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thebootman
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Tote - change to place term rules for pool betting at Royal Ascot

Please be aware that due to the inclusion of world pool bettors(Hong Kong etc), The Tote have altered the place terms for bets during Royal Ascot.

Perhaps the main difference is that a 4th place finish in a 16+ runner handicap will mean you are out of the placepot. Likewise don't throw your ticket away if you are 3rd in a 7 runner race you would still be in

Worth a read of their rules - https://tote.co.uk/racing/info/tote-superpools
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Report the dealer June 15, 2020 7:49 PM BST
don't take that as gospel as I cant find the relevant post
Report penzance June 15, 2020 7:55 PM BST
dealer
think it's one pool,placepot 1st 3 only.
Report glentoby June 15, 2020 7:56 PM BST
Wrong the dealer but right as you said,already discussed.Only ONE pool for Ascot,the other meetings are as per normal Tote UK. HTH and Pisspot 3 places 7+ runners and 1st 3 regardless if 33 runners in a handicap for Ascot.
Report the dealer June 15, 2020 7:57 PM BST
apologies, that would be why I couldn't find the post
Report penzance June 15, 2020 7:57 PM BST
scoop6 1st 3 places only aswell,dealer.
Royal  Ascot only.
Report jamee1 June 15, 2020 8:34 PM BST
Nice idea to join the pools together but to change the placing rules that have been the same for years and years is risky. It will alienate many long-term players and risk ending up with some very unhappy punters. Imagine missing out on a big pot because you had the 4th in a 28-runner handicap!
Report doorman99 June 15, 2020 8:37 PM BST
How on earth did they dream this nonsense up. Incredible.
Report glentoby June 15, 2020 8:45 PM BST
Agree jamee1,already discussed but you are correct,the morons i.e New owners harping on about liquidity etc are fukcing deluded in their ambition to attract high end punters.The TOTE is a means for the masses and no more,never has been and never will be.A simple licence to print money due to the takeout but these morons have learned NOTHING from multiple jurisdictions,those they have now invited into the "Superpool".

The liquidity might increase but the dividends will be only a fraction better at best even without the On Course books and returned "Industry SP",note how they are saying other jurisdictions bet more on exotics than win or place as part of their advertising? It is fact but means nothing other than their takeout will increase,next week it will be situation normal and downhill from there for the NANNY.

NAP
Report GLASGOWCALLING June 15, 2020 10:12 PM BST
Tote will continue to operate local pools at Ascot, other than those nominated as a ‘World Pool’ and commingled.


  .....  Correct Dealer. Happy
Report longbridge June 16, 2020 9:39 AM BST
Just seen this in the RP:

https://www.racingpost.com/tipping/beware-unusual-place-terms-on-ascot-tote-as-paul-kealy-shares-his-selections/437694
Report elisjohn June 16, 2020 9:53 AM BST
The 36 scheduled contests over the five days offer a wealth of punting opportunities and those using the Tote will be betting into newly launched Superpools.

Tote pool changes for Royal Ascot

Superpools have been created to reflect the super-sized pools generated from international co-mingling between pool betting operators around major race meetings.



This will ensure there is far greater liquidity as racing fans from around the world, including places such as Hong Kong, bet into one giant pool.

The World Pool was introduced at Royal Ascot last year with great success, as total pool turnover enjoyed a 415 per cent year-on-year increase, while the win pool for the 2019 Diamond Jubilee Stakes exceeded £1 million.

One important rule change to note for the duration of Royal Ascot for those betting into the pools is that the Tote will be paying on three places only for races with seven or more runners regardless of whether it is a handicap or not.

This change impacts all bets, whether a World Pool or not, and includes place, Quadpot, Placepot and Scoop 6 bets.

This rule change is not permanent and will not be a standard Tote or World Pool rule for future events.

