Commentator's pronunciation of COBH

Don't mention the French racing and the pronunciation of Chill Chainnigh.

Bartlett did the same with
Ennistymon at Ascot.

soshiehall street

COBH - "Cove" Harbour - was the last departure point of the TITANIC before the fatal voyage.
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I have visited Cobh twice in the past 10 years - once whilst staying in the small town of Inishannon, south-west of Cork, and a few miles (sorry, kilometres in Ireland ) from Kinsale.
Then drove through Bantry Bay, and the tremendous, and challenging drive over Molls Gap and down into Killarney - for the racing - before going on to Dingle for a few days.

  *  So - workrider - NO (misconceived) anti-Irish bias there ... at least nowhere near your comparative jingoistic pro-Irish/anti-British retorts.

You are far too fast out of the traps with them, old  son ... and, consequently, are doing yourself no favours whatsoever. 

I visit the U.K. several times a year for racing etc, myself and my wife spend a week in Thirsk last Sept ,no racing for me, the year before we spent a few weeks in Cornwall , I love England and lived there in the 70s for 7 years, I have many friends there as well , some even are on here. So you are totally way off the mark mate. You on the other hand seem to take great delight in finding fault with the Irish, hence my retorts.

Mispronouncing names does show a degree of unprofessionalism but on the other hand, if you don't want your horse's name mispronounced, don't give it a hard-to-pronounce name.

Why not call it Cove. Be easier for everyone.

I suspect a lot of the problem is that commentators no longer have to spend all night learning the colours like they did in the old days before colour printing in the Post and racecard. For the most part commentators have their first look ten minutes before the race, so there is no time to research names in unfamiliar languages.

Featherstonehaugh
How do we pronounce that ^^^

Can't believe anyone would give a damn about pronunciation of racehorse names

...Can't believe anyone would give a damn about pronunciation of racehorse names ...

Probably the same people who get pissed off when they hear solecisms like "between you and I" , and read posts with "would of", "could of", and "should of".

It's called "having standards".

As i said , can't believe anyone would give a damn about pronunciation of racehorse names

B is pronounced 'v' in Russian and Ukrainian.

V is pronounced 'b' in Spanish.

B, softened by an H, is pronounced 'v' in Irish.


It really is that simple.

I remember going to buy my first Classical Music tape, as it was in those days , I bought a Wagner tape , and remember been perplexed when the shop assistant said as she wrapped it up,I hope you enjoy this Vagner tape young man...

Hands up who knew that the car brand Skoda is pronounced 'Shkoda'.

Bettinghelp.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xMs1eXBn4VQ

I have to put my hands up and say that my pronunciation of some Irish names is poor to say the least. I am not bad with a lot of Western European languages because you pretty much say what you see whereas the Irish language doesn't always give you much help.
I would also like to point out that a number of Irish commentators are no great shakes on the pronunciation front. I remember that horse Deutschland which often ended up being called Ditchland at best.

Fully agree Can't, whats bugging me lately with Irish commentators , is the pronunciation of the word furlong, now been called furlin..

It's Škoda rather than Skoda.

The háček (hook) over the S modifies it from an 's' sound to a 'sh' sound. (Incidentally, háček is pronounced 'hachek' - again, the hook over the c alters the pronunciation from 'c' to 'ch'.)

All European languages use some form of hook or squiggle to modify the pronunciation of consonants. English and Irish write that squiggle as a letter h; Polish uses a z; Scots use a z or an l (Ian Gillan out of Deep Purple and ex-Spurs legend Alan Gilzean have the same name, from the Gillean clan).

Jul 6, 2020 -- 2:27PM, workrider wrote:

Fully agree Can't, whats bugging me lately with Irish commentators , is the pronunciation of the word furlong, now been called furlin..

Been saying it for ages WR, some people couldn't wait to get Dessie out the door. We're left with absolute dross commentating here.

Screaming - "B is pronounced 'v' in Russian and Ukrainian.
V is pronounced 'b' in Spanish.
B, softened by an H, is pronounced 'v' in Irish"

That's interesting...and has reminded me of something I heard many years ago
about the derivation of words throughout European languages whereby 'b' & 'v'
can be 'inter-changeable' - I can only think of one example but I'm sure there
are loads more - scribe & scrivener.
The latter just being a ponced-up version of the former.
Any others?

I'll have to have a word with Gerry next time I'm racing MJK...

