One minute you don't know this Kemo character the next he is your friend apparently.

You posted you only have 1 account which is being closed then in the next breath you posted you have other accounts you can access so which is it?

Are you just full of sh1t IYO?

And telling anyone to chill out after your sunday performance well that's just fookin incredible.

Your threads History now, shame but as predicted by myself you are just so far obsessed by Andrews thread it's Frightening.

het cardy pal , found some great laying articles I thought you would be interested


this ones good


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2 years ago - 8 minute read
The practical guide to profit from laying in horse racing

Laying horses is something many bettors talk about but never do.

When faced with taking on a 5.0 shot the potential loss is usually too much to stomach, but laying short-priced horses, especially to place rather than to win, can be a nice steady way to make a profit. All it requires is a change of thinking.
Finding Value Lays

Laying is a slower burn but less volatile route to profit and may require a higher average stake size than you are used to if you tend to back bigger priced selections. But it’s nothing to be alarmed by. Value considerations are simply different when you are looking at laying horses as the profit will sometimes be less than your “stake”.

For example, laying a horse priced at 2.5 will mean risking £150 to win £100 so it is the same as backing a selection at 1.67. Laying a 2.0 horse that should be priced at 2.5 presents huge value, though, as the true probability of 40% (2.5) means your lay will be profitable 60% of the time. Over 100 lays that’s a 20 unit profit so it favours slightly larger stakes.

At a higher price, the risk-reward ratio gets a bit more skewed as to lay a horse at 6.0 to win £100 means risking £500. This means you have to be as certain as you would be backing a 1.2 shot to lay a horse in this price range, and that level of certainty is hard to come by in horse racing. But it’s a risk you don’t need to take as there is plenty of value to be found with laying shorter priced runners.

Most bettors focus on horses closer to evens for their lay bets, so how do you find them?

Mn (left) was a popular lay selection at Matchbook for the Melling Chase this year at Aintree.
Price is everything

The first thing to look for are horses that the public loves.

When the general public gets behind something and it gets hot it can be backed into a price where it’s sometimes hard to resist laying it, so why should you try to resist? You can often find “weak” favourites or horses running at too short a price at the top of the betting if you look hard enough – or know the right man to ask. Luckily we have just the man here at Matchbook in Rory Delargy.

Delargy is a regular on the Matchbook podcast and has a regular column at Insights.Matchbook.com where he gives his best lays of the week.

And he says, it’s not about “being against a horse at any price”, it’s about identifying a horse that will be backed into a price where you can lay it. “When a horse is hot it creates a demand and you are liable to get a good price to lay at that stage,” Delargy says.

And the key, as with all betting, is finding the value. In order to make a profit at long-term, he adds, you need to be laying at under market price. If you are laying even money horses at 2.5 you are going to be losing long-term. This means reading the market as much as it does reading the form and spotting when horses are getting “hot” after a couple of good runs or easy wins.


Look for place lay opportunities

Sometimes though it can be even simpler than that, and one of the best lay opportunities you can find is laying horses for a place.

The place odds on short-priced horses to place in a race can be very favourable for layers as they will frequently be calculated by automated trading software that bases the place price on the win price.

One of the key aspects to focus on here is the style of the horse involved. Horses who need to dominate from the front are often bad place bets when they can’t dominate from the start and they go from a decent chance to no chance at all. There is a fine line between winning and finishing sixth or seventh for some of these horses but this is not always reflected in the odds.

According to horse racing betting expert Stephen Harris, another Matchbook Podcast regular, there is an angle for laying front-runners for a place full stop as the price is so often not reflective of the way the race is likely to shape out. Delargy also notes that front-runners can sometimes become a lot shorter in the market because people are looking to lay them off in-running, and this means the place market is shorter than it should be.

Native River (right) is a notorious front-runner. It did, however, work out for Colin Tizzard’s superstar in this year’s Gold Cup.
Look for weakness, not strengths

The key to making good horse racing lay bets also requires a switch from looking for strengths to looking for weaknesses.

This can be in terms of the pricing in the market, or in terms of the relative weakness of a horse, jockey or trainer in a specific race or under specific conditions. Remember you’re not trying to find a winner you are just trying to find a horse that is likely to be running worse than its price in the market suggests.

Some of the old truisms will apply here, such as horses (and jockeys) for courses. Runners that don’t like specific types of going or track, coming into a race having performed well on markedly different conditions are a good place to start. And equally as mentioned any horses that have been built up to the general public in advance.

But your best starting point is Rory Delargy’s regular articles on Insights.Matchbook.com. Learn from one of the masters in the game before trying your own hand at finding your own lay bets. When it comes to laying bets, spotting weaknesses can become a real strength.

Note: If you want to hear the lads discussing laying for a place in full you can check out the Podcast archives here:

got a few more pal , let me just find them

around 30 , thot you would enjoy them as your a layer mostly pal

One hour good enough for me. Goodbye. It would be shamefull if I were ever to break my word and post again

No more echo, but I'll keep watching only.

oooops

wrong account there kneel



three acc one person , what a lunatic seriously


you actually have conversations with yourself on here , do you even know that ?

to late wacko , no digging out of this one

will give you credit tho a fair range of personalities tbf

Different people using the same account. Against Betfair rules.

Ee .... what a Fannie. !!   

tbf it isnt too hard to work out - kemo disappeared from thread on 16th Jan when he got his latest holiday - echo who upto that point had not posted on the thread to my knowledge appeared on the 19th wiv a remarkably similar tone to the banned squirrel .
As someone mentioned the other day its like One Flew Over The Cuckoos Nest on here

Cc

57  13th february  lay   Luckys Dream  7,30  chelmsford

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    .....Have you tried Crochet or those Big Jigsaw Puzzles. ??      WAC.   

