stewards chelmsford

-800 here

a shocker but that's stewards betting for you

sometimes you just have to give betting up on stewards decisions..that is just simply embarrassing.

did that just happen?

1.01              £8,004        
1.02             £1,505        
1.03             £2,716        
1.04             £4,226        
1.05             £8,114        
1.06             £20,346        
1.07             £5,825        
1.08             £8,293

-1100 + here.

the last stewards for me!!

i feel sorry for all ye there thats rough

follow ze money

Horse Racing / ChelmC 26th Sep : 7f Hcap
26-Sep-19 17:30
26-Sep-19 17:55
726.89

absolute disgrace how much have the stewards made they should be jailed

someone's just filled their Christmas party kitty early

oh dear oh dear.

that really is a joke ..all i can think of is the stewards were on the 2nd no other explanation

was there something early in the race , out the stalls etc because i'm struggling to see that

I'm still in disbelief

You know it's bad when even the rtv boys are shocked at the decision

Only ever free money is for the happy clowns who are "deciding" on these mickey mouse results.

the one at kempton the other night was 10 times worse than that imv...

didnt have a bet on it but that was a shocking descision.

pays for (the stewards) tea



Horse Racing: -£555.79  Total P&L:  -£555.79


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Our officials are about as consistent as football's VAR !

that was truly vile. wtf!!!!

james, elise and RacingLuck smelt it. the delay was too long

and they want to get new people to come racing ..how would you explain that to someone who backed wild flower ..disgrace

no elise, nothing, only thing jock should have done was both hands on reign but she was trying to pull it off best she could

Wild Flower ...

1.01    £0        £8,004       
1.02            £1,505       
1.03            £2,716       
1.04            £4,226       
1.05            £8,114       
1.06            £20,346        - Main Stewards Market
1.07            £5,825       
1.08            £8,293       
1.09            £6,676       
1.1            £9,978       
1.11            £2,777       
1.12            £2,586       
1.13            £1,021       
1.14            £1,024       
1.15            £1,373       
1.16            £254       
1.17            £122       
1.18            £76       
1.19            £3

there was 13.3K offered going over line but not sure any was taken

Sep 26, 2019 -- 6:03PM, postmannick wrote:

and they want to get new people to come racing ..how would you explain that to someone who backed wild flower ..disgrace

agree nick

obvs not blaming you james, but I foolishly followed you in

i'm retired from these stewards, too much fcking aggravation having to rely on these doddery old coonts

the inconsistency is a bit of a joke, bha seem to lurch from one stewarding farce to another

Sep 26, 2019 -- 6:05PM, tomhunt wrote:

there was 13.3K offered going over line but not sure any was taken

yes because everyone thought it had won

and they want to get new people to come racing ..how would you explain that to someone who backed wild flower ..disgrace

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come racing and get mugged like that or sit at home and watch man u v arsenal in the comfort of your own home and have a bet in a 3 horse race...

i think the younger generation would prefer the latter tbh...

no they didn't, laying at 1.01 on fptp, somebody took a chance with them getting close

yes of course some did, but the majority thought it would stand tomhunt. the price barely moved for 20 minutes, and only a few mins before the decision did it move from 1.08ish to around 1.15. that was probably after the decision had been made

and some getting itchy feet because it was taking longer than usual. the taking longer than usual is becoming quite a reliable indicator of an amended result

Sep 26, 2019 -- 5:48PM, elise wrote:

this does feel like a long time for a "stands" though

oh well, expensive lesson for me there. elise cleaned up though

I feel bad you listened to me wes, that bad I'll not be starting any more stewards threads, bad enough doing my own money let alone anyone
following me in

Agree, i'll be laying off them for a while as well now. How can anyone bet in them with confidence after that?

not talking about the enquiry, talking about going over line, u said everybody but somebody didn't and took a chance

wisewords 26 Sep 19 18:09 
yes of course some did, but the majority thought it would stand tomhunt. the price barely moved for 20 minutes, and only a few mins before the decision did it move from 1.08ish to around 1.15. that was probably after the decision had been made

Sam Angell (Chief Steward), Simon Marriage (Stewards' Panel Chair), Sally Lyons
(Steward), Kate Smith (Assistant Steward), Jennifer Dewhurst (Raceday Assistant)

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never heard of any of them tbh...

jimmy, spare us the sickly martyrdom YDC! everyone is in control of their own monies here. U take a bet, U accept the risk.

yes, we are aware of that - cheers

that was as bad a decision I have ever seen in racing. No way could the Stewards reverse that result neither horse touched and the winner won a neck and was holding the second. it leaves a nasty taste in my mouth and after two moderate days that has made my mind up for me give punting on racing a swerve

He asked me if anything happened pro, I told him no, they aint throwing it out
Get his own choice, still don't want to be advising 1.1's that are getting beat, believe it or not!

