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After nearly 30 years punting on the nags
After nearly 30 years punting on the nags
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There's so many different ways to make money - it's not all just about picking winners. That's the beauty of exchanges and trading potential. Horses offer so many different angles for using the exchanges, that's one reason I've changed strategy so many times over the years.
Either way, I didn't think this post was about whether winning is possible more just lack of enjoyment and interest. |
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Racing can get very 'samey' in intense trading. That's why I'd suggest a lengthy break from it personally, then come back with fresh eyes and mind.
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Judging by the daily apoplectically screeching TV commentaries, the sport's more exciting than it's ever been.
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Completely agree; racing has lost its mojo. National Hunt it is partly due to the poor fields. The festivals have really diluted racing in Jan/Feb in particular. Irish NH racing they just take it in turns to beat each other so completely switched off from a betting point of view. Flat racing it is only group one races, Royal Ascot and York that I get interested in.
There is too much dross racing and too many races for the good horses to go for thus avoiding each other and the bookies are chocking betting with mean pricing which has destroyed ante post markets. The biggest problem NH has is the pool of top class horses jumpers is getting smaller and smaller each year. |
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NH racing can’t be in a good place.
I must be 40 years younger than the average racegoer. Nobody my age as a general sweeping statement gives a F about any NH race bar the GN and Cheltenham, that’s including no F’s given about the King George etc The field sizes are horrendous and it’s often freezing. It’s expensive to get in compared to stakes used by most younger people. The Flat might survive and wouldn’t put that down to any racing, simply drinking facilities with a bit of racing in the background. As for most people my age there is absolutely no concept of value whatsoever. For example if you had a NH with 2 horses in tomorrow and you said you can have 5/2 either of them, more than half would say no thanks I don’t bet racing. |
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This isn't just a racing issue - the world has expanded in an online and wider sense, horse racing is basically an anachronism in many senses. But the fact it still goes on says it all. It's found it's own way to still be around, and will likely continue that way for some time to come.
Who knows what will continue in the world we live in, and so what really? Live for today. |
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dylan jones,piers morgan,andrew neill,paul dacre,anna wintour,itsmeswaddle.
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Chavman, value bet, Kemo sabe , big Aitch.
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i forgot kelvin mckenzie
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feel exactly like you,steel learning.now i bet on cricket, soccer and the occassional, group 1 races, i used to love boxing day king george, but didnt even watch it on thursday, i the mean reason for me decline in horse racing is coolmore approach to the group 1 races and itv racing on tv with chamberlain and chapman. OH FOR BBC RACING WITH JULES
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The great sport is in decline. It pains me to say that my enthusiasm for betting on horse racing pre race is at an all time low. ( I have been betting for the thick end of 40 odd years )
Small stake big priced multiples is my only real fun interest bets nowadays in the early markets unless i think i can get in and out of a bet pre race as i am happy to play the market in running if i think all is as it should be. I do play in the run at specific tracks where i feel confident that certain track bias is possible and / or if i see one developing at a track during the meeting. Leicester hurdle track on bad ground is one. |
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There can be fatigue with the amount of ordinary racing but I still get a buzz about the better races after 65 years of watching. Field sizes have always been as issue at busy times but when most courses could not water, 3-5 runners were the norm in dry spells 40 years ago. You do have to limit the kind of races you bet on. The only one I looked at away from Newbury was Kipps at Lingfield which managed to win at short odds. Fair Kate was my best win of the day but Sevarano was the big disappointment. He probably needs further if ridden like that.
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Ive been punting for over 60 years. Things "change", you probably don't like the films anymore, the music anymore.I T. V. RACING is as good as it gets. No need to go down to the betting shop anymore. "IT'S ALL ON LINE", MAKING LIFE EASIER.Talking ABOUT "BETTING ANGLES", MOST RACING YOU CAN BACK THREE OR MORE IN A RACE AND STILL MAKE A PROFIT. DONT GET GREEDY "JUST NICK A BIT.And for you "Stil Earning". I hope you are well, but you remind me of Victor Meldrew. ONE FOOT IN THE GRAVE. (NO OFFENCE). H APPY PUNTING, AND A HAPPY NEW YEAR TO YOU.One last thing.Paisley Park owned by Andrew Gemmell.
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smartpunter you live in cloud cuckoo land.
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Films are OK if you shop around, music I just use Youtube occasionally but don't listen to much. My TV watching consists of Sky News, Bloomberg in the mornings and sport for the rest of the day but I get out walking and wildlife watching most mornings for 2 hours or so, longer in the summer. I used to attend live horse racing 2 or 3 days a week but since they stopped Tote Credit and I gave up my ROA badge, I don't go much anymore. As far as betting is concerned, I do it to make the racing more enjoyable and I tend to follow owners, trainers or specific horses. I avoid handicaps on the whole, particularly anything below Grade 3. After so many years some things look obvious. Khaled Abdulla well bred newcomer on a Friday for instance. Grade 1 horses in a maiden. Only comes from experience.
