masks is shops from July 24

on a positive note some people are so offensively ugly that this is actually going to give them a chance to pull

The poor sods behind the counter in Ladbrokes are going to be spending 10 hours a day inhaling a mixture of carbon dioxide and bacteria. There's going to be a hell of an epidemic of pleurisy.

The only consolation, I suppose, is that nobody will be there to see them taking the things off in order to breathe, I can't imagine there'll be any customers at all. Thursday 23rd will be the last day I enter a betting shop. Well, any shop at all, come to that.

those of you with a squint or bozzy eyes need to hope for sunny weather to complete the outfit with dark glasses

The law will never be repealed. No politician would dare. There'd just be accused of murder.

Jul 13, 2020 -- 11:07PM, GEORGE.B wrote:

there's no evidence the wearing of face nappies has saved a single life

So why do surgeons wear them during operations?

Those surgeons are hopeless at tipping winners.

The only logical conclusion is that some businessman who donates millions to the Tories, has got stuck with a load of masks that he needs to be able to sell to turn a profit.

Neat Catch 22 though - I don't have a mask, but now I can't go into a shop to buy a mask unless I'm wearing a mask.

https://www.boots.com
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and they have given you ten days to get equipped

Jul 14, 2020 -- 8:03AM, TheAnorak wrote:

The only logical conclusion is that some businessman who donates millions to the Tories, has got stuck with a load of masks that he needs to be able to sell to turn a profit. Neat Catch 22 though - I don't have a mask, but now I can't go into a shop to buy a mask unless I'm wearing a mask.

probably friends/relatives of cummings

So why do surgeons wear them during operations?

Big difference Dave between performing surgery via a deep open wound and going into One Stop to buy a loaf of bread. Hth.

And I think those surgical masks are stringently regulated and of a specific design, not the 10 for a pound non-sterile face nappies that Bumbling Boris is ordering to you wear.

My son went out last Saturday for the first time since March to say goodbye to fellow students going back to their own country.
He caught the tram and train.
He said mask wearing was being enforced vigorously on the train ......however on the tram , no checks and very few wearing them.

Most people are not wearing them in shops.This means they have decided the risk is not high enough and they would rather not wear them.
The government , who of course do not live a real life, believe more will go to the shops.
The thought of 100 + people in a supermarket all with masks on will stop me from going.
I am sure I am not alone in choosing to buy all I can online rather than do this.
The large shops will be ok , either you go or use them online.
But this will kill small and independent shops.

I remember about 15 years ago being told the reason we worked in towns and cities was to keep the shops alive..... I thought this was ludicrous then and we are using the same argument now.
Imprisoning workers in offices so they have to pay expensive public transport or car parking and then buying a sandwich and coffee is the most bizarre business model I can imagine.

Why do I want to go into a shop? I've not been in one since early March as I've ordered all our food from Waitrose or Ocado and other things on line from makers,Ebay or Amazon.

WALOFS!!!!!

The spineless lemmings jumping over the cliff have got their way at last, now everyone has to look stupid and not just the politically correct do gooders. The world has gone stark staring mad in my opinion. The death rate is down, the infection rate is down, there's no evidence that a mask helps in any way and yet the government, having dug themselves in such a big hole over what is, in effect, a flu virus, have come up with this gem of a solution.

During the government's latest coronavirus briefing, the Deputy Chief Medical Officer addressed questions about whether people in the UK should be wearing face masks.

Professor Jonathan Van Tam said he does not believe healthy people wearing them would reduce the spread of the disease in the UK, saying "what matters now is social distancing".

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-52153145/coronavirus-we-do-not-recommend-face-masks-for-general-wearing

The WHO were also saying for months that you only needed to wear one if you were in direct contact with a Covid patient.

Why the change in policy when deaths and hospital admissions have fallen (funnily enough as they tend to do through the summer months in general)?

Was in the local Hills yesterday,a young lad i know was working there so he came round for a chat and bumped into a guy i've known for years doing his bets before off to work,had a pleasant 5 mins with them and thought i'll do this more often and now this nonsense.

If you're vulnerable, or at risk or just plain thick as a plank, then you should be allowed to wear one but if you're amongst those who are perfectly fit, at low risk and you have at least one brain cell then you should be allowed the choice. All the evidence points to masks being no use whatsoever but the less than positive prime minister has to be seen to be doing something useful.

Stop moaning and do as your told

Been mandatory up here for a week or so. You need it to go into a shop but 40 drinkers are squeezed into a beer garden across the road with no masks.

Infections fall to zero: "See! Masks work. We must keep wearing masks!"

Infections rise, or fail to fall: "We must keep wearing masks!"

The government suggests repealing the law: "See! Boris is a murderer."

This law will never be repealed.

