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Gary Wiltshire taks about the ring and exchanges
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Twizzle - "Just had it confirmed from a friend of mine that GW and Selby knocked him for a ton"
Can you elaborate on that? Do you mean regarding Norton's Coin? If so, what about 200/1? Also, he mentioned a bookie from Lancs area called Gillibrand. I think he got his name wrong as I seem to recall a G.H.Gillibrand, cigar-smoking layer in about 1980 who used to be oop North a lot. I have distant memories of a regular chant of his in a gruff, Tommy Cooper/Les Dawson tone..."7/4 the field"  |
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You obviously won't be starting a GW fanclub Gibberish
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GH - as I said in my previous lengthy post...I didn't used to mind him and I always thought critics
were a bit nasty, just because he was a lard-árse, which is quite sizist. That prejudice came out to play with me after listening to that link as it seemed to be the first weapon I reached for..it's just a very lazy & convenient insult. I thought he came across as despicable in that podcast...whether he's telling the truth or lying, he can't win and get out of it with any pride. I thought I'd listen in as he's always been a bit of a raconteur (though not in the Mark Prescott mould) but ultimately it wasn't worth listening to - I'm saving a few on here from wasting 90 minutes! Am I the only one who smells a rat about his lies? |
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just another cockney wide boy is how he comes across to me after hearing from the horses mouth how he ripped people off and glorified in getting away with it.
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in his book the nortons coin bet was with someone else
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Gibberish layer was jh Gillibrand from Blackpool.Often used to give sweets away.Sadly killed by train had lots of pitches betting without fav and on the photo distance.
Was a pleasant geezer. |
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the layer was con wilson from northampton,£1000 e/w at 200/1 from his book
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I was at Ascot for Frankie day,and witnessed the sheer panic,hysteria,trepidation etc. for the last leg.Obviously many books thought that it was only "running up money" for the last leg,and accomodating the firms trying to shorten it up,so laying 5/2 9/4 2/1 what was really a 16/1 shot looked great,fill your boots.
However,would any sensible bookmaker risk all on this.I think not,and find it hard to believe that the subject of this thread went in so deep as to be practically wiped out.It was one race ,and bookmakers bet on 100s of races/year,so it is hard to see why over £1000,000 would,or should be risked,even though you could lay it "cheaply". Yes,they were having a bad losing day,but it goes on the year,not the day. No logic at all,so may not have been the case. |
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Hologon - that was it...JH not GH.
Gazo - was he laying off? He did say £250 E/W in that podcast and emphasised that he fancied it. I think Chav's spot-on in how he comes across. |
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he didnt say anything about laying off,i cant remember why but he wasnt at cheltenham that day he watched it in the hotel he was staying at
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its funny after reading the terimon story on here but some of his mates didnt think the bookmaker would pay out
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Gazo - I think it's 34 minutes in when he speaks about Terimon...it'll save you a bit of time
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Gillibrand was a brilliant operator very entertaining to.
Hologon I wasn’t aware he was killed by a train. |
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They mentioned that on the podcast...referring to the 'Alan Bradley' similarities with the Coronation Street story line.
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Irrespective of the place bets on Terimon what about the win bets if it had won,would he have done a runner ?
GW was very good friends of London gangster Bobby Warren,who stitched me up over a bet on a horse that was awarded a race after a late stewards inquiry,I lost the ticket,while I was looking for it(I didnt find it),he left the course,when I finally saw him about 6 weeks later,he denied that I had had the bet with him ,but there were only 6 bookmakers at the course,I knew I had had the bet with him,this was confirmed by 2 of the other bookmakers that were there that day. Gary Selby another piece of scum,at a point to point some years ago he had a £60.00 hedging bet with me 2 races before the end,after the last my clerk said did you get the £60.00 from Selby,I said no and I turned round to ask him as he was standing next to me,but he had already left the course,which was unusual for him as he normally took his time but this time he had rushed off,then at the next meeting when I told him he owed me £60.00 he was adamant he had paid me,I know he hadnt as the money that day was £70.00+ short,the £10+would have been for 3 burgers and teas. Summing up I wouldnt trust them with my grandmother. |
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Twizzle - "Just had it confirmed from a friend of mine that GW and Selby knocked him for a ton"
Can you elaborate on that? Do you mean regarding Norton's Coin? If so, what about 200/1? I will read you the text he sent me.... It was a Monday and him and his wannabe Gary Selby ,who now bets on course,were going to Windsor.They had a £100 phone bet and i never saw either of them again.They used to try and have me over with match betting on the golf,but i was too good for them at the time.It was quite scary actually because they would choose the players and i would price them up.They would have acca's that would come to fortunes and i had no way of hedging,right pair of chancers. |
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Foxy,yes sadly it was suicide apparently he could not cope with the new technologies involved in the business
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I remember talking to a bookmaker in Tatts before the last leg,and he said that he wouldn't be at all surprised if they let Frankie in on his mount,and he would only lay it for his usual liability,and not go out on a limb because he could get it cheap.