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a day at the races is pretty expensive even before you have had a bet,the next big downturn in the economy and its coming will see some tracks go under and the rest will struggle when the drinkers decide its better to watch in the pub than spend £20/30 entrance fee
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I would imagine itsmeswaddle's account of how young people view racing nowadays is very much correct and you can understand why.
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RTV costs less than £1 a day for 2-5 meetings and in my view you get much more information than you could ever get on course.
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Much too much racing i used to love going racing, dreamed of owning a winner,the best part for me was searching for value among the books,winning a few quid on the day was a reel buzz often went on to the dogs in the evening. I still enjoy Cheltenham and Royal Ascot but most of the rest is downright boring including the Derby.
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Meanwhile point to point with far less facilities, no TV money and low prize money continues to draw crowds and is thriving.
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that's more grass roots though sage, I don't ever see that declining
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It is declining actually, far less runners but on the plus side everything is trying.
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I don't get the doom and gloom must admit.
We've never had it better as racing punters/traders. If the gloss has gone off some races, that's the same for many things these days as suggested above - music is complete rubbish these days, the golden days of TV shows has gone. Nothing we can do about it, that's the world. But as a racing punter/trader I have no complaints about the current state for sure. |
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I agree with smartpunter, it's never been better.
Particularly if you read form on a computer in contrast to going through the pages of a form book. Yet perhaps that's the problem, its so easy now that punters tend to get involved in too many races instead of concentrating on getting just one or two correct. |
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Hard not to be negative.
Positives - almost every race is available to watch. Negatives Being told that 'having a touch' is ok and 'any money for a runner from this stable blah blah' is ok , nothing to see. National Hunt is what hooked me on the sport , difficult to see a long term future where the racing supremos and media grovel when a horse dies because of a few social media comments, instead of going on the front foot and telling these people to start with others areas such as farming and slaughter of animals for food. I think there will be a time where it only exists in Ireland. |
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Anyone who thinks there are more dishonest races these days can't be very old. I knew jockeys in the "good old days" who knew which horse was going to win quite a few races and certainly knew which ones would not win in almost every race. Many NH horses ran a week or two after coming in from grass and nobody cared, it was obvious which they were. No cameras, the stewards all owned horses, bookmakers had a nark in every big yard. One of the differences was that they were better at losing without anyone realising but if all else failed they jumped off at the last fence. The whole point of betting on horses was to find out "who knew" as Big Mac would have said. These days, 90% are fit and 50% are trying their best. Those that are not are raw novices or coming back from injury and would only be ruined by a hard ride.
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Cant agree with your last part sage, with the video tech now watch any race and you can see how many are not off.
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Sageform.....Totally agree and they assume it's all suddenly happened because of the exchanges. In the 60s there was a major problem with doping as well as all the usual skullduggery.
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off topic do you ever hear from your old china the forum sad to say is not the same without him. regards Ronnie. |
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No way to tell Deptford. Do you seriously think that any of the novices that jump the first flight 20 lengths behind the leaders have any intention of showing their true ability? It is much more prevalent in Ireland where they have bigger fields. That is not to say any of them were capable of winning of course and the trainers know that before the start. I am not talking here about the very few favourites that are deliberately stopped when well capable of winning.
sparrow, I can also remember when it was possible to buy a bookmakers pitch on course for £50 a day and lay the ones you knew were not off. Not that I did anything like that but I knew people who did. |
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sage, I wouldnt punt over there if you could guarantee me West Ham would be relegated!
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Ronnie rails.... not heard anything since I last spoke to him on the phone when I received your message.
sageform....My father was a bookmakers clerk for many years up to the mid 60s and I'm aware of much that went on. |
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Sad to say every aspect of the sport is corrupt, not surprised interest is waning for some. Everyone can see and has seen for years there is far too much racing but what do the BHA do? Bookmakers, broadcasters, journalists all contributing to the corruption and some not even realising it. Trainers & jockeys, "ambassadors" for bookmakers and paid lots of money by them, its laughable.
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I've been betting on horses for 30 years as well but my interest hasn't waned at all. However completely gone off Football.
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Snap giggity - record has been appalling in my football returns recent years, going great guns at horses recent in comparison.
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Betting on football is a hopeless task.
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put new bank in and working on horses only myself, closed my bookies account and on here only singles from now on and cutting back on them, actually watched a lot of races today waiting on my first runner and enjoyed it.I agree was getting involved in footy golf racing darts just to much and I agree I think boredom at middle age big factor, But have to get back to reality for when retire so can have couple bets to look forward to, The truth is when we get a certain age winning dosnt matter that much but losing to much is nightmare
so have fun bets. Icut my bets right back today on singles lost a little but was fun. |