Jul 14, 2020 -- 8:48AM, GEORGE.B wrote:

So why do surgeons wear them during operations?Big difference Dave between performing surgery via a deep open wound and going into One Stop to buy a loaf of bread. Hth.And I think those surgical masks are stringently regulated and of a specific design, not the 10 for a pound non-sterile face nappies that Bumbling Boris is ordering to you wear.

So masks stop microbes then and you are just arguing about the type of mask?

Jul 14, 2020 -- 9:10AM, artful dodger wrote:

If you're vulnerable, or at risk or just plain thick as a plank, then you should be allowed to wear one but if you're amongst those who are perfectly fit, at low risk and you have at least one brain cell then you should be allowed the choice. All the evidence points to masks being no use whatsoever but the less than positive prime minister has to be seen to be doing something useful.

another one who doesn't realise that the point of the mask is primarily to reduce the risk from an infected person.

Good of you to keep supplying us with the latest updates from Conservative Central Office.

I struggle to see why 30 minutes in a supermarket requires a mask whilst 8 hours in an office does not .

The obvious way around that problem will be to make masks compulsory in offices too.

Agreed , but no doubt you don't work in an office and neither do I .....sitting at a desk in on office wearing a mask all day sounds like purgatory.

And so should pubs and restaurants , they are shops. But of course it is impractical so is allowed , when if we are going to enforce masks they should not be open.

And just like elite cyclists all suddenly recall their childhood asthma when a big race is on ....... why won't people claim asthma and other other breathing issues as reason not to wear one?

Surely its about reducing risks , where practical. Its not an all in or all out situation.  In an office you are in a traceable bubble working with the same people but in  a shop you could be sneezed on by any untraceable carrier. Its not practical in pubs or restaurants but that doesn't mean you shouldn't wear them elsewhere. Wedding dresses aren't practical in a swimming pool but does that mean brides should not wear them ?

traceable bubble with same people .....you have no idea where and what fellow workers do when elsewhere.
They could have been sneezed  on elsewhere as your argument suggests.

So people can get drunk in a pub and all the actions that can lead to but..... my collecting of a Racing post from the local petrol station and the up to 1 minute it takes would require a mask.

I'm not saying office workers won't get infected , just that others in the office will know and can isolate.
You can't trace all the shoppers in a supermarket , hence there is a reduction in infection overall.

As lockdown restrictions are eased a perfectly sensible,logical and correct decision.

Masks aren't just purgatory, they're pleurisy.

The only way I can see around this is to wear a bandana, wild west-style. They are as effective at preventing viral transmission as Poundshop medical masks (i.e., completely ineffectual), but have the advantage of allowing you to inhale oxygen rather than your own carbon dioxide. So you won't keep adjusting them with your hands and infecting yourself from items you've touched.


Still makes life utterly grim for us deaf people though. You have no idea whether anyone has even spoken at all, never mind what they might have been saying.

All communication, for hearing or deaf, in spoken or sign language, relies on facial expressions for it to work.

I e-mailed Number Ten a couple of days ago, begging Boris not to go through with this. I even quoted Cicero: 'Ut imago est animi voltus sic indices oculi' (The face is a picture of the mind as the eyes are its interpreter). Didn't get a reply.

You think that forcing people to wear a mask is "easing restrictions"?!

I think it is logical but I see the problem for deaf people who need to read lips . You can't win whatever you do in these situations . Its a rock or a hard place.

It must be another level of difficulty for the hard of hearing who already have challenges.

As somebody on the radio mentioned , how long will this go on for . As there is no foreseeable cure unless you can be sure there is no virus on our island and it is not brought back , these rules could be here to stay.

On an aside I was cycling on Sunday and went down a quite rode which is a favourite for learner drivers.
I passed four vehicles and all wear wearing masks,  the only place I have seen everybody following the rules.

The occupants not the vehicles.

^^^ you might have got a reply if you hadn't spouted drivel about carbon dioxide.

I presume that is not aimed at my responses , as I have not mentioned CO2

I live alone, and the only communication I have with anyone these days is a smile from the staff or the old boys in Ladbrokes when I walk in with the dog each morning. That little bit of warmth, humanity and acknowledgement that I still mean something is going to be gone for good in ten days' time.

In supermarkets, when I get those questions from the till of do I want a bag, have I got a storecard, etc. I won't even know I'm being asked, never mind be able to work out the question from the cashier's expression and lips. There'll just be annoyance at how I'm holding up the queue, and me wanting the earth to swallow me up.

Just a stupid pointless exercise. If they had done it from the start you may (I would not have) have had some credibility. It's a little late in the day I think. Handy if you are an armed robber though!

^^^no at screaming who believes that a mask that is useless at filtering microbes can somehow manage to block far smaller CO2 molecules.

