life cycle" (and they're not even alive) of a virus is one of the most fascinating things I've learnt
in the last few years.
If anyone likes learning interesting sciencey type stuff.... I'd recommend looking at viruses, they are amazing, they pre date cellular life.

How can a virus be infectious to others if it's in a cell in your body? It needs a mechanism to leave the cell in your body in order to enter someone else for it to infect them. A symptom, in other words. A cough.

I did spend three years in an office in Merton Park at the end of the 1980s translating medical texts, for what it's worth. But then Nigel Lawson (God bless you, sir) abolished the on-course tax, and that was the end of that.

utterly astonishing that you still haven't grasped that covid virus particles can be shed by people with no symptoms. ---  In such tiny quantities that any sensible precautions will suffice. Mask wearing seems severe if you are healthy or have no symptoms. It draconian in my opinion and should have been limited to the vulnerable and those with symptoms. Its ludicrous that you go into a supermarket fully masked and then off to the pub with no mask. All for a virus that is no worse than flu and killing no one any more. Madness!

^^ screaming you are obviously intelligent and well read so why do you make statements that you know are dubious?

Breathing exhales droplets from the respiratory tract, no cough is required.

and @truehoncho All for a virus that is no worse than flu and killing no one any more

I'll simply call you a liar.

I will concede that Dave. I should have said killing very few anymore in the UK, certainly not enough for these draconian measures in my opinion.

wearers v non-wearers

I get where you are coming from screaming, and I am far from knowledgeable on this.

My understanding is that it is possible for some viruses to be widespread within the body and body fluids without yet
having triggered the full on battle stations mode of the immune system (symptoms).

They can then and do reach the outside world through the aerosol we expel with every breath, as well as all the other fluids
we exude such as sweat and urine. (Australia, tracks the virus through testing the sewer system)

Every time we breathe or speak we are expelling moisture, when we laugh or cough, we expel larger droplets at quite
staggering speeds and distances. 

I get that most times we know we have a virus is because we have imuno-defence symptoms.
But that's not always the definition of being infectious.

Different viruses have different infection profiles.
Covid seems to have a markedly different infection profile to influenza.

Wearing a mask to protect others in the hope that they wear a mask to protect you seems sensible.

It's not 100%, but I'm sure you understand probability enough to understand why the wearing of masks will move
the probability of getting covid in the right direction.

Wearing a mask to protect others in the hope that they wear a mask to protect you seems sensible. I agree on the face of it it seems common sense but there is a lot more to it. Over 26000 died in the last flu season (that's official figures and challenged by many scientists as being far higher). Are we going to insist on masks every winter? The elephant tin the room is that until the majority (or at least some critical mass) have got antibodies this will always be easily spread. Surely all vulnerable people should wear them all the time and not just in supermarkets.

NHS England announced 10 COVID-19 related hospital deaths today.

2 = 25th Jul (2 days ago)
1 = 24th Jul (3 days ago)
2 = 22nd Jul (5 days ago)
1 = 21st Jul (6 days ago)
1 = 19th Jul (8 days ago)
1 = 20th Apr (98 days ago)
1 = 8th Apr (110 days ago)
1 = 4th Apr (114 days ago)

For this people are actually demanding to wear a surgical mask in public for the rest of their life.

oh another "bad faith" straw man posting.

The numbers cannot get any lower than this. If you're demanding masks now, you're demanding them for ever.

And more importantly if we accept mask wearing without challenging it what next? The NHS is in crisis every year for one reason or another. Now the precedent has been set to implement measures reducing freedoms which reduce the need to invest in NHS (and other) services. The rich will never have to worry about such measures as they can afford to send someone else shopping (or whatever).

Theres no point getting annoyed about it though. If people want to wear them thats their business. If you dont get your exemption card and happily go on your way. Thats my advice.

@truehoncho All for a virus that is no worse than flu and killing no one any more

I'll simply call you a liar.

Of that there is no doubt.

Are there any up to date mortality rate estimates for covid. It may well not be significantly higher than flu. Certainly for most of the under 50s there is no need to worry about either illness.

Of that there is no doubt.  --- you have not made a single worthwhile contribution just snipey little troll comments.

Are there any up to date mortality rate estimates for covid. It may well not be significantly higher than flu. Certainly for most of the under 50s there is no need to worry about either illness.  they are reassessing the numbers. Probably not much more than 30,000 for England and there were 26000+ for flu.

i will say again that all this certainty about what covid /does not do is irrelevant

Meanwhile i hav lost 2 friends thru the pandemic and hav had a scan that has just sat there for best part of 3mths whilst "the bad news" has continued to grow inside me

Get ya heads around that for a bit of reality and god forbid ya get old and suffer health problems cos some of the comments on ere are cringe to put it best

Some of you will learn some of ya wont - meanwhile there's chit chat - oh no there's not and i wonder why cos there's so mant fooking fanny's in the world

truehoncho • July 27, 2020 9:35 PM BST --- you have not made a single worthwhile contribution just snipey little troll comments

'When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser.' - Socrates.