For all our exclusive Royal Ascot free bet offers and must-have daily promotions click the free bets button or go to racingpost.com/freebets



FIRST PUBLISHED 7:26AM, JUN 16 2020Rainfall at the track has caused the going to be eased slightly on the morning of day one
Report GLASGOWCALLING June 16, 2020 10:00 AM BST
Betfair Placepot site is showing usual Terms and conditions. !!  IE 4 places 16 or more Hcp. ??
Report Lumberg June 16, 2020 10:31 AM BST
Wonder if doing it on a paper slip in bookies shop (one where stake doesn't go into the tote pools) will have normal placepot terms?
Report GLASGOWCALLING June 16, 2020 10:37 AM BST
Betfair miles behind as usual, no sign of betting into  " world pools " ... same old tote logos and usual Terms and

conditions !!
Report big dunc June 16, 2020 11:45 AM BST
I can't see it anywhere were you can put a superpool placepot on ?
Report Ibrahima Sonko June 16, 2020 12:15 PM BST
Im confused.
Report Movewiththetimes June 16, 2020 12:19 PM BST
£110K isn't alot for a world pool unless they add the other pools after the 1st race Confused
Report acey deucy June 16, 2020 12:21 PM BST
No confusion if your betting in the Placepot atAscot you will be in the Super Pool.
Report acey deucy June 16, 2020 12:22 PM BST
So first three in the first or your out.
Report giggitygiggity June 16, 2020 12:22 PM BST
I used the tote website..do the foreigners even know what a placepot is?
Report big dunc June 16, 2020 12:24 PM BST
I don't think we have a choice Sonko, I think we are in the superpool placepot and there is no normal placepot for Ascot
Report Ibrahima Sonko June 16, 2020 12:26 PM BST
I did mine on here, no where did it say i was in a 'superpool' ?
Report big dunc June 16, 2020 12:27 PM BST
I hope not giggity, I cracked a placepot at Chester about 3 years ago and got 8,000 off it,

a guy in Australia I think put 1.3 million into the pool by mistake and never cracked it Laugh
Report acey deucy June 16, 2020 12:27 PM BST
It's paying fack all anyway.Laugh
Report Ibrahima Sonko June 16, 2020 12:28 PM BST
Might pay loads if battash boils over and the Irish hotpot sinks.
Report big dunc June 16, 2020 12:29 PM BST
Same on 365 Sonko but in the first race on the placepot pool it says places 1 2 3
Report acey deucy June 16, 2020 12:30 PM BST
£30 MAX Dividend.Grin
Report big dunc June 16, 2020 12:30 PM BST
You must have the same numbers as me Acey Laugh
Report Ibrahima Sonko June 16, 2020 12:31 PM BST
I have done loads of outsiders Scared
Report giggitygiggity June 16, 2020 12:32 PM BST
I've done a big straight..then another one with 2 outsiders each race
Report acey deucy June 16, 2020 12:32 PM BST
Yes dunc i am just using this as a warm up for Tomorrow.Grin
Report Ibrahima Sonko June 16, 2020 1:19 PM BST
I got 4th Cry

Backed the winner but didnt put it in my placepot. Plain
Report morpteh mackem June 16, 2020 1:19 PM BST
i got 4th tooSad
Report tony6499 June 16, 2020 1:22 PM BST
Only a final pool of £226k, thought it would be a super pool ?
Report acey deucy June 16, 2020 1:22 PM BST
Out in the first ffs.Sad
Report morpteh mackem June 16, 2020 1:24 PM BST

Jun 16, 2020 -- 7:22AM, tony6499 wrote:


Only a final pool of £226k, thought it would be a super pool ?


same here, looks lot smaller than usual.

Report big dunc June 16, 2020 1:24 PM BST
I knew you had the same as me acey Laugh
Report Ibrahima Sonko June 16, 2020 1:25 PM BST
Superpool my arris.
Report big dunc June 16, 2020 1:27 PM BST
66,000 going through if it's first 3

82,000 if the first 4 punters are still praying
Report the dealer June 16, 2020 1:31 PM BST
limited amount of betting shops open, will affect the pool size.
Report Ibrahima Sonko June 16, 2020 1:35 PM BST
Anyone have a link to the new rules as the page i am looking at states first 4 in handicap of 16+ ?
Report big dunc June 16, 2020 1:37 PM BST
65,000 GONE THROUGH,