Dave, if you're not breathing in CO2 when wearing a mask, you're either wearing a top-grade, technical, medical mask, or (more likely) you're wearing a store-bought one and not wearing it properly.

what are you on about?  the atmosphere contains CO2 obviously i'm breathing it

How is exhaled CO2 going to disperse completely from the confines of a mask before you inhale it again? The mask must stop a large proportion of the molecules dispersing - if it doesn't, it's not really a mask.

Proportion of CO2 in the atmosphere: 0.04%


Proportion of CO2 in exhaled air: 4.0%


Exhaled air contains 100 times more carbon dioxide than inhaled air does.

A mask is not a plastic bag.  Any reasonable design must allow the passage of gasses.

I'm off to Ladbrokes now.

Enjoy it while we still can.

I don't know about CO2 but masks are controversial. One of the most important thing that people need to do to stop transmission is not to touch their face. This is key and drummed into people working in vulnerable environments. A risk with a mask is that it is constantly being touched or moved around for comfort or to be able to talk to someone. I suppose people can control themselves but it isn't easy as it is an automatic action.

There is probably going to be some resistance requiring the lungs to work harder and that might present problems for some people, who shouldn't have to wear masks, but other people wearing them will provide them with some reduction in risk.

dave has highlighted the problem I have. I have a heart condition which means I get out of breath very easily. I can only really walk up one flight of stairs at a time. I have no problem wearing a mask sitting down but I had a hospital appt a week or two ago and had to walk around the place which,given it's flat wouldn't normally be much of a problem. Wearing a mask made it noticeably more difficult and I imagine it will be the same in a supermarket,which is the only type of shop I have any intention of entering. I don't fancy having to explain all this to some busybody if I don't wear one.

make a badge salmon, just write "fck off i hate masks" on it

if you don't want to wear 1 then just say you are exempt, that's what I will be doing

Up here it can be a face covering, scarf, snood etc doesnt have to be a mask.

If I was half my age and twice my size that is what I would do elise.

I have heard some guy is selling his misses used knickers for the job.

There are only 4 categories that should be made/allowed to wear a mask. 1. the vulnerable. 2. the ones at high risk. 3.the ones who've been brainwashed by the scaremongering. 4. the ones with only a single brain cell. Everyone else is allowed to lead a relatively normal life in the real world!

also the problem will be this could be mandatory for ever..introduced in the summer
with lowish infections with the winter to come with much higher infections so no chance of reversal.
surely a death knell for more and more shops and our own personal freedoms

Jul 14, 2020 -- 11:55AM, artful dodger wrote:

There are only 4 categories that should be made/allowed to wear a mask. 1. the vulnerable. 2. the ones at high risk. 3.the ones who've been brainwashed by the scaremongering. 4. the ones with only a single brain cell. Everyone else is allowed to lead a relatively normal life in the real world!

still doesn't understand that the point of the mask is primarily to reduce the risk from an infected person.

and isleham doing a good impression of a hysterical little girl.

i just dont want to wear a mask for the rest of my life and
after the last three months who could possibly want to listen to the
words of politicians and scientists.
also its pretty insulting words from you dave just because you dont have the same opinion as others

Agree with dave.
Prefer to listen to scientists.

** I don't know about CO2 but masks are controversial. One of the most important thing that people need to do to stop transmission is not to touch their face. This is key and drummed into people working in vulnerable environments. A risk with a mask is that it is constantly being touched or moved around for comfort or to be able to talk to someone. I suppose people can control themselves but it isn't easy as it is an automatic action.*

I wear a pair of plastic gloves and if my hand goes towards my face I notice them and stop. Wash them on my hands when I get home and then wash my hands.

Wearing a mask to minimise infecting another? Is that not something acceptable in the present climate where Covid-19 deaths are still happening? Those in the Far East and South East Asia where virus of this kind is a timely occurrence in the past have been wearing masks to minimise and control infection or spike.

We can learn from them, surely.

Enslaving the human race bit by bit.  1st mandatory masks what next?  vacs? biometric tatts?  I truly believe Corbyn "threw" the last election.  I don't think he has the heart to carry out "the agenda" whereas doris and jimmy krankie are right in their elements.  On a brighter note the hammers should stay up

sorry isleham you aren't anything like hysterical compared to ffaith

If Corbyn threw the last election it's the only time he's ever carried out a plan successfully.

sorry isleham you aren't anything like hysterical compared to ffaith  Well they may not be enslaving us just yet but we are certainly losing a lot of freedoms. Thats ok if the cause is worth it but I don't think this one is. The point about mask in the far east, well go and live in that authoritarian rule. If you think you will be allowed to speak your mind on a forum there you are mistaken.

the japanese respect authority but aren't authoritarian

It proves that what I've been saying for years is true. We don't have any rights and freedoms and never did because the Government can take them

away whenever it sees fit. Rights are rights, not privileges granted by Government.

With regards our Government's handling of the situation, explain this: Turkey, with a population of 80 million has had 10 percent of the deaths

we have, as a result of extensive trace and tracking and testing initiated the very day the first case was confirmed there.

