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Q and A’s regarding the competition format and rules.
How many selections must be made?
Over the month entrants must make 1 selection on at least 25 days.Anyone can join in at any time as long as this criteria can be met, so for the January comp, the 7th would be the latest possible time to join in.
The calculation for no shows which cannot be exceeded is Days Of The Month - 25
So for January 31-25 = 6 possible days when an entrant can refrain from offering a selection
Void runners will not be viewed in the same way.Whilst Substitutes can be offered along with the primary selection on any given day following all the usual rules, a failure to have offered up a substitute to replace a void runner will not be used as a strike in the same way as a No Show.So in theory for a month, an entrant may still be accepted for posting less than 25 selections so long as the no show limit is not exceeded.
Can I change my selection once it’s been posted.?
You can only change your selection IF it is either deemed void OR it is nonsensical, ie a horse that doesn’t exist given in error. If sub(s) have been offered they will be used instead.If no sub has been offered and the selection deemed void you can post another selection so long as it’s BEFORE the 15 min before first race time limit.
What criteria do selections need to satisfy?
Selections must be of odds no greater than 6.0 in any UK or IRE race under rules win or STANDARD place markets on Betfair.
Are win and place markets settled in the same way?
Win markets allow for a choice between an early price to be taken or BFSP, whereas place markets will ALWAYS be settled at BFSP.The reason for the difference being the sluggish liquidity difference between those markets and thus the credibility of early prices.
When must selections be posted? (please read this carefully)
A selections thread for the following days racing will usually be posted between 6-7pm, in the event I am not around at this time the selections thread may be put up sooner.Anyone who needs to post a selection sooner than the next days thread being active can message me and I will make sure their entry along with any substitutes is posted on that day’s selections thread.
The competition will have 2 phases for the selections process.
Phase 1 will be from the time the selections thread is posted until 8am the following day (race day).
In this phase there is an opportunity primarily for those that are not around on race day to still be able to take part.Selections given during this time will be settled at BFSP unless a bet meeting the competition liability (current bank / 20) is posted on the selections thread to show it was feasible. The reason for this request at this stage is the volatility and slackness of the market and subsequent ?? over the credibility of an early price taken.
Eg the starting liability in the comp is £50 so a qualifying bet at the stated price must be posted for a minimum of that liability to be settled as such.
Selections posted with prices that aren’t verified in the above fashion will still be allowed but settled at BFSP so long as they still satisfy the price limit of max odds 6.0.
Entrants are more than welcome to offer up to 2 substitutes to back up their primary entry in the event of that runner being deemed void.If 2 substitutes are offered they will replace the void selection in the order they are posted. In the unfortunate event the substitute(s) are also deemed void the entrant will be put down as a void selection day.
Eg
16:00 Haydock First Selection
Sub 15:55 Catterick Second Selection
Sub 13:20 Southwell Third Selection
Where 2 Subs are given they will be chosen in order posted rather than time of races.
Phase 2 will be from 8am until t-15mins of the FIRST RACE OF THE DAY (so if the first race of the day is 12:00 ALL ENTRIES FOR THE DAY must be in by no later than 11:45am.Any Entries past this time will not be allowed!
In this phase of the market, Entrants can take an early price (no posted bet required) as last price matched when posting or leave their selection to be settled at BFSP.Note again that place market selections will always be settled at BFSP at whatever phase of the markets.
How are selections staked and returns calculated?
Selections are staked to a fixed 5% liability of an entrant’s current bank with a 2% commission rate which recently has become widely available on Betfair.
Where a price has been taken this will be used in settlement even if the BFSP returns greater than the permitted 6.0 max limit.
If deductions occur in the market after this price was taken, the taken price will be adjusted accordingly and so will the relevant staking for that selection to stay at the 5% liability of current bank.
Where a price has not been taken settlement will as in phase 1 of the market be at BFSP.
Where can the current standings be seen and who wins the comp?
The days results will be posted on the days selections thread on this forum, the overall standings will be over on the Your Comps forum.The winner will be the entrant with the biggest bank at the end of the month.
How many selections must be made?
Over the month entrants must make 1 selection on at least 25 days.Anyone can join in at any time as long as this criteria can be met, so for the January comp, the 7th would be the latest possible time to join in.
The calculation for no shows which cannot be exceeded is Days Of The Month - 25
So for January 31-25 = 6 possible days when an entrant can refrain from offering a selection
Void runners will not be viewed in the same way.Whilst Substitutes can be offered along with the primary selection on any given day following all the usual rules, a failure to have offered up a substitute to replace a void runner will not be used as a strike in the same way as a No Show.So in theory for a month, an entrant may still be accepted for posting less than 25 selections so long as the no show limit is not exceeded.