UNLUCKY 4TH PLACERS
Report GLASGOWCALLING June 16, 2020 1:44 PM BST
Cliffs of capri here as well. Sad
Report penzance June 16, 2020 1:45 PM BST
sorry about the aftertiming,sometimes this
forum won't load.
Had the 3rd there.
rest are -
2nd- 3,6,11
3rd- 5
4th- 2
5th- 1
6th- 8,10.(tot,18 x 50p = £9.00)
   GL ALL
Report xmoneyx June 16, 2020 1:48 PM BST
front two market 115

murphy 18th beat dettori 19th Wink
Report GLASGOWCALLING June 16, 2020 1:48 PM BST
.... All b/f had to do was put a " worldpool " logo on the p/p page and everyone would have known, but they were still

showing the usual p/p logo with the normal terms and conditions. !!  Mischief
Report GLASGOWCALLING June 16, 2020 1:51 PM BST
https://www.scoop6.co.uk/placepot/Ascot/
Report Greg_Gory June 16, 2020 2:08 PM BST
https://www.totepoolliveinfo.com/


click the Multi race pools
Report Greg_Gory June 16, 2020 2:11 PM BST
Thousands of on course fun bets missing from the pool aswell
Report StewB June 16, 2020 2:59 PM BST
silly...a 8 runner hcap give u the normal 3 places...so a 28 runner hcap, still only get 3 places !! Cry
Report Ibrahima Sonko June 16, 2020 3:04 PM BST
i had the first 2 in the 3.00 Cry
Report FrankRA June 16, 2020 3:12 PM BST
The 3.00 will only be 1st 2.
Report FrankRA June 16, 2020 3:14 PM BST
Just under 3492 left.
Report acey deucy June 16, 2020 3:20 PM BST
I thought it might pay well.Mischief
Report xmoneyx June 16, 2020 3:24 PM BST
anyone still in
Report Ibrahima Sonko June 16, 2020 3:27 PM BST
Acey Cool
Report FrankRA June 16, 2020 3:28 PM BST
Yes I am still in,have got 2.8.11 in the next and 8.11 in the last.
Report giggitygiggity June 16, 2020 3:30 PM BST
I need Equilateral and Magic lily...for the QuadpotCrazy
Report BARROWBOY June 16, 2020 3:31 PM BST
I’m still going,classic aftertime!,but you did ask.
Got bataash & liberty beach in the next,& lavender blue ,queen power in the last for a quid at the mo
Report Ibrahima Sonko June 16, 2020 3:35 PM BST
good luck
Report xmoneyx June 16, 2020 4:45 PM BST
Dividend of £176.10 to a £1 stake won by 1284.28 units
Report number 7 June 16, 2020 6:36 PM BST
I think this will put off quite a number of people who enjoy this bet, the pool sizes will drop off
Report BARROWBOY June 16, 2020 6:42 PM BST
I had it today for £2,but feel a bit cheated had the 4th in the opener,god knows what the thinking is behind changing the place rules.
Report glentoby June 16, 2020 6:49 PM BST
It is to fit in with the other jurisdictions Barrowboy,their systems not geared up for 4 places,the only upside is the 3 places for 7 runner races,that said only a tiny percentage of the PP is contributed by them.
Report saxon farm June 16, 2020 7:25 PM BST
Why the hell do they do this? The rest of the world do not comprehend the placepot.

Suddenly, last night I am informed BY THIS FORUM that the goalposts have changed to a bet I found enjoyable but unprofitable for 30 years.

So annoying.
Report BARROWBOY June 16, 2020 9:54 PM BST
Just for the record why wasn’t the 3 place new rule used for the 7 runner race?
Report penzance June 16, 2020 9:59 PM BST
there were'nt a 7rnr race.
Report BARROWBOY June 16, 2020 10:02 PM BST
Sorry my mistake I thought the pyledriver race had 7 .
Report ivynook June 16, 2020 10:03 PM BST
This is not right for the Placepot at Ascot as HK is not betting into a Placepot pool and therefore the 1st four in the big 16-runner plus handicaps should stand as normal. Yes, commingling creates obvious liquidity and revenue for Ascot, but there is a distinct feel of the tail wagging the dog here. Hong Kong is running exotic pools on Ascot that the host venue does not (the Double Trio for example), therefore why should a pool it does not contribute to need to be altered?
Report GLASGOWCALLING June 16, 2020 10:07 PM BST
.. Not sure why ivynook but as you will know it is only for the duration of the ASCOT meeting.

