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Art Decko
05 Jul 20 12:10
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It's the name of a village in Ireland and it's pronounced "COVE", not "COB".

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By:
scrabbler
When: 05 Jul 20 12:43
Don't mention the French racing and the pronunciation of Chill Chainnigh.
By:
super rory
When: 05 Jul 20 12:50
Bartlett did the same with
Ennistymon at Ascot.
By:
dave1357
When: 05 Jul 20 13:00
soshiehall street
By:
onlooker
When: 05 Jul 20 20:16
COBH - "Cove" Harbour - was the last departure point of the TITANIC before the fatal voyage.
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I have visited Cobh twice in the past 10 years - once whilst staying in the small town of Inishannon, south-west of Cork, and a few miles (sorry, kilometres in Ireland Happy) from Kinsale.
Then drove through Bantry Bay, and the tremendous, and challenging drive over Molls Gap and down into Killarney - for the racing - before going on to Dingle for a few days.

  *  So - workrider - NO (misconceived) anti-Irish bias there ... at least nowhere near your comparative jingoistic pro-Irish/anti-British retorts. Happy

You are far too fast out of the traps with them, old  son ... and, consequently, are doing yourself no favours whatsoever.  Sad
By:
workrider
When: 05 Jul 20 22:27
I visit the U.K. several times a year for racing etc, myself and my wife spend a week in Thirsk last Sept ,no racing for me, the year before we spent a few weeks in Cornwall , I love England and lived there in the 70s for 7 years, I have many friends there as well , some even are on here. So you are totally way off the mark mate. You on the other hand seem to take great delight in finding fault with the Irish, hence my retorts.
By:
Ramruma
When: 06 Jul 20 06:27
Mispronouncing names does show a degree of unprofessionalism but on the other hand, if you don't want your horse's name mispronounced, don't give it a hard-to-pronounce name.
By:
clacton
When: 06 Jul 20 09:44
Why not call it Cove. Be easier for everyone.
By:
Ramruma
When: 06 Jul 20 10:23
I suspect a lot of the problem is that commentators no longer have to spend all night learning the colours like they did in the old days before colour printing in the Post and racecard. For the most part commentators have their first look ten minutes before the race, so there is no time to research names in unfamiliar languages.
By:
Fire-and-Ice
When: 06 Jul 20 10:47
Featherstonehaugh
How do we pronounce that ^^^
By:
Hayden
When: 06 Jul 20 11:15
Can't believe anyone would give a damn about pronunciation of racehorse names
By:
Art Decko
When: 06 Jul 20 13:10
...Can't believe anyone would give a damn about pronunciation of racehorse names ...

Probably the same people who get pissed off when they hear solecisms like "between you and I" , and read posts with "would of", "could of", and "should of".

It's called "having standards".
By:
Hayden
When: 06 Jul 20 13:14
As i said , can't believe anyone would give a damn about pronunciation of racehorse names
By:
screaming from beneaththewaves
When: 06 Jul 20 13:28
B is pronounced 'v' in Russian and Ukrainian.

V is pronounced 'b' in Spanish.

B, softened by an H, is pronounced 'v' in Irish.


It really is that simple. Plain
By:
workrider
When: 06 Jul 20 13:39
I remember going to buy my first Classical Music tape, as it was in those days , I bought a Wagner tape , and remember been perplexed when the shop assistant said as she wrapped it up,I hope you enjoy this Vagner tape young man...Shocked
By:
bettinghelp
When: 06 Jul 20 14:11
Hands up who knew that the car brand Skoda is pronounced 'Shkoda'.
By:
workrider
When: 06 Jul 20 14:12
Laugh Bettinghelp.
By:
bettinghelp
When: 06 Jul 20 14:15
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xMs1eXBn4VQ
By:
Cantthinkofaclevername
When: 06 Jul 20 14:22
I have to put my hands up and say that my pronunciation of some Irish names is poor to say the least. I am not bad with a lot of Western European languages because you pretty much say what you see whereas the Irish language doesn't always give you much help.
I would also like to point out that a number of Irish commentators are no great shakes on the pronunciation front. I remember that horse Deutschland which often ended up being called Ditchland at best.
By:
workrider
When: 06 Jul 20 14:27
Fully agree Can't, whats bugging me lately with Irish commentators , is the pronunciation of the word furlong, now been called furlin..
By:
screaming from beneaththewaves
When: 06 Jul 20 14:42
It's Škoda rather than Skoda.

The háček (hook) over the S modifies it from an 's' sound to a 'sh' sound. (Incidentally, háček is pronounced 'hachek' - again, the hook over the c alters the pronunciation from 'c' to 'ch'.)