Whats covid does/doesnt do is very important in many ways not least because as you say whilst the NHS seemingly exclusively focuses on it people are becoming ill with other things and being denied treatment. Thats a national disgrace.

I wish you well smirnoff.

Thankyou - a song to "celebrate"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hsdEzxEHUNA

i continue to read this post and i have certainly learned a lot from the quite at time heated and yes euradite posters , my own personal experience of the outbreak was .... i feel very very lucky i went to our place in tobermory on the isle of mull to try to locate a leak in a flat roof late february , i waited to see where the drips were when it rained , the problem was it never did , SO i was there from lockdown  until last week , i was indeed very lucky one shop a few doors down  enough food albeit some stuff not always daily   there was i believe one infection down near iona but overall no issue with the virus , The ferries to the island stopped people going there in,cluding people who loved there and anyone leaving simply wouldnt get back ,

For sixteen weeks  the sun shone i dug up or burned knotweed ,  we have a huge garden , i uncovered victorian steps , even a gazeebo .  groceries  were  delivered by the shop ,
i was very very lucky  we had what was really an extended holiday ,  the only time i felt unsafe or concerned was when i left on the ferry and that was with the two muppets from glasgow not wearing their masts on the ferry ,

i never did get to fix the roof , on the odd day there was a shower it showed no drips , The house is now fully booked for visitors till october ,

A tumbleweed is a structural part of the above-ground anatomy of a number of species of plants, a diaspore that, once it is mature and dry, detaches from its root or stem, and rolls due to the force of the wind.

2829 readers cant be wrong ,

Kemo sabe are you interpreting the amount of times someone clicks on this thread as personal acclimation? Surely not.

i keep getting told by folks no one rzads my stuff the figures seem to indicate and the posts just like yours the opposite is the case , welcome to kemo world ;   just like the rest you will cling limpet like to every thread i put up ,,,    the lack of other posters like yourself with a valid thought helps my stuff like Topsy grow and grow ,  dont forget black lives matter ,  if youve read the book you will understand the reference ;

ohh i should add lots read tobys threads albeit less than before he was banned ,   yet the fact that 38 of his last 39 tips lost seems not to matter ,

im fully aware as jersey told me 3 years ago the punters on here are two bob folk who simply wish to pick their own stuff , Win or lose its just their.. as my uncle joe said im paying for my entertainment ,

you lot ie some of you by posting on mine are meerly jollying along my day , ive no real interest ,   yr just  flotsam to amuse me , i keep telling you this yet like you  they post ,  so sad yet for me fun ,   the forum is really of no interest  like chit chat   ,  what happened to that i wonder

Surprised the BF forum are as dense as it appears, slowly sleepwalking into a police state, with a big smile on our faces (not that you can see with the face nappy on). Seems like the gov are using 1984 as a manifesto.

lots thought in the time the book was written it couldnt happen , in 1984 there was a lot of laughing that the predicted stuff hadnt happened ,,    since then some of it has ,,    though they didnt predict toasters that listened to us did they

Good Lord.

Surprised the BF forum are as dense as it appears

What does this even mean?

dont you read english larabrown  , its quite clear to anyone who can read , shall i explain dense  or appears

It is not English. There is a singular noun with a plural verb. Were I in need of advice I would be unlikely to consult you first to be honest.

my gfrend agree with you lara ,,, one nil to you   im mega impressed , do you pick winners as well

I thought the ( girlfriend ) had a puncture. ??

Ha ha ha ha.

3010  and still going ,,, whats funnier lara is she understood the  pont you were making i doubt if  the other poster could explain ,,, why not ask him hesas thick as as scotch pie

over 3000 and onwards it goes

kemo once again im afraid i told you about the thicos from glasgae ,,,SO tonight its ABERDEEN    all pubs all restaurants  no travel and dont come to aberdeen notices ,  pubs at weekend no social distancing , outside drunken melee no police no security just the grabbing of scottish pound from despeperate publicans 

to me i hope all the pubs fail in the city ,, incidently this is young white scots no immigrents ,,, a few wont open again , and the spread will continue ,,,  thick as pig sh,,,,,,

It isn't confined to one city, or even one country given the proclivity of some to congregate in large numbers and in close proximity to one another.

ohh and the rest and be thankful shut again     60 miles diversion ,,,    and they think they can survive with the english money ,,, interviews everyone asking why dont the gov spend the money to fix it properly ,,,, statement says weve no cash left