Can I change my selection once it’s been posted.?
You can only change your selection IF it is either deemed void OR it is nonsensical, ie a horse that doesn’t exist given in error. If sub(s) have been offered they will be used instead.If no sub has been offered and the selection deemed void you can post another selection so long as it’s BEFORE the 15 min before first race time limit.
What criteria do selections need to satisfy?
Selections must be of odds no greater than 6.0 in any UK or IRE race under rules win or STANDARD place markets on Betfair.
Are win and place markets settled in the same way?
Win markets allow for a choice between an early price to be taken or BFSP, whereas place markets will ALWAYS be settled at BFSP.The reason for the difference being the sluggish liquidity difference between those markets and thus the credibility of early prices.
When must selections be posted? (please read this carefully)
A selections thread for the following days racing will usually be posted between 6-7pm, in the event I am not around at this time the selections thread may be put up sooner.Anyone who needs to post a selection sooner than the next days thread being active can message me and I will make sure their entry along with any substitutes is posted on that day’s selections thread.
The competition will have 2 phases for the selections process.
Phase 1 will be from the time the selections thread is posted until 8am the following day (race day).
In this phase there is an opportunity primarily for those that are not around on race day to still be able to take part.Selections given during this time will be settled at BFSP unless a bet meeting the competition liability (current bank / 20) is posted on the selections thread to show it was feasible. The reason for this request at this stage is the volatility and slackness of the market and subsequent ?? over the credibility of an early price taken.
Eg the starting liability in the comp is £50 so a qualifying bet at the stated price must be posted for a minimum of that liability to be settled as such.
Selections posted with prices that aren’t verified in the above fashion will still be allowed but settled at BFSP so long as they still satisfy the price limit of max odds 6.0.
Entrants are more than welcome to offer up to 2 substitutes to back up their primary entry in the event of that runner being deemed void.If 2 substitutes are offered they will replace the void selection in the order they are posted. In the unfortunate event the substitute(s) are also deemed void the entrant will be put down as a void selection day.
Eg
16:00 Haydock First Selection
Sub 15:55 Catterick Second Selection
Sub 13:20 Southwell Third Selection
Where 2 Subs are given they will be chosen in order posted rather than time of races.
Phase 2 will be from 8am until t-15mins of the FIRST RACE OF THE DAY (so if the first race of the day is 12:00 ALL ENTRIES FOR THE DAY must be in by no later than 11:45am.Any Entries past this time will not be allowed!
In this phase of the market, Entrants can take an early price (no posted bet required) as last price matched when posting or leave their selection to be settled at BFSP.Note again that place market selections will always be settled at BFSP at whatever phase of the markets.
How are selections staked and returns calculated?
Selections are staked to a fixed 5% liability of an entrant’s current bank with a 2% commission rate which recently has become widely available on Betfair.
Where a price has been taken this will be used in settlement even if the BFSP returns greater than the permitted 6.0 max limit.
If deductions occur in the market after this price was taken, the taken price will be adjusted accordingly and so will the relevant staking for that selection to stay at the 5% liability of current bank.
Where a price has not been taken settlement will as in phase 1 of the market be at BFSP.
Where can the current standings be seen and who wins the comp?
The days results will be posted on the days selections thread on this forum, the overall standings will be over on the Your Comps forum.The winner will be the entrant with the biggest bank at the end of the month.
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Absolutely Dylan [place] - 4.15 Catterick please se
Sub: Genuine Approval [place] - 3.30 Lingfield
Sub: Genuine Approval [place] - 3.30 Lingfield
Catterick 2.45 Sincerely Desdev
Sub :
Lingfield 5.00 Bold Decision
Good luck all.
Sub :
Lingfield 5.00 Bold Decision
Good luck all.
4.15 Catterick Granger Ranger, place market. Thank you.
2.30L Visibility 2TBP
Reserve
4.00L Dark Vader
Thanks Striding
Reserve
4.00L Dark Vader
Thanks Striding
The Composeur - 4.45 Catterick
Good luck all
Good luck all
Dark Vader. - 4-0 Lingfield @ 2.76.
Thanks SE.
Thanks SE.
Believe in love place 230 ling
Res the composer 445 Catt
Tks striding
GL all
Res the composer 445 Catt
Tks striding
GL all
MY choices are all risky that I wouldn't touch with real money. 
To sit out and use up last No Show or not sit out that is the question!, I really want to get back at least to levels this month.
VWD Posy on the 20 on the bounce at 9/2 avg odds not too shabby at all.
To sit out and use up last No Show or not sit out that is the question!, I really want to get back at least to levels this month.
