Gary Wiltshire taks about the ring and exchanges

Yes, but it's turned into a headache now.

welched on 200/1 ew terrimon ?

Gary thinks all the punters love Thommo TV at Chelmsford and they could do with someone like him at the likes of  Ludlow ...god forbid

Perverse that he robbed the Terimon ew punters and much later sells his house to honour his debts
to Corals after laying Fujiyama Crest at Ascot.

What is this Terimon story?  Never heard of this before.

I thought he came across as a decent guy

Re.Terimon was a large price but he paid restricted odds 4/1 a place  he said

31.50 into the podcast

90 % of books will have pulled strokes on the hill in those days.

That's disgusting regards Terimon and will have to revise my opinion of the man.

Thanks hologon, by the way.

He laid Terimon at 200/1 and when he found out he had a liability of £35 at 40/1 the places he put
a sign up on his board of maximum 4/1 odds a place when the fav is odds on.

I knew Gary many moons ago when he had a book at Oxford dogs. When the BAGS meetings started ALLEGEDLY he would have people betting in the the big 4 bookies around the country and would push out the SP at the death.

mmmalushka
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He laid Terimon at 200/1 and when he found out he had a liability of £35 at 40/1 the places he put
a sign up on his board of maximum 4/1 odds a place when the fav is odds on



If he can't pay by the proper place market rules then he should have been "win only".  No one forces them to accept EW  bets.

He should have hedged the each way bets and accepted a loss. The same as any bookmaker does if they lay one too heavily at too big a price.

He has absolutely hit the nail on the head.

Why would you want to go and bet with the on course bookmakers when anything unfavourable to them they look at you like a piece of filth.

Bar PC payers the bookmakers have no product.

Also I agree with the above.

You certainly do NOT need an on course pratt per course.

Interesting views on the failing attraction of actually going racing now most bookies are just "green up" arbers.

there are a few bookmakers on this forum who will be along to shortly to disagree with that

Many thanks Wolf for posting the link.I thoroughly enjoyed listening to GW chatting away about the" good ol days"..really fascinating.Also the Michael Holding interview was a great listen.Excellent podcasts hosted by john Babb and Sam Turner which i have subsequently bookmarked. John and Sam both have a dearth of Sporting knowledge and are superb interviewers.

Twizzle I am sure you would enjoy the steve smith eccles and Terry Norman interviews as well

Thanks G...I'm currently listening to the Ed Freemantle interview but i will catch up on the two you recommend when its finished.

think GW didnt quite get the alan bradley bit near the end of the interview.

... wealth of sporting knowledge, not dearth.

dearth vader?

to be fair regarding terimon they had a tank of 800 quid. won 350 on the win book place part on terimon would cost them  1400 cacoethes was third cost them another 100 or so....id imagine they be lynched out on the downs if they ran out of money trying to pay everyone correctly....different times. remember no betfair or computers them days hard to keep track of the bets on a busy day in the ledger. id imagine they thought it was 70 pounds found

Anyone reckon that the fat twát is a lying lard-árse? 

Just pondering over that Terimon tale...does anyone think the fat-faced fcuk is bullshítting and embellishing a story?
I just had a check as I thought Nashwan was odds against, around 11/8 - he was returned 5/4 so that nonsense about being odds-on
is just balls, as it never was at any stage if memory serves - it was built up at the time as a big duel between him & Cacoethes.

As for Terimon...its SP was 500/1 and 1000 was freely available pre-race, as I remember thinking what scum (as usual) the bookies were
for only returning 500 on a rag with no chance - he said he laid at just 200 and paid 4/1 a place - 1/50th odds...Come racing!

Even thinking what he spoke about suggests to me that he's a heavyweight ****...and undoubtedly a tight-ársed welsher - makes you
think there's more than a grain of truth when he mentioned another bookie who advised someone not to bet with him as he wouldn't pay.