1   10 december  lay two sams  12.30 fontwell  unplaced  6/5 fav Happy

2   11 december  lay Casimir Du Clos 1.50 hexham  unplaced  6/5 fav Happy

3   12 december lay im to blame 2.50 newcastle   second    1/1 fav  Happy

4  13 december lay  some reign  12.00 doncaster  unplaced  7/4 fav  Happy

5 14 december lay  Air Horse One  2.20 hereford  unplaced  6/4 fav  Happy

6  15 december  lay  diger daudaie  2.25 carlisle unplaced  13/8 fav  Happy

7 16 december lay    Conas Taoi 3,10 ffos las    unplaced   13/8 fav  Happy

8 17 december lay perfect moment 1,10 fakenham    WON       4/5   fav  Whoops

9  18 december lay griggy  1.45 lingfield        won     4/5 fav  Whoops

10  19december  lay  Fujaira King  2,00 southwell  second  11/10 fav  Happy

11  20 december  lay  Sully Doc Aa  1,55 ascot  unplaced 5/2 second fav  Happy

12  21 december lay  lucymai 1.30 lingfield  second  6/4  fav  Happy

    22  no racing
    23  no racing
    24  no racing
    25  no racing

13  26 december  lay  Jubilympics 12.15 fontwell  second  11/8 fav  Happy

14  27th december lay acey milan  2.10 chepstow unplaced  13/8 fav  Happy

15  28th december  lay zulu dawn  12.45 catterick  unplaced  4/6 fav  Happy

16  29th december  lay badessley knight 12,25 doncaster  second  13/8 fav Happy

17  30th december lay zoffee  12.45 taunton       second     8/11  fav  Happy

18  31 december  lay storm wizard  2.25 uttoxeter  unplaced  2/1 fav  Happy

19  1st january lay paddling  2,45 catterick     unplaced   11/8 fav  Happy

20  2 january lay  aint my fault -       2.10 ayr       unplaced  11/8  fav   Happy

21  3 january  lay semour sox        1,10 hereford      won     11/10 fav   Whoops

22  4 january  lay  arrivederci  3.50 wincanton         won     11/8 fav  Whoops

23  5 january lay beechwood james 3.30 southwell     unplaced    2/1 fav  Happy

24  6 january  lay  beaufort  west  1.50 chepstow     won       8/13  fav  Whoops

25  7 january  lay sam brown 2.45 lingfield      won         6/5 fav   Whoops

26   10th january lay  locked n loaded 5.45 wolverhampton   second  11/10 Happy

27  11th january  lay  Rough Night  1,15 warwick      second   5/4 fav   Happy

28  12 january lay   Elvis Mail  1,55 kelso      won    11/8 fav  Whoops

29   13th january  lay Epsom Des Mottes   3,10 lingfield   second  1/1  fav  Happy

30  14th january  lay  Theflickeringlight  3.50 doncaster  unplaced  6/4  fav  Happy

31  15 january lay  Aimee De Sivola  12.45  newbury      unplaced  6/5  fav  Happy

32  16th january lay   Oscars Leader  1,10 market rasen  unplaced  15/8 fav  Happy

33  17th january  lay high noon  1.55 musselburgh      second  15/8  fav  Happy

34  18th january lay  Papagana  1.50  ascot       unplaced  9/4  fav  Happy

35  19th january  lay  aloomomo  3.00 ayr      unplaced      13/8 fav   Happy

36  20th january  lay  Black Abbey  1.30 newcastle  second   1/1  fav   Happy

37   21 january  lay  N over J  6.45  newcastle    unplaced   5/4  fav  Happy

38  22nd january  lay  its probably me  1.35 warwick  second  1/1 fav  Happy

39  23 january lay  Hareem Queen  3,30 southwell  won  6/4  fav Whoops

    24th january  no lay ,  i forgot to post it,,tailed off as well

40  25th january  lay  king roland  3,00 cheltenham   second  6/4 fav  Happy

41  26th january  lay  Masters Apprentice  1,00 sedgefield  unplaced  6/4 fav  Happy

42  27th january  lay  hideaway vic  3.00 plumpton      second       10/11  fav  Happy

43  28th january lay   Opposites Attract  1.50 downpatrick  won  9/4  fav  Whoops

no lay 29th january

44  30th  january   lay   Whitehotchillifili   1.10 wincanton  third   8/11  fav  Happy

45  31st january  lay  Getaway North  2.00 catterick  won    11/8  fav  Whoops

46  1st febuary    lay  ask a honey bee  4,33 wetherby  won  11/10 fav  Whoops

47  2nd february lay  Hastrubal   3.50 musselburgh  unplaced  10/11  fav  Happy

48  3 february lay   rockesbury  5,30 wolverhampton   second  13/8  fav  Happy

49  4th february  lay  Sermando   4,20   market rasen   unplaced   7/4  fav  Happy

50  5th february  lay  Gelboe De Chanay  3,45 ludlow   unplaced   100/30  Happy

51  6th february  lay  zoffee   1,53 doncaster     won 10/11 fav   Whoops

52  7th february  lay   Tone The Barone  6.15  chelmsford  won 2/1  fav Whoops

53  8th february  lay  Lies About Milan  4,17  uttoxeter   second  11/10  fav Happy

    9th february   all racing off

54  10th february  lay   Felix   7,40  wolverhampton   unplaced  15/8  fav  Happy

55  11th  february  lay  Coast Ofalfujairah  6,20 newcastle   second  6/5  fav  Happy

56  12th  february  lay  Decision Maker  4,35 southwell    unplaced  5/4  fav 

57  13th february  lay   Luckys Dream  7,30  chelmsford    won      1/1 fav   

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   ....   ... Pheck me they got the lot .. 3 doubles and the treble Landed. !!