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By:
happysandwich
When: 19 Apr 20 11:45
Watch all live Swedish racing here


https://www.atg.se/sport#home
By:
gm11
When: 19 Apr 20 12:15
Good call happysandwich ... two winners in the first three races ... could this be the goldmine I've been looking for lol
By:
Andrew.in.Sweden
When: 19 Apr 20 12:25
Ex Archie Watson trained fav in the 12.25
By:
happysandwich
When: 19 Apr 20 12:26
You can back at no. 7 Liquice @ 11/10 Jägersro Galopp 12.25.

Watch the race live and full screen – what uk racecourse does that kind of service?
By:
11kv
When: 19 Apr 20 12:29
Nice one Happy ,pity no place markets though .......
By:
11kv
When: 19 Apr 20 12:32
Fav jockey well beat and looking down at the horse LaughLaughLaugh same the world over...
By:
happysandwich
When: 19 Apr 20 12:32
^^^^

Lucky we didn’t.Laugh
By:
Andrew.in.Sweden
When: 19 Apr 20 12:34
The fav had poor form in England
By:
gm11
When: 19 Apr 20 12:34
Love the camera work with the drones as well
By:
11kv
When: 19 Apr 20 12:38
Decent pictures just wish I could understand Swedish for the interviews....
By:
gm11
When: 19 Apr 20 12:39
the trainer of the #3 I RELY in the next seems to do well with horses after a layoff (44% win)
By:
Andrew.in.Sweden
When: 19 Apr 20 12:44
Hapopysandwich,

I guess you will be laying Ventura Destiny, it used to race in UK under Middleham Park racing Wink
By:
brigust1
When: 19 Apr 20 12:50
Andrew how are you?

I have been waiting to ask a question, you always seemed so busy, maybe you may be able to find the answer for me?
I looked after a horse named Clovenford as a 2 year old in 1969. He won a race for me at Wolverhampton. He was sold over the winter and the only thing I heard about him afterwards was that he had won the Norwegian or the Swedish 2000 Guineas. Is that something you could find out?
By:
Andrew.in.Sweden
When: 19 Apr 20 13:02
Hi Laurie,

Good to hear from you. Yes busy, work-wise at least.

I can try to find out, but maybe the forum gurus GED, Blackbarn et all have a better chance. All my form books are home in Sweden and i'm in Germany at the moment (I think you know).

Being the Swedish 2000 Guineas, of course they had to rename it ...... 

Jockeyklubbens Jubileumslopning Wink
By:
brigust1
When: 19 Apr 20 13:07
Thanks Andrew. They may also have changed the horse's name and he may have only run in it not won it but I was told he won. I have my own formbooks etc but nothing Scandinavian. I will try the forum gurus but I may have to head towards the racing establishments to find out.
By:
Andrew.in.Sweden
When: 19 Apr 20 13:10
Laurie,

Clovenford won the Stockholm Cup in 1970 and again in 1971, but it was a DH in the latter.

Internationa
l was added to the race name in 1979. It's a G3 today, but it wasn't back then. The race is for 3 year olds over 12f.
By:
Andrew.in.Sweden
When: 19 Apr 20 13:27
Laurie,

http://www.ovrevoll.no/PageFiles/143903/Kalender%20uke%2036.pdf#page=28

use the link to see results of the two races.

Here is a translation of the race history (using Google, so not the best).

For 3-year-olds and older horses. The question is whether there is any official debut year for this race, which is under its current name for the first time 1979. The race has its roots in the "Grand Prix" on Ulriksdal, which was first ridden in 1937 and then over 1800 m.

In 1951, the race was called for the "Stockholm race" which in 1956 was changed to the Stockholm Cup. The year before, 1955, is galloping history, and a price increase of "10 times the money" guaranteed for a large international field after that measure that had to make up over 2400 m. German Atatürk won, and until 1959, which was as long as one could financially endure with the race at the time Ulriksdal at the time, won foreign-trained horses at every opportunity except 1958, when a cheerful Swedish Stratos won under Albert Klimscha (father of Albert Jr.).