VWD Posy on the 20 on the bounce at 9/2 avg odds not too shabby at all.
Good turn round from the man from the Dirty Dozen
Must have stopped shaving for the month
I did say i was after his place with under 2.0 tactics which need a rethink
Or maybe will level out - eventually
Must have stopped shaving for the month
I did say i was after his place with under 2.0 tactics which need a rethink
Or maybe will level out - eventually
I think a mix for me Hatters obviously around 6/4 Avg is my want but plenty of days there just isn't a strong one so have gone a bit bigger.
Real match play scenario with the tactics and of course at the end there will always be plenty of hail Mary's chucked around for the big scores.
Just want to start on the right foot in March without the dreaded 2 W's as has happened Jan and Feb, puts you on the backfoot.
Real match play scenario with the tactics and of course at the end there will always be plenty of hail Mary's chucked around for the big scores.
Just want to start on the right foot in March without the dreaded 2 W's as has happened Jan and Feb, puts you on the backfoot.
Managed to read your MJ race rightish last night
So hope there, albeit by a hd only
You gonna run this in March ?
So hope there, albeit by a hd only
You gonna run this in March ?
I think I got that MJ horse right too Hatters for me a doubtful stayer at present with the trip (it may strengthen up a bit eventually but not convinced.) 
They changed the tactics to the yard's default front running and it got eaten up to finish last it did look like one of his that bombs. I would think they would come back in trip again and front run and it could be very different especially going on the turf.
Yes defo running this march will see beyond that not sure.
They changed the tactics to the yard's default front running and it got eaten up to finish last it did look like one of his that bombs. I would think they would come back in trip again and front run and it could be very different especially going on the turf.Yes defo running this march will see beyond that not sure.
Againn Dul Aghaidh 4.15 Catterick-place market.
Thanks SE.
Thanks SE.
15:15 Catt Cuban Sun (p)
Dubious about this one's ability to handle conditions today. I like horses in these NH conditions to have won over 12f+ and be proven on the testing ground, the sire record for progeny on soft through to hvy is pretty poor too.
Nicholls horse all being well and no accidents definitely places in this race for me and I hope KD's is fit because conditions would pose no problems and he does well with this type from flat to hdls.Keighley horse unfortunately similar doubts to selection though soft has been ok.
All in all this isn't in the sweet spot by any means and I'd rather the price was nearer evens to place but I'll take a chance it gets bogged down under conditions.
Dubious about this one's ability to handle conditions today. I like horses in these NH conditions to have won over 12f+ and be proven on the testing ground, the sire record for progeny on soft through to hvy is pretty poor too.
Nicholls horse all being well and no accidents definitely places in this race for me and I hope KD's is fit because conditions would pose no problems and he does well with this type from flat to hdls.Keighley horse unfortunately similar doubts to selection though soft has been ok.
All in all this isn't in the sweet spot by any means and I'd rather the price was nearer evens to place but I'll take a chance it gets bogged down under conditions.
2.30 Lingfield, Caridus Mariblus. Place lay.
Ta SE.
Ta SE.
Above Board (place) Catterick 16-15 Thanks SE.
Couldn't find a fav to take on evens or below so gone for a place lay today, was my undoing last month so hoping it don't return. GL All.
Couldn't find a fav to take on evens or below so gone for a place lay today, was my undoing last month so hoping it don't return. GL All.