Then there was that tall tale about having £250 E/W at 200/1 Norton's Coins (sic) - he also said he 'thinks' he shared it! Really?
That's the type of bet you'd NEVER forget! Everyone knows it was 100/1 but he wasn't even crowing about getting double the price - I smell shíte.

Furthermore...no reasoning at all as to why he backed it - "I just fancied it" he said - despite as everyone knows that it didn't have a
realistic prayer! That is the bet of a compulsive gambler with money to burn, like Terry Ramsden...not a bookmaker!
If by some miracle he did place such a bet...he was laying it off - guaranteed!

He came across as very disingenuous throughout, especially later on when he was saying how much he deplored other bookmakers who cheer when there's an 'Annie Power' incident. Really? I could imagine his screams to be the loudest.

And to think I previously thought he was OK and didn't deserve all the flak he used to get - there wasn't enough of it!
He deserves to have been 36 stone!

I know I've got my sizist head on tonight but he's fcukin' filth and deserves it all

PS - I'll save anyone wasting 90 minutes by having to endure his guff - the only aspect of interest was
right at the beginning when talking about on-course arbers using Bumfair who don't take any chances.

That said...thanks for the link Wolf - there may well be better podcasts in future.

ambush
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to be fair regarding terimon they had a tank of 800 quid. won 350 on the win book place part on terimon would cost them  1400 cacoethes was third cost them another 100 or so....id imagine they be lynched out on the downs if they ran out of money trying to pay everyone correctly....different times. remember no betfair or computers them days hard to keep track of the bets on a busy day in the ledger. id imagine they thought it was 70 pounds found



I'm sure Gary Selby would not have had trouble keeping track of the bets that day, ambush. Any decent clerk back then would have managed that quite comfortably without the aid of a computer.

I was at Wolverhampton one afternoon, and closely observing the Ring as the horses went down to the start. A horse I wanted to back had started to drift badly. Wiltshire had pushed it out to the biggest price of all, so I went up to him asking for my usual £150 bet.

Now, I'm deaf, and Gary knows this, and he hesitated, said something to me with a sympathetic look on his face, and pointed to the far side of the track, where the horse I wanted to back was running away with its rider. Obviously the commentator must have alerted everybody, but Gary knew I wouldn't have heard that.

I thanked him very much and avoided backing the horse, which finished tailed off.

So, whatever he might have got up to when times were tough (and I'm not at all comfortable with his behaviour regarding Terimon on the face of it), by the time he'd become a big player in the Ring, he was a proper bloke as far as I was concerned.

I agree that Wiltshire comes out of the interview very badly ... to admit to cheating as he does does not reflect well on the Bookmaking Industry even if it happened a long time ago ... they have always had a bad reputation & this merely reinforces it. Sad that the interviwers didn't quiz him on it either & seemed to regard it all with a bit of hilarity .. how the hell do you get punters to go to race meetings when things like this happen ... its cheating and in a nasty way.

The fat fella comes across as a right kernt

seems to me he likes embellishing his stories a bit

If he was up to pulling strokes like the Terimon debacle it's no wonder he made it to the 'big' ring.
Maybe Karma caught up with him in the end.

Just had it confirmed from a friend of mine that GW and Selby knocked him for a ton.He was a one man band and at the time could ill afford to lose that ton.Looks like Gibberish and geordie are correct in their assumption.

knocked for a ton..!!  The bookmakers these days knock for 10 times that on a daily basis. They are the worst the industry has ever had. Should be made to lay any bet to lose a minimum of £5k or have their licenses revoked. Simple.. get traders that have both knowledge and some balls. No palpable error messages, make a book, get the book right and stop hedging. If they can’t afford the liability.. then go and do something else.

I agree...get rid of BOG, stop closing accounts on a whim and start laying .Stop trying to cajole people into the casino area you utter fcking knuts.

