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09 Jan 20
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in my early betting days ,jumping hill,hunt cup,lester piggot,was this a jim joel owned horse
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Fairy Footsteps was the 1st big winner of his i can recall watching.
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put a bet on for my mam maori venture for national 50,s,same era she had last suspect
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Jumping Hill was owned by an American who also had the top class juvenile J O Tobin in the same year (1976). Noel Murless retired at the end of the season and both horses were moved to the States.
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No - Jumping Hill - Owned by - George Pope jun
Very similar Colours to Jim Joel, though. George Pope's colours being ... Black, White Yoke, White Sleeves, Red Cap Pope was an American I believe - Not to be confused with the family of former Trainer Major Pope. One of Noel Murless last Winners - Retired that same Season 1976 |
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1976 ,
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Mr Murless's last Royal Ascot winner. Colours not really that similar to Joel's as the big white yoke made them looked like halved black and white. Oh! and the sleeves were white, Oh and the cap was red not scarlet. Onlooker, what is up with your precision these days
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I was being both charitable and accommodating to the OP.
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Fair point O. Hurried post
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Speaking of Colours -
Just come across this Result (from a year ago) when checking some Form Click on the Link .... https://www.racingpost.com/results/1231/meydan/2019-01-17/720964 5:25 Meydan (UAE) 17 Jan 2019 Azizi Mina (Handicap) (Turf) (95-107, 3yo+) 1m Good 1st £82,677.17 2nd £27,559.06 3rd £13,779.53 4th £6,889.76 5th £4,133.86 |
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Buona Notte was my favourite over jumps, Royal Palace on the flat.
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The Laird was one of my favourite horses when I was a comparative youngster. Really liked the colours as easy to pck out in the race !
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bonus point
Jim Joels 2nd colours were.. |
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Best horse ever to run in Jim Joel's black and red colours was ROYAL PALACE.
Trained by the master Noel Murless, and ridden by the great Australian George Moore, who was only in the country for a year or so. Rumour had it at the time that ex-Murless jockey Lester Piggot's was responsible for him being forced to abandon England and return to his homeland. Not after winning almost every important race whilst he was here. |
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I'm almost certain that George Moore left the country after being threatened by a (doping) gang .
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Yes, but there were conspiracy theories put forward that Piggot's was seething after losing the job with Murless, and the
subsequent amazing success of Moore. Many classic winners and big race successes put Piggot's nose out of joint , and I well remember the furore that followed.Nothing ever came to light, but Moore went back to Australia despite being on the crest of a wave. Would not have gone back for petty reasons, would he? Remains a mystery. |
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I seem to remember seeing a Joel runner wearing a white cap as second colours, but that seems too obvious.
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Plus, it would be too close to the Lord Derby colours, lacking just the white button. So it's probably wrong.
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Body of black and white stripes, plain white sleeves with a scarlet cap, not used very often though would be my guess
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Rothman my recollection is that Lester lost his job with Murless through refusing to ride a Murless horse in the Oaks preferring Vincent O'Bs Valoris which duly won.Thereafter Lester went freelance and had the pick of V o'B's classic runners like Sir Ivor,Nijinski , Roberto and many more. It was such a long time ago so my memory may not be accurate but I recall Moore's family were threatened which accelerated his departure.
Talking about Royal Palace I was at Sandown the day he won the Eclpse in 1968 ;one of the greatest races I 've ever seen. |
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Posy. That is my recollection too. I think Lester was on a retainer with Murless who expected him to ride Varinia in the Oaks but as you say he chose to ride Valoris. I think O'Brien already had plans for Lester and was reportedly very impressed with the way Lester handled the highly strung Valoris - she got a bit agitated and Lester walked her the last quarter mile to the start.
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From an RP Article of 2019....
....Piggott's first ride for O'Brien was a winner – the great mare Gladness in the 1958 Gold Cup. According to O'Brien's official biography, written by his wife Jacqueline, Piggott complained about the lengthy instructions the trainer had given him. Later that season Piggott rode Gladness in the Ebor, cantering in by six lengths under the burden of 9st 7lb. It was an auspicious beginning, yet eight years passed before the two geniuses began to work together on a regular basis. The catalyst for their alliance was a filly named Valoris, who won the 1966 Oaks with Piggott in the saddle. At the time Piggott was retained by Sir Noel Murless and was expected to ride his Varinia in the Classic, but Piggott was and was always the acknowledged master of redrawing riding arrangements to suit himself and he insisted on riding Valoris at Epsom. Varinia finished third; Murless fumed; Piggott laconically announced he would now ride as a freelance. |
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Vincent and Lester were both in the genius category when it came to horses . Think they both knew that , Vincent was prepared to put up with some of Lester attitude because he knew that Lester was the best in the world . Stable staff were under instructions not to let Lester near their younger horses in case he was formulating plans . Vincent seldom won with a bigger priced stable companion unlike successor .
Nobody similar to either these days , particularly if you were looking for something to lump on . Stable jockeys picking wrong uns commonplace . |