So you are left asking yourself did GW really lose so much,and why take such a huge risk.To me it doesn't ring true,and I did listen to the Star ---- interview. |
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Thanks for the reply hologon I was aware of the 2 nd part,
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so it seems the larger than life persona harbours a darker side
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chavman01 May 20 10:35
31.50 into the podcast just to confirm |
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foxy , gillibrand was diagnosed with terminal cancer. took the train exit...…..sorry , more bad news
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fare dodger
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Sometimes it's better just to post nothing, chav
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The tarif of life takes too many too soon jimmy as we all know
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gillibrand was a gentleman of the highest order he laid somebody I know am eachway treble approx. 20yrs ago that copped and came to over £100k and he paid every shilling after he died[sadly]I had some dealings with his daughter who was also of the same mould RIP much respect
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flash gilli owned most of the amusment arcades in Blackpool.
is prices on the photo made me laugh. ev dh 4/5 short head n/o head ev neck 4/1 half a length and that was before the nose came in hope you are well stay safe Ronnie. |
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Ronnie yes am well and now and going forward will appreciate the things I love much more ie racing and the pub in no particular order getting back to gilli and the big bet he honoured the chap who placed the bet over the phone to gillis credit office asked me if I thought he would get paid I asked Gordon who I believe worked for him at that time and Gordon said wont be a bother and it wasnt
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What GW did regards Terimon was wrong but I`m certain he regrets it and he did state in the interview that he did a horrible thing.
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would you bet with him now
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by his own admission he wont stand a lumpy bet he dont like on a shortie
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but hell stand rags all day.......payout might be complicated
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Yes Chav, I would bet with GW. I think he is an honourable man and deeply regrets the Terimon e/w affair.
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fair dos,dunno if id bother myself,oh well.
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Why does a bookmaker receive plaudits for paying out the bets he took?
He's doing what he's supposed to. It makes him no more honourable than anyone else, imo |
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Well he's more honourable than the ones that don't. Internet is infested with online firms who renege on winnings. Most from overseas. Been plenty of threads about such firms.
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"Yes Chav, I would bet with GW. I think he is an honourable man and deeply regrets the Terimon e/w affair"
TMM - you're a stalwart of the forum but I can't say I've ever seen a comment from you (over many years) which I disagree with more - it's just not good enough to reflect on an incident, even years later, and put it down as a one-off. I'm sure it wasn't. F&I - I might be wrong but I can't help wonder whether the poor guy was already dead in reference to Flash Bookie's post. Either way, I DO see that as honorable...though fully expected. Also - I don't query Frank RA's post earlier...we heard the evidence from the horse's mouth in that podcast. I don't see anyone in support of my bullshítting/embellishment theory - I reckon that's very plausible. I can't recall the last time I went from thinking someone was OK...to being an absolute skunk in a few minutes - not good Gary, and I'm being reserved in saying that |
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"Yes Chav, I would bet with GW. I think he is an honourable man and deeply regrets the Terimon e/w affair"
TMM - you're a stalwart of the forum but I can't say I've ever seen a comment from you (over many years) which I disagree with more - it's just not good enough to reflect on an incident, even years later, and put it down as a one-off. I'm sure it wasn't. F&I - I might be wrong but I can't help wonder whether the poor guy was already dead in reference to Flash Bookie's post. Either way, I DO see that as honorable...though fully expected. Also - I don't query Frank RA's post earlier...we heard the evidence from the horse's mouth in that podcast. I don't see anyone in support of my bullshítting/embellishment theory - I reckon that's very plausible. I can't recall the last time I went from thinking someone was OK...to being an absolute skunk in a few minutes - not good Gary, and I'm being reserved in saying that |
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chavman03 May 20 09:56
seems to me he likes embellishing his stories a bit S P E C S A V E R S |
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Gibberish "Yes Chav, I would bet with GW. I think he is an honourable man and deeply regrets the Terimon e/w affair"
My opinion of him gone right down listening to that. Wrong about Nashwan being odds on, Terimon being bigger than 500/1. Was it talk bollocks time or cheap spiv behaviour? Glad he got nailed at Ascot now, got what he deserved for being greedy. |