All European languages use some form of hook or squiggle to modify the pronunciation of consonants. English and Irish write that squiggle as a letter h; Polish uses a z; Scots use a z or an l (Ian Gillan out of Deep Purple and ex-Spurs legend Alan Gilzean have the same name, from the Gillean clan).
By:
MJK
When: 06 Jul 20 14:45

Jul 6, 2020 -- 2:27PM, workrider wrote:


Fully agree Can't, whats bugging me lately with Irish commentators , is the pronunciation of the word furlong, now been called furlin..


Been saying it for ages WR, some people couldn't wait to get Dessie out the door. We're left with absolute dross commentating here.

By:
Gibberish
When: 06 Jul 20 14:49
Screaming - "B is pronounced 'v' in Russian and Ukrainian.
V is pronounced 'b' in Spanish.
B, softened by an H, is pronounced 'v' in Irish"

That's interesting...and has reminded me of something I heard many years ago
about the derivation of words throughout European languages whereby 'b' & 'v'
can be 'inter-changeable' - I can only think of one example but I'm sure there
are loads more - scribe & scrivener.
The latter just being a ponced-up version of the former.
Any others?
By:
workrider
When: 06 Jul 20 14:49
I'll have to have a word with Gerry next time I'm racing MJK...Grin
By:
screaming from beneaththewaves
When: 06 Jul 20 14:56
My name is Paul. My dad's Ukrainian friends used to call me by the Ukrainian version of the name, i.e. Павло (pronounced Pav-LO). Meanwhile, the Spanish version of my name is, of course Pablo.
By:
screaming from beneaththewaves
When: 06 Jul 20 15:01
You see it too in the transliteration of Hindi. Ex-India cricket captain Sourav Ganguly has the same name as badminton star Sourabh Verma. It's the same as Cove and Cobh - different spellings of the same word, depending on whether you want to reproduce the 'v' sound with a modified 'b' or the letter v itself.
By:
screaming from beneaththewaves
When: 06 Jul 20 15:08
The 'b' sound is just a voiced version of the 'p' sound (exactly the same lip movements). Which is why the name Steven can also be spelt Stephen. Here the letter p is modified with a squiggle (or letter h) to provide the 'v' sound, the same way bh become v in Cobh and Cove.
By:
Petraco
When: 06 Jul 20 15:14
If you want to be called cove why not spell it cove? 

Simples Cool
By:
workrider
When: 06 Jul 20 15:15
Ruby Walsh , would also be known as Ruby Welsh in certain parts of Ireland , again its how locals pronounce it...
By:
Gibberish
When: 06 Jul 20 15:21
Thanks Pavlo Wink
By:
Art Decko
When: 06 Jul 20 20:28
Commentator way off with the pronunciation of SIDEREAL in the 20.15 tonight.

Meaning="with respect to the distant stars (i.e. the constellations or fixed stars, not the sun or planets)."

Pronounced: SIGH-DEER-EE-AL (emphasis on second syllable).
By:
onlooker
When: 06 Jul 20 20:34
Well-named, too ...

Sire:
    Galileo (IRE) (11.2f)
Dam:
    Starlit Sands (GB)

Mind you - Could have been even better if the Sire had been - Sea The Stars
By:
blackbarn
When: 06 Jul 20 20:39
Workrider - hope you are well.

Your Wagner story reminded me of a related one. A group of students were set a creative thinking test. They were asked "If the answer is 9W, what is the question?"

The best question was "Do you spell your name with a V, Herr Wagner?"
By:
Art Decko
When: 06 Jul 20 21:04
took me a couple of seconds to get the Wagner one ...excellent brainteaser.
By:
workrider
When: 06 Jul 20 21:08
Thanks for asking Blackbarn, still not 100% even though i'm out of hospital 3 months, this covid is something else , doctor is keeping me on blood thinners , still waiting for hospital to tell me if the clots on the lungs have gone, broken ribs a lot better , walked up a mountain last week and playing golf twice a week , plus went to Naas and Bellewstown on Sat, so well on the road to recovery thanks..Vagner eh...Laugh
By:
peckerdunne
When: 06 Jul 20 21:44
took me a couple of seconds to get the Wagner one ...excellent brainteaser.

Yeah, at least one up from a jigsaw of the sky Laugh
By:
peckerdunne
When: 06 Jul 20 21:48
COBH is the spelling representing the the town of COBH

If you change it to COVE or any other, it makes the whole thing pointless.

You would think a professional would do his homework, in this case about 2 minutes would suffice.
By:
peckerdunne
When: 06 Jul 20 21:50
Irish politicians and media speaking on Bregzit is what gives me the hump.
By:
peckerdunne
When: 06 Jul 20 21:51
Not to mention Westminister Grin
By:
Art Decko
When: 06 Jul 20 22:02
Interesting username, peckerdunne.

I was fortunate enough to meet (and play with) your namesake some thirty years ago. A fine singer and an equally fine banjo player. Not quite Barney McKenna level, but still excellent.
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