After a break in 1960-62, the race was resumed in 1963 at Täby Galopp, but then with a considerable more modestly priced, and it wasn't until 1975 that the next big lift came. At that time the race could be ridden under the sponsor name Silja Line International with a first prize of SEK 90,000, close enough to triple from the previous year, when it went as a handicap over 2000 gr.

Then came another historic year, namely in 1979, when 10,000 spectators flocked to Täby to see the first edition of Stockholm Cup International which with the help of point grants from ATG received a first prize of a quarter of a million. At the same time, a large international jockey tournament (All Star Jockey Special) with Lester Piggott, PatEddery, Willy Carson and the new star shot from the US, Steve Cauthen (also reported in this publication).

Stockholm Cup International is the first race in Scandinavia that received Gr3 status according to today's international rules. The year was 1991. Not since 1994 when the late great coach Michael Kahn saddled out Mr Eubanks for the win, a Swedish-trained winner has been able to be led into the winning circle.
By:
Andrew.in.Sweden
When: 19 Apr 20 14:05
Another ex-Archie Watson 3 year old in the 14.11, My Motivate Girl.

Better form that his previous runner earlier on the card and has won on Tapeta at Wolverhampton.
By:
11kv
When: 19 Apr 20 14:37
Late suspend at 14.35 Jagersro race was half over....Laugh
By:
Andrew.in.Sweden
When: 19 Apr 20 14:44
11kv

Swedes are very charitable Laugh
By:
11kv
When: 19 Apr 20 14:50
Grin
By:
brigust1
When: 19 Apr 20 15:54
I have just seen it Andrew. Thank you. What a star. Cloveford was the only horse my Dad, who was really ill, went to the races to watch. He loved it. He was a sprinter I thought being by Ennis. All these years and I never knew. Thank you forum.
By:
Andrew.in.Sweden
When: 19 Apr 20 16:09
Laurie,

I also meant to mention, he didn't win the Swedish 2000 Guineas. The winner in 1970 was Sterling Bay.

I was checking results of the above and noticed Jimmy Fortune won it in successive years.
By:
brigust1
When: 19 Apr 20 18:30
Andrew, I am just pleased he won something of note. It was a long time ago and he was a sweet, good-tempered little horse.
By:
Andrew.in.Sweden
When: 19 Apr 20 19:07
Laurie,

Certainly a race of note, the largest prize in Sweden and he did it twice (one a DH).

A pity you didn't back him in 1970, odds of 24.7/1.
By:
brigust1
When: 19 Apr 20 20:00
I saw that Andrew. I'm afraid in the 70's contact wasn't so easy and any information was very hard to get. I can't remember who told me now. It must have been the boss. He wasn't sure what distance he needed and I thought he was sprinter.
Hearing that has really made my day. The one sad note is that my best mate who worked with me and we have been best friends ever since has dementia and doesn't remember him or his own horses. Really sad.
By:
brigust1
When: 19 Apr 20 21:05
That is how crazy some things are Andrew. If it wasn't for this coronavirus racing would still be on and no-one would be interested in Swedish racing hence I wouldn't have thought to ask you about a horse I looked after 51 years ago. Ain't life strange?
By:
ItsMeSwaddle
When: 20 Apr 20 12:08
Just had a look at this and without being insulting...is there only a few triers?

Jockeys/drivers in positions they simply couldnt win from.
By:
11kv
When: 20 Apr 20 12:11
Bit like F1,late money often gives a winner......
By:
ItsMeSwaddle
When: 20 Apr 20 12:15
Yes clearly a novice, but Ive just watched a race , 2 laps, where even by half way round the 2nd lap they are still sat like lemons, with one looping round the outside to go and win, you think everyone would want to pull out to deliver a challenge, even if it cant be sustained, rather than just sat with an a huge chance of being denied a run close to the inside?

Is it something to do with the trotting motion that stops them from quickening up when they fancy?
By:
11kv
When: 20 Apr 20 12:19
Andrew would be the best person he may know,I've noticed after the start a lot seem to just give up and pull to one side.[mainly at the back]

If you get a poor position behind the start car it looks to be game over..
By:
ItsMeSwaddle
When: 20 Apr 20 12:21
Its interesting to see different things but just makes me grateful for the system we have minus the prize money side.
By:
11kv
When: 20 Apr 20 12:32
Big priced winner in the last box seat all the way round......
By:
Andrew.in.Sweden
When: 20 Apr 20 13:55
Good afternoon Guys,

I'm not a big follower of the trotting game these days although i used to play years ago and have seen a few 'Eliteloppets' (championship festivals once a year on last Friday-Sunday in May at Solvalla) albeit many years ago. This festival has runners from many countries in Europe.