Twizzle - "Just had it confirmed from a friend of mine that GW and Selby knocked him for a ton"

Can you elaborate on that? Do you mean regarding Norton's Coin? If so, what about 200/1?

Also, he mentioned a bookie from Lancs area called Gillibrand. I think he got his name wrong as I
seem to recall a G.H.Gillibrand, cigar-smoking layer in about 1980 who used to be oop North a lot.
I have distant memories of a regular chant of his in a gruff, Tommy Cooper/Les Dawson tone..."7/4 the field"

You obviously won't be starting a GW fanclub Gibberish

GH - as I said in my previous lengthy post...I didn't used to mind him and I always thought critics
were a bit nasty, just because he was a lard-árse, which is quite sizist.

That prejudice came out to play with me after listening to that link as it seemed to be the first
weapon I reached for..it's just a very lazy & convenient insult.

I thought he came across as despicable in that podcast...whether he's telling the truth or lying, he
can't win and get out of it with any pride.

I thought I'd listen in as he's always been a bit of a raconteur (though not in the Mark Prescott mould)
but ultimately it wasn't worth listening to - I'm saving a few on here from wasting 90 minutes!

Am I the only one who smells a rat about his lies?

just another cockney wide boy is how he comes across to me after hearing from the horses mouth how he ripped people off and glorified in getting away with it.

in his book the nortons coin bet was with someone else

Gibberish layer was jh Gillibrand from Blackpool.Often used to give sweets away.Sadly killed by train had lots of pitches betting without fav and on the photo distance.
Was a pleasant geezer.

the layer was con wilson from northampton,£1000 e/w at 200/1 from his book

I was at Ascot for Frankie day,and witnessed the sheer panic,hysteria,trepidation etc. for the last leg.Obviously many books thought that it was only "running up money" for the last leg,and accomodating the firms trying to shorten it up,so laying 5/2 9/4 2/1 what was really a 16/1 shot looked great,fill your boots.
  However,would any sensible bookmaker risk all on this.I think not,and find it hard to believe that the subject of this thread went in so deep as to be practically wiped out.It was one race ,and bookmakers bet on 100s of races/year,so it is hard to see why over £1000,000 would,or should be risked,even though you could lay it "cheaply".
   Yes,they were having a bad losing day,but it goes on the year,not the day.
   No logic at all,so may not have been the case.

Hologon - that was it...JH not GH.

Gazo - was he laying off? He did say £250 E/W in that podcast and emphasised that he fancied it.
I think Chav's spot-on in how he comes across.

he didnt say anything about laying off,i cant remember why but he wasnt at cheltenham that day he watched it in the hotel he was staying at

its funny after reading the terimon story on here but some of his mates didnt think the bookmaker would pay out

Gazo - I think it's 34 minutes in when he speaks about Terimon...it'll save you a bit of time

Gillibrand was a brilliant operator very entertaining to.

Hologon I wasn’t aware he was killed by a train.

They mentioned that on the podcast...referring to the 'Alan Bradley' similarities with the Coronation Street story line.

Irrespective of the place bets on Terimon what about the win bets if it had won,would he have done a runner ?

GW was very good friends of London gangster Bobby Warren,who stitched me up over a bet on a horse that was awarded a race after a late stewards inquiry,I lost the ticket,while I was looking for it(I didnt find it),he left the course,when I finally saw him about 6 weeks later,he denied that I had had the bet with him ,but there were only 6 bookmakers at the course,I knew I had had the bet with him,this was confirmed by 2 of the other bookmakers that were there that day.

Gary Selby another piece of scum,at a point to point some years ago he had a £60.00 hedging bet with me 2 races before the end,after the last my clerk said did you get the £60.00 from Selby,I said no and I turned round to ask him as he was standing next to me,but he had already left the course,which was unusual for him as he normally took his time but this time he had rushed off,then at the next meeting when I told him he owed me £60.00 he was adamant he had paid me,I know he hadnt as the money that day was £70.00+ short,the £10+would have been for 3 burgers and teas.