| Entrant | Selection (with price taken) | Sub 1 (with price taken) | Sub 2 (with price taken) | Rank | Bank |
| Lucky Luciano | 14:30 Ling Believe In Love 0.00 | 16:45 Catt The Composeur 0.00 | 19 | £962.70 | |
| east end boy | 14:30 Ling Believe In Love (p) 0.00 | 12 | £1046.14 | ||
| Invicta | 14:30 Ling Calidus Mirabilis 0.00 | 30 | £895.91 | ||
| Deplasterer | 14:30 Ling Calidus Mirabilis (p) 0.00 | 38 | £771.19 | ||
| dukeofpuke | 14:30 Ling Visibility 0.00 | 9 | £1074.21 | ||
| Flatcap | 14:30 Ling Visibility (p) 0.00 | 16:00 Ling Dark Vader 0.00 | 6 | £1149.23 | |
| happysandwich | 14:45 Catt Sincerely Resdev 0.00 | 17:00 Ling Bold Decision 0.00 | 14 | £1014.89 | |
| Bustino | 15:00 Ling My Target (p) 0.00 | 2 | £1264.56 | ||
| angeleyz | 15:00 Ling My Target (p) 0.00 | 37 | £775.90 | ||
| posy | 15:00 Ling Noble Peace 5.30 | 3 | £1247.11 | ||
| Celeric | 15:00 Ling Noble Peace 5.10 | 7 | £1116.09 | ||
| exactaman | 15:15 Catt Ashutor 0.00 | 39 | £681.90 | ||
| flushgordon1 | 15:15 Catt Ashutor 0.00 | 5 | £1154.77 | ||
| sonofshinner | 15:15 Catt Ashutor (p) 0.00 | 40 | £666.86 | ||
| stridingedge | 15:15 Catt Cuban Sun (p) 0.00 | 22 | £942.43 | ||
| rob22 | 15:30 Ling Genuine Approval 0.00 | 20 | £958.35 | ||
| hong kong fooey | 15:30 Ling Genuine Approval (p) 0.00 | 15 | £1014.55 | ||
| uptheboro | 15:30 Ling In Demand 0.00 | 33 | £836.45 | ||
| PENLLWYN | 15:30 Ling In Demand 0.00 | 28 | £907.53 | ||
| china castle | 15:30 Ling In Demand (p) 0.00 | 18 | £963.82 | ||
| Aquarius | 15:45 Catt Exit To Where (p) 0.00 | 27 | £915.32 | ||
| madhatters | 15:45 Catt Saint Sonnet (p) 0.00 | 36 | £785.23 | ||
| Airman | 16:00 Ling Auchterarder (p) 0.00 | 8 | £1094.32 | ||
| GLASGOWCALLING | 16:00 Ling Dark Vader 2.76 | 25 | £918.68 | ||
| SontaranStratagem | 16:00 Ling Dark Vader 0.00 | 29 | £898.03 | ||
| Movewiththetimes | 16:15 Catt Above Board (p) 0.00 | 1 | £1377.52 | ||
| madhatter | 16:15 Catt Absolutely Dylan (p) 0.00 | 15:30 Ling Genuine Approval (p) 0.00 | 4 | £1238.97 | |
| stewarts rise | 16:15 Catt Againn Dul Aghaidh (p) 0.00 | 11 | £1054.03 | ||
| OilyWragg | 16:15 Catt Granger Ranger (p) 0.00 | 17 | £978.78 | ||
| Hello:-) | 16:30 Ling Bytheby 0.00 | 35 | £798.82 | ||
| FOYLESWAR | 16:30 Ling Bytheby 1.99 | 13 | £1041.19 | ||
| pumphol | 16:45 Catt The Composeur 2.90 | 21 | £955.63 | ||
| Andrew.in.Sweden | 16:45 Catt The Composeur 0.00 | 26 | £918.49 | ||
| Cheify | No Selection 0.00 | 32 | £878.40 | ||
| The Norfolk Mafia | No Selection 0.00 | 10 | £1063.20 | ||
| 11kv | No Selection 0.00 | 24 | £919.72 | ||
| The Management | No Selection 0.00 | 34 | £806.03 | ||
| cardenden | No Selection 0.00 | 23 | £928.01 | ||
| MinnieLAI | No Selection 0.00 | 31 | £892.26 | ||
| smirnoff2therescue | No Selection 0.00 | 16 | £1011.43 |
GL All
At least nobody has picked the 1/16 shot hoping that it will fall!
| Entrant | Selection | Race | Odds | BFSP | Re | su | lt | Stake | RaceP&L |
| 11kv | No Selection | ||||||||
| Airman | Auchterarder (p) | 16:00 Ling | 2.44 | 2.44 | 1 | / | 7 | 38.00 | -54.72 |
| Andrew.in.Sweden | The Composeur | 16:45 Catt | 2.70 | 2.70 | 7 | / | 9 | 27.01 | 26.47 |
| angeleyz | My Target (p) | 15:00 Ling | 3.90 | 3.90 | 4 | / | 7 | 13.38 | 13.11 |
| Aquarius | Exit To Where (p) VOID | 15:45 Catt | 6.60 | 6.60 | 5 | / | 5 | ||
| Bustino | My Target (p) | 15:00 Ling | 3.90 | 3.90 | 4 | / | 7 | 21.80 | 21.37 |