Note that trotting and pacing (common in Australia) are not the same.

There are no seasons for trotting in Sweden, it's an every day sport.

You will have noticed there are two types of starts, volt and auto, the latter behind a car with gates as wings as opposed to volt that resemnbles a NH start in osme respects. There are also handicaps where some of the field start 20 or 40 metres off the front pack.

The draw is very important, inside having an obvious advantage, although only if the horse gets away (aka Chester). Like all horse racing, there are those that can win from way back off the pace, so don't be too put off by a draw in 12-15, but it takes a decent horse/ride to do it.

Here is text from Wikipedia (italics)

The start of the races and the starting position (which equals a certain number as explained previously) are indeed important, independent of the start method. A very good horse in a race with weak opponents but with a bad start number (like 12 or higher) may not become the prime favorite due to the bad starting position, especially at short distance.

After the start the drivers fight to get a good running position. How well this succeeds depends on the horse, the starting position and how the opponents drive their horses. Due to the sulky width and the oval race track overtaking is a far more difficult manoeuver to achieve, in comparison with gallop racing. The "running position fight" during start and the beginning of the race usually ends in the first turn.

After the initial fight for good running position, the horses usually form two rows or tracks. Good running positions are the leading position of the inner track or the second (or third) place in the outer track. This is explained with the fact that the outer track is close to 15 meter longer per lap, front running is always heavier compared with just follow behind (just like in cycling).

Positions in the inner track behind the leader may appear the best. But as described before, overtaking is not an easy manoeuver. And horses in the inner track may very well be trapped all the way to the finish, due to the horses and sulkies in the outer track. On the other hand, if an opening in the outer track appears close to the finish line, such a horse have had "an easy ride" with much strength left to give.

The leading position of the outer track, also known as the position of "death", is a very hard position to run and only very strong horses can win from this position. If a horse completes the race from the "death" position, commentators often point that out when announcing the KM pace of the horse.

On short distance (1640 meter), the horse that gets the leading position of the inner track has a very good chance to be the winner. At longer races (with rather even competitors) running positions like second or third in the outer track have good chances, especially if the inner track horses get trapped behind a weakening front horse.
 

The important thing for the jockey is to get the horse into a trotting rhythmn, you will have seen many 'gallop' for varying reasons, even on the run-in. A horse isn't immediately disqualified if it breaks into a gallop, it has to be pulled back and returned to trotting and some have won after galloping.

There are several reasons that can render a DQ. 

From a betting perspective, most would be guessing unless you follow the sport/runners in Sweden, but don't be afraid to lay shorties, enough get beat. I also think that fancied runners on the inside are often over-bet.

I would rather be a layer than a backer, although horses like Mack Lobell and Queen L were money spinners back in time.

If you want to follow jockeys, look out for Erik Adielsson and Örjan Kihlström who would be akin to Jamie Spencer and late finishes, but much better at it.

If you want a couple of horses to follow, try Attraversiamo and Shocking Superman who may pay their way over the forthcoming months and could even be running at Åby this Saturday. Also look out for Propulsion who could be running at the same meeting.

Good luck all. Happy
By:
11kv
When: 20 Apr 20 14:00
Thanks Andrew.
By:
ItsMeSwaddle
When: 20 Apr 20 14:08
Tar
By:
Andrew.in.Sweden
When: 20 Apr 20 14:10
Varsågod Happy
By:
11kv
When: 20 Apr 20 14:16
I'm off to Denmark this afternoon......Laugh
By:
Andrew.in.Sweden
When: 20 Apr 20 14:33
I forgot to mention, if you want to read the previous form use the link that Happysandwich posted yesterday.

https://www.atg.se/sport#home

Simply go to the chosen race and click on name of the horse, all previous runs are shown.

If you want the tote win odds in descending order, click on 'V-odds' just above the column. If you want the horses in numerical draw, lick on 'hast'.
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