Summing up I wouldnt trust them with my grandmother.

Twizzle - "Just had it confirmed from a friend of mine that GW and Selby knocked him for a ton"

Can you elaborate on that? Do you mean regarding Norton's Coin? If so, what about 200/1?


I will read you the text he sent me....

It was a Monday and him and his wannabe Gary Selby ,who now bets on course,were going to Windsor.They had a £100 phone bet and i never saw either of them again.They used to try and have me over with match betting on the golf,but i was too good for them at the time.It was quite scary actually because they would choose the players and i would price them up.They would have acca's that would come to fortunes and i had no way of hedging,right pair of chancers.

Foxy,yes sadly it was suicide apparently he could not cope with the  new technologies involved in the business

I remember talking to a bookmaker in Tatts before the last leg,and he said that he wouldn't be at all surprised if they let Frankie in on his mount,and he would only lay it for his usual liability,and not go out on a limb because he could get it cheap.
   So you are left asking yourself did GW really lose so much,and why take such a huge risk.To me it doesn't ring true,and I did listen to the Star ---- interview.

Thanks for the reply hologon I was aware of the 2 nd part,

so it seems the larger than life persona harbours a darker side

chavman01 May 20 10:35
31.50 into the podcast

just to confirm

foxy , gillibrand was diagnosed with terminal cancer. took the train exit...…..sorry , more bad news

fare dodger

Sometimes it's better just to post nothing, chav

The tarif of life takes too many too soon jimmy as we all know

gillibrand was a gentleman of the highest order he laid somebody I know am eachway treble approx. 20yrs ago that copped and came to over £100k and he paid every shilling after he died[sadly]I had some dealings with his daughter who was also of the same mould RIP much respect

flash gilli owned most of the amusment arcades in Blackpool.
is prices on the photo made me laugh.
ev dh
4/5 short head
n/o head
ev neck
4/1 half a length
and that was before the nose came in
hope you are well
stay safe
Ronnie.

Ronnie yes am well and now and going forward will appreciate the things I love much more ie racing and the pub in no particular order getting back to gilli and the big bet he honoured the chap who placed the bet over the phone to gillis credit office asked me if I thought he would get paid I asked Gordon who I believe worked for him at that time and Gordon said wont be a bother and it wasnt

What GW did regards Terimon was wrong but I`m certain he regrets it and he did state in the interview that he did a horrible thing.

would you bet with him now

by his own admission he wont stand a lumpy bet he dont like on a shortie

but hell stand rags all day.......payout might be complicated

Yes Chav, I would bet with GW. I think he is an honourable man and deeply regrets the Terimon e/w affair.

fair dos,dunno if id bother myself,oh well.

Why does a bookmaker receive plaudits for paying out the bets he took?
He's doing what he's supposed to.
It makes him no more honourable than anyone else, imo

Well he's more honourable than the ones that don't. Internet is infested with online firms who renege on winnings. Most from overseas. Been plenty of threads about such firms.

"Yes Chav, I would bet with GW. I think he is an honourable man and deeply regrets the Terimon e/w affair"

TMM - you're a stalwart of the forum but I can't say I've ever seen a comment from you (over many years) which I disagree with
more - it's just not good enough to reflect on an incident, even years later, and put it down as a one-off. I'm sure it wasn't.

F&I -  I might be wrong but I can't help wonder whether the poor guy was already dead in reference to Flash Bookie's post.
Either way, I DO see that as honorable...though fully expected.

Also - I don't query Frank RA's post earlier...we heard the evidence from the horse's mouth in that podcast.