Our mob are utterly incompetent and took the actions they did purely in an attempt to save their political lives not peoples' lives.

They are an utter disgrace.

well we had a set up where we had a lot of rights, but a bunch didn't like that and decided that blue passports were more important.

I was on a train Saturday 90% wore masks under the mouth and pulled them up if the conductor was about

simply pointless

Rights are rights, not privileges granted by Government.

correct...which is why you are within your rights to ignore social distancing, refuse to wear a face covering, refuse a vaccine etc
it might be "mandatory" but its not the law

People in east Asia where masks because of the pollution. Even small pollution particles are around a hundred times bigger than viruses, so the masks they're wearing are a hundred times more breathable than anti-virus masks.

In other words, Asian masks are comfortable (which is why they wear them so readily), but are little more than a placebo against viruses.

There are some dirty tw@ts out there can you imagine what some of these masks will be like 3 months down the line. You will be able to smell them within 2 metres.

^^ nothing about pollution in this article

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jul/14/in-japan-wearing-a-mask-is-habitual-can-the-uk-follow-suit

and anyway I thought those with trouble "getting on" would relish the opportunity of masks.  A few hats, masks and removable layers of clothing, in clover!

There's something deeply wrong with cultural mask wearing

Will be interesting to see how the natives react where I am and I really don't see how it can be enforced. Been wearing a mask for a week or so now, I really don't mind.

it can't be enforced as its not the law

exactly the same as the "rule" prohibiting mass gatherings in public
police don't have the powers to enforce it...that's why they stood by & watched
same goes for face coverings, social distancing, 1 hour of exercise a day etc etc
load of bs that you can choose to consent to or ignore, as you so wish

mask, wig & sunglasses.  might be able to get a bet on again ..

Masks in betting shops presumably

Jul 14, 2020 -- 4:53PM, Nightfly wrote:

Masks in betting shops presumably

Funny one Hulk! first laugh of the day.

If it's not law, how does it go if the police hit you with a fine in a shop, for not wearing one.

pay it or they take you out the back and duff you up ...

the dealer

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https://community.betfair.com/chit_chat/go/thread/view/94038/31641653/sontaranstratagem-terry-mccann-johnwhenry?post_id=559156155#559156155#flvWelcomeHeader

starting with my post 11th april 2020 3.48pm
its all old ground that has been covered before

busy watching ripon & ayr GL

yeah and it's complete nonsense

Cheers

What are the rules in France about masks? They banned Burkhas, didn't they?

Jul 14, 2020 -- 5:08PM, wondersobright wrote:

the dealer.https://community.betfair.com/chit_chat/go/thread/view/94038/31641653... with my post 11th april 2020 3.48pmits all old ground that has been covered beforebusy watching ripon & ayr GL

Surely, you meant " it's already been covid "?

Lol the Hulk.

There has been reports of shoppers turning against other shoppers not wearing masks already. It IS going to be interesting, I reckon.

if anyone is still prepared  to listen to the scientists(a thousand different theories and models)
after the last four months here they certainly need a serious rethink

the vast majority are going to follow the guidelines, a minority will rebel mouth off and not get served in asda, then go down the road to lidl and put a mask on

should have something like a naps table for the scientists.  they could all nominate their best guess each day, show which ones have guessed correctly the most times since this all kicked off.

paul the octopus would have been a better bet (if he hadn't copped it)

Difficult not to touch your face when you've got 8 arms.

I wear a mask every time when I'm in a shop - I also remove it when I'm outside. Since lockdown has been eased I've had walkers from the "Leicester" community walking in twos in a narrow lane approaching me and expecting me to give way which I'd done. Today, I've decided to stop and hold my ground, and just stare at them - it worked! Not only did they walk behind their friend/relative I also received an apology as well.

Careful Impossible. You don't want to cause a diplomatic incident.

Tough if the truth hurts. I'll tell it as it is. I advocate political correctness, but not out of nepotism and/or cronyism - only competency. Otherwise, the ship will sink taking everyone with it.

I think you will find the waves are crashing over the decks as we speak.

Wore one for the first time today , no choice as I was visiting my new doctor's surgery.

Haven't been to the doctors in over a decade ..... so as I am a rubbish customer I was made an inactive patient and booted our of the Practice.

So went to the new one today.
Advised to get an urgent appointment . Phoned first thing , had a telephone appointment and then was told to attend .

The surgery , staff and doctor were great.

But wearing the mask was rubbish.
I took a book to read and had to take my glasses off to read it.

The point being , glasses steam up because displaced hot air from under the mask leaks out and fogs them.
These coverings are not sealed like proper masks.
So we are still passing some of our exhalation to others .......people thinking these coverings make you safe in a shop are being led like sheep on this rubbish.