The " worldpool" / " superpool hasnt been promoted enough imo.
Report glentoby June 16, 2020 10:14 PM BST
Co mingling is contrary to best advice for Social Distancing and exotics are not permitted in most jurisdictions or did I read wrong and the WHO recommend erotics and and mingling as a form of exercise?
Report penzance June 16, 2020 10:18 PM BST
as someone has said on this thread,that pool would've
been much bigger with race goers at the track .
Report glentoby June 16, 2020 10:22 PM BST
LOL from someone who is a critic of an opinion,FOLLOWERS of THIS game would not know that would they Penzance? Have you actually got anything worthwhile to discuss or are you just trolling?Wink
Report saxon farm June 16, 2020 10:25 PM BST
Quite bizarre that Tote decreed their inaugural Superpool should be at a racecourse that had washed its hands of their business, like Chesterbet, Ripon etc.
Report glentoby June 16, 2020 10:27 PM BST
Different ownership Saxon.
Report saxon farm June 16, 2020 10:30 PM BST
Penzance
Correct me by all means but tote pools have been unavailable at Ascot on course for well over a year. They went down the same route as Chester.
Report glentoby June 16, 2020 10:31 PM BST
There is no on course Tote saxon.
Report saxon farm June 16, 2020 10:33 PM BST
I realise that glentoby.
Hence my point!
Report glentoby June 16, 2020 10:33 PM BST
Btw they had the Worldpool for Ascot last year.
Report glentoby June 16, 2020 10:34 PM BST
The pools have nothing at all to do with the Course Saxon.
Report saxon farm June 16, 2020 10:48 PM BST
No more comment helpful or not from me. There is always one who has to say the final word.
Report Ibrahima Sonko June 16, 2020 11:02 PM BST
Surely the global managers at tote to promote their business all over the world have failed, if they got part of asia in on it then it could had been massive.

Think their was 370k in the pool today, usually 600K+ and at cheltenham it nears £1m. Maybe the oncourse punters do put in over half of the pool. Always thought it was serious punters who made the pool bigger away from the track.
Report the dealer June 16, 2020 11:10 PM BST
No more comment helpful or not from me. There is always one who has to say the final word. yes saxon his ego is that big it makes me wonder how he gets through the doors in his house.


IS..... thousands of betting shops still shut, that will have a big affect on placepot pools.
Report Ibrahima Sonko June 16, 2020 11:23 PM BST
Soz, thought bookies were open, not that i would venture into one.
Report the dealer June 16, 2020 11:29 PM BST
all Scottish and welsh shut, staggered opening in England, yes it seems on the betfair forum, to be selling your sole to the devil going in one Grin
Report tony6499 June 17, 2020 10:56 AM BST
Prince of Wales a bonus today then with 7 runners so 3 places going through which might dilute the payout though
Report glentoby June 17, 2020 11:54 AM BST
That is the rub Tony,gain a place but dilute the dividend if a fancied one fills the place.Only £88K in the pool so far so not going to be a bumper total.Had my 1st one of the week,just a single line.17,4,17,1,6,14 and last 4 in Quadpot.
Report morpteh mackem June 17, 2020 2:03 PM BST
still inShocked
Report giggitygiggity June 17, 2020 2:12 PM BST
Me too £10 straight..Alternative fact, Russian emperor, Convict, Addeybb, Fox premier, Mighty Gurkha
Report morpteh mackem June 17, 2020 2:19 PM BST
wow, next race looks a bugga.
Report giggitygiggity June 17, 2020 2:22 PM BST
Who have you got in this race?
Report themightymac June 17, 2020 2:23 PM BST
For anybody wanting the latest on the Placepot:

https://www.scoop6.co.uk/placepot/Ascot/
Report giggitygiggity June 17, 2020 2:25 PM BST
https://tote.co.uk/results/ascot/placepot/14:25
Report morpteh mackem June 17, 2020 2:33 PM BST

Jun 17, 2020 -- 8:22AM, giggitygiggity wrote:


Who have you got in this race?


i had 3, to nathaniel, kipps and arthurian fable.

Report morpteh mackem June 17, 2020 2:33 PM BST
banker in next- japan
Report giggitygiggity June 17, 2020 2:39 PM BST
G/L
Had winner in E/w multi bet but too greedy to perm my placepot Plain
Report morpteh mackem June 17, 2020 2:43 PM BST
cheers ta. at least if japan places my 3 selections are all drawn high in rh cup
Report acey deucy June 17, 2020 2:46 PM BST
Out in the first again.Sad
Report morpteh mackem June 17, 2020 3:31 PM BST
Sad
Report xmoneyx June 19, 2020 4:37 PM BST
friday

Dividend of £248.90 to a £1 stake
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