I don't see anyone in support of my bullshítting/embellishment theory - I reckon that's very plausible.
I can't recall the last time I went from thinking someone was OK...to being an absolute skunk in a few minutes - not good
Gary, and I'm being reserved in saying that

"Yes Chav, I would bet with GW. I think he is an honourable man and deeply regrets the Terimon e/w affair"

TMM - you're a stalwart of the forum but I can't say I've ever seen a comment from you (over many years) which I disagree with
more - it's just not good enough to reflect on an incident, even years later, and put it down as a one-off. I'm sure it wasn't.

F&I -  I might be wrong but I can't help wonder whether the poor guy was already dead in reference to Flash Bookie's post.
Either way, I DO see that as honorable...though fully expected.

Also - I don't query Frank RA's post earlier...we heard the evidence from the horse's mouth in that podcast.

I don't see anyone in support of my bullshítting/embellishment theory - I reckon that's very plausible.
I can't recall the last time I went from thinking someone was OK...to being an absolute skunk in a few minutes - not good
Gary, and I'm being reserved in saying that

chavman03 May 20 09:56
seems to me he likes embellishing his stories a bit

S P E C S A V E R S

Gibberish "Yes Chav, I would bet with GW. I think he is an honourable man and deeply regrets the Terimon e/w affair"

My opinion of him gone right down listening to that. Wrong about Nashwan being odds on, Terimon being bigger than 500/1. Was it talk bollocks time or cheap spiv behaviour?  Glad he got nailed at Ascot now, got what he deserved for being greedy.

i spose the laughable thing about the interview is,hes told you how thoroughly unscrupulous he is and then at the end hes putting the word out for someone to go into business with him....

From my collection of losing betting tickets

Cant be nice knowing Fatso might not of paid you out anyway.

i've still got about 11,000 of those , mr coat

Are you getting confused with old £20 notes adge ?

buying in bulk doesn't always work , democrat. I bought them 50,000 at a time

Have not read pages 2 and 3 of this thread but saw enough to be concerned by a popular misconception: that the more that bookmakers are restricted, the better odds a punter should get. Opposite is true.

Wiltshire happy to work in the resident's enclosure because they brought him food.

A guy who sees being 24 stone as a result, formerly having been 37 stone.

Now he wants someone to act as his 'Mr Motivator'



sounded desperate

You could still use them adge ! Or thinking about it - do you at the Points ?

Intersting thread, but nobody has made the real statement so here goes :

Who lost the most that day at Ascot ? Was it :

a) GW
b) Michael Tabor

I would bet :

a) 25.0
b) 1.04

Views ?

a) lost everything
b) possibly only a dent

B

The greater loss someone suffewrs is usually determined by the expression of pain ... for Wiltshire it would have been excruciating for Tabor likely a soreness

Appeared to deem the John Batten affair as humorous when relating the detail that the guy had the name 'Lucan' printed on his bookie tickets...

Bin-diving to retrieve some wilting Gladioli to sell on, with the subsequent teary tale of how he picked out a winning  super-yankee with some of the proceeds and decked out his first born with a perambulator (silver cross mind you) among other nursery couture was very moving

fast buck wideboy.avoid.

i bet with him once at folkestone had a silly £40 at 9/4 on a winner in about 96 he was rude and obnoxious when he paid out , he was a horrible fat **** then and nothing has changed my opinion since , effing lard arse ponce

jeez there are some charmers on here

Gary true gentleman

i just had to get it to 100

Never read so much bollox about GW experiences,he took the bets and he paid out,never so much as ever had a ticket from him.If he was not at his pitch his neighbour paid out on his behalf.His like are now a computer generated load of accounts which equates to a generation of idiots happy to lose to a screen?

NAP

DO YOU WIPE HIS BIG FAT ARSE FOR HIM

G&T - did you listen to his admission?
Any thoughts on that? It don't sound good

No,I did not and for good reason,most of us have a skeleton,if he has is and that is all.......what the fuc&.......would you have done different?

BTW guys,what do you think our own BARRY DENNIS would reply to my answers,he is here and never shy.

OVER TO YOU Baz?

Are you on the drink Glen haha?