| cardenden | No Selection | ||||||||
| Celeric | Noble Peace | 15:00 Ling | 5.10 | 4.30 | 3 | / | 7 | 13.61 | 13.34 |
| Cheify | No Selection | ||||||||
| china castle | In Demand (p) | 15:30 Ling | 1.31 | 1.31 | 2 | / | 12 | 155.46 | -48.19 |
| Deplasterer | Calidus Mirabilis (p) | 14:30 Ling | 1.85 | 1.85 | 4 | / | 6 | 45.36 | 44.46 |
| dukeofpuke | Visibility | 14:30 Ling | 4.36 | 4.36 | 3 | / | 6 | 15.99 | 15.67 |
| east end boy | Believe In Love (p) | 14:30 Ling | 2.49 | 2.49 | 2 | / | 6 | 35.11 | -52.31 |
| exactaman | Ashutor | 15:15 Catt | 1.39 | 1.39 | 1 | / | 6 | 87.42 | -34.10 |
| Flatcap | Visibility (p) | 14:30 Ling | 2.38 | 2.38 | 3 | / | 6 | 41.64 | 40.81 |
| flushgordon1 | Ashutor | 15:15 Catt | 1.39 | 1.39 | 1 | / | 6 | 148.05 | -57.74 |
| FOYLESWAR | Bythebay | 16:30 Ling | 1.99 | 2.47 | 2 | / | 12 | 52.59 | 51.53 |
| GLASGOWCALLING | Dark Vader | 16:00 Ling | 2.76 | 2.36 | 2 | / | 7 | 26.10 | 25.58 |
| happysandwich | Sincerely Resdev VOID | 14:45 Catt | 7.20 | 7.20 | 7 | / | 10 | ||
| Hello:-) | Bythebay | 16:30 Ling | 2.47 | 2.47 | 2 | / | 12 | 27.17 | 26.63 |
| hong kong fooey | Genuine Approval (p) | 15:30 Ling | 2.92 | 2.92 | 3 | / | 12 | 26.42 | -50.73 |
| Invicta | Calidus Mirabilis | 14:30 Ling | 3.03 | 3.03 | 4 | / | 6 | 22.07 | 21.63 |
| Lucky Luciano | Believe In Love | 14:30 Ling | 5.44 | 5.44 | 2 | / | 6 | 10.84 | 10.62 |
| madhatter | Absolutely Dylan (p) | 16:15 Catt | 2.24 | 2.24 | 4 | / | 10 | 49.96 | 48.96 |
| madhatters | Saint Sonnet (p) | 15:45 Catt | 1.15 | 1.15 | 1 | / | 5 | 261.74 | -39.26 |
| MinnieLAI | No Selection | ||||||||
| Movewiththetimes | Above Board (p) | 16:15 Catt | 3.50 | 3.50 | 6 | / | 10 | 27.55 | 27.00 |
| OilyWragg | Grange Ranger (p) | 16:15 Catt | 3.75 | 3.75 | 2 | / | 10 | 17.80 | -48.94 |
| PENLLWYN | In Demand | 15:30 Ling | 2.42 | 2.42 | 2 | / | 12 | 31.96 | 31.32 |
| posy | Noble Peace | 15:00 Ling | 5.30 | 4.30 | 3 | / | 7 | 14.50 | 14.21 |
| pumphol | The Composeur | 16:45 Catt | 2.90 | 2.70 | 7 | / | 9 | 25.15 | 24.65 |
| rob22 | Genuine Approval | 15:30 Ling | 5.30 | 10.37 | 3 | / | 12 | 11.14 | 10.92 |
| smirnoff2therescue | No Selection | ||||||||
| sonofshinner | Ashutor (p) | 15:15 Catt | 1.16 | 1.16 | 1 | / | 6 | 208.39 | -33.34 |
| SontaranStratagem | Dark Vader | 16:00 Ling | 2.36 | 2.36 | 2 | / | 7 | 33.02 | 32.36 |
| stewarts rise | Againn Dul Aghaidh (p) | 16:15 Catt | 2.88 | 2.88 | P | / | 10 | 28.03 | 27.47 |
| stridingedge | Cuban Sun (p) | 15:15 Catt | 2.10 | 2.10 | 2 | / | 6 | 42.84 | -47.12 |
| The Management | No Selection | ||||||||
| The Norfolk Mafia | No Selection | ||||||||
| uptheboro | In Demand | 15:30 Ling | 2.42 | 2.42 | 2 | / | 12 | 29.45 | 28.86 |
| Thread Total | £90.51 |
| Month Total | -£990.83 |
Striding,
I thought that because my first selection (Sincerely Resdev) was Void due to 7.2 price my Sub (Bold Decision) became the selection?
I thought that because my first selection (Sincerely Resdev) was Void due to 7.2 price my Sub (Bold Decision) became the selection?
stridey must bring his fried brain back and sort this confusion out 
Yes you thought right. Apologies.
Will post your new table standing on your comps too.
Cheers
| happysandwich | Bold Decision | 17:00 Ling | 3.74 | 3.74 | 8 | / | 11 | 18.52 | 18.15 |
Will post your new table standing on your comps too.
Cheers
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