My name is Paul. My dad's Ukrainian friends used to call me by the Ukrainian version of the name, i.e. Павло (pronounced Pav-LO). Meanwhile, the Spanish version of my name is, of course Pablo.

You see it too in the transliteration of Hindi. Ex-India cricket captain Sourav Ganguly has the same name as badminton star Sourabh Verma. It's the same as Cove and Cobh - different spellings of the same word, depending on whether you want to reproduce the 'v' sound with a modified 'b' or the letter v itself.

The 'b' sound is just a voiced version of the 'p' sound (exactly the same lip movements). Which is why the name Steven can also be spelt Stephen. Here the letter p is modified with a squiggle (or letter h) to provide the 'v' sound, the same way bh become v in Cobh and Cove.

If you want to be called cove why not spell it cove? 

Simples

Ruby Walsh , would also be known as Ruby Welsh in certain parts of Ireland , again its how locals pronounce it...

Thanks Pavlo

Commentator way off with the pronunciation of SIDEREAL in the 20.15 tonight.

Meaning="with respect to the distant stars (i.e. the constellations or fixed stars, not the sun or planets)."

Pronounced: SIGH-DEER-EE-AL (emphasis on second syllable).

Well-named, too ...

Sire:
    Galileo (IRE) (11.2f)
Dam:
    Starlit Sands (GB)

Mind you - Could have been even better if the Sire had been - Sea The Stars

Workrider - hope you are well.

Your Wagner story reminded me of a related one. A group of students were set a creative thinking test. They were asked "If the answer is 9W, what is the question?"

The best question was "Do you spell your name with a V, Herr Wagner?"

took me a couple of seconds to get the Wagner one ...excellent brainteaser.

Thanks for asking Blackbarn, still not 100% even though i'm out of hospital 3 months, this covid is something else , doctor is keeping me on blood thinners , still waiting for hospital to tell me if the clots on the lungs have gone, broken ribs a lot better , walked up a mountain last week and playing golf twice a week , plus went to Naas and Bellewstown on Sat, so well on the road to recovery thanks..Vagner eh...

took me a couple of seconds to get the Wagner one ...excellent brainteaser.

Yeah, at least one up from a jigsaw of the sky

COBH is the spelling representing the the town of COBH

If you change it to COVE or any other, it makes the whole thing pointless.

You would think a professional would do his homework, in this case about 2 minutes would suffice.

Irish politicians and media speaking on Bregzit is what gives me the hump.

Not to mention Westminister

Interesting username, peckerdunne.

I was fortunate enough to meet (and play with) your namesake some thirty years ago. A fine singer and an equally fine banjo player. Not quite Barney McKenna level, but still excellent.

Suddle

Suddle....

there is no V in Irish Language

or a k  (Cill Dara for Kildare)


We do have fada's (accents) on the vowels.

Down the road from Cobh is Youghal,it took me ages to figure it out when an English friend was saying You-gal,it is "Yawl"or "Ye-all"

Yes Art thank you.

I used to listen to him on the banks of the Royal Canal on All Ireland day as a kid.

A few of the country cousins have played with him over the years.

I love my trad(music) and my little mission is to keep the music of those lads alive, so i sing most of his songs around the place and some others of that ilk that i can dig up.

I wouldn't ever class myself as a great singer but people seem to love it nonetheless.

I don'r really touch the hoo ha on the tables stuff, mind you i love Luke off course.

I saw 4.00 at Roscommon and the commentator managed to get Yulong Pearlisland wrong throughout the race. Apparently it is pronounced Yulong Perilisland

While we are on the subject of Gaelic names, I feel it is appropriate to mention the most egregious equine mispronunciation of all time ... I refer of course to the 1967 Grand National winner, Foinavon.

The horse was originally owned by Anne, Duchess of Westminster, and was named after a mountain on her estate in Sutherland (as also were Arkle, Ben Stack and Kinloch Brae ). I spent my boyhood years climbing these peaks.

The correct pronunciation of Foinavon is best represented phonetically as FOON-YA-VINN, with the emphasis on the first syllable.

I do not, however, hold out hopes that the correct pronunciation will start to become widely adopted any time soon.

This is starting to get a bit Anglo-Hungarian phrasebook. You're just making these up now to have a laugh at tourists.

'A pint of Gu1nness, please.'

'Yeah that's actually pronounced "Please foindle ma bumh" in Gaelic.'