Arrange for a hoe to meet him and give him a free blowie

I couldn't afford the train ticket after that stewards!

i thought 1.1 was way too big lol, was a 1.05 shot in a uk stewards market at best, a cert to be overturned on appeal

still can't believe that just happened

I couldn't afford the train ticket after that stewards!

train ticket?
I dont think he meant you go and do it

when does the official explanation get published?

shortly...

wisewords- that should be interesting because they must have seen something we did"dt

typo dusty

her train ticket!*

will be interesting to see if Beckie Smith gets a ban....

considering what Luke Morris did was 10 times worse and he got away with a caution (somehow)....

taken them an hour so far to update the stewards report...

must be some nice dinner and drinks on the go in Essex tonight...

either that or someone has been on the phone telling them they best get their story straight coz there will be an appeal coming their way...

An enquiry was held to consider the placings in this race following interference in the final furlong when the
winner, WILD FLOWER (IRE), ridden by Miss Becky Smith, interfered with ISLAY MIST, placed second,
ridden by Miss Suzannah Stevens. Being a 7lb amateur rider, Miss Stevenson was accompanied in the
enquiry by her employer. The Stewards considered that the interference had improved WILD FLOWER
(IRE)’s placing as ISLAY MIST had been intimidated off its intended line over a sustained period and, on
the run to the line, the filly had rallied to be beaten by diminishing neck. The placings were revised as
follows: First, ISLAY MIST, second, WILD FLOWER (IRE). Miss Smith was suspended for 3 days for
allowing her mount to drift right-handed for a number of strides and without correction, on dates to be
notified to her.

intimidated my arse

just being eyeballed is enough to get chucked now - pathetic

becky smith gets 3 days...

luke morris gets none...

dear god.

see in there the 7lb claimer bit is bollx, two experienced riders do the same thing it usually stands yet they should know better, 2 kids do it the stewards hit her with a ban, jobsworths

sry hibby posting same time, same thing

your point is 100% correct elise so no problem...

Stewards: Sam Angell (Chief Steward), Simon Marriage (Stewards' Panel Chair), Sally Lyons (Steward), Kate Smith (Assistant Steward), Jennifer Dewhurst (Raceday Assistant)

im sure one or two of those were recently involved in another feck up of a dq which ended in a reversal at appeal

Since when does 'intimidation' warrant a disqualification? I don't believe the word exists in the rules.

be beaten by diminishing neck.

they should all be sacked for that comment alone.

rallied to be beat a diminishing neck......what are they watching, was always holding the other, in fact kept straight would have won further

really is a ridiculous explanation & opens a massive can of worms

anytime a horse doesn't run straight when upsides, they can now just say it was "intimidated" & amend

i'm sure the  Info@britishhorseracing.com inbox will be full in the morning...

the word intimidation does appear in the rules in the context of what's happened, but the interpretation and common sense angle of applying the law and the lack of consistency are a huge missing

https://twitter.com/BHAStewards/status/1177265073666043904

you leave a comment here as well

* can

what they've done is taken the view that because it came off a line and she didn't act to correct that they have to chuck it, but the "has it improved it's placing" seems to have gone a bit skewy

Sep 26, 2019 -- 7:07PM, HappyHibby wrote:

i'm sure the  Info@britishhorseracing.com inbox will be full in the morning...

and every mail will be deleted without a response

you are probably correct there dave...

we're just the mugs who play a major part in keeping the sport going don't forget...

they don't even acknowledge that far less forget it.  Same as the UKGC, no interest at all in the people who pay for it all.

public relations and customer service in general is dispicable from most organisations and companies if you ask me dave...

been saying it for years...

Just seen my  recording of all this.  One of the worst decisions I have seen in Britain in 40 years watching racing. Must appeal. Willie correct fpp holding the runner up comfy.

and the irony is that the present rules were brought it because it was thought that stricter rules were annoying punters.  In just one week we have had an clear winner disqualified and a horse that should have been awarded the race left in second.

didnt have a bet but can not believe that was amended I never bet on stewards and after that I will never bet on one

"the filly had rallied to be beaten by diminishing neck" BIZARRE.... Looked like the winner was pulling away to win by a neck to me?

Someone should name a horse Diminishing Neck and run it plenty at Chelmsford.

yet to see anyone who thought the winner was in danger...

apart from the 4 incompetent people who were employed to oversee these things.

If that was at Sandown, I'm not sure they would have even held an enquiry!

All RUK pundit  said was jock had given fpp a great ride.....then she gets a ban.

That one was worse between the two godolphin horses than the one that got flung other night and they aint even called one

^^^^^^^^^Agreed

double agreed...

how did the appeal go?

Appeal won. Original result stands but punters lose thousands both on the race and enquiry betting. Nobody sacked.

The person/s that came out with the diminishing neck opinion  should be sacked.

Newmarket trainer Luke McJannet has decried the standard of British stewarding after successfully appealing the demotion of his horse at Chelmsford last month, a decision he said had left him feeling angry and disgusted with the rule enforcers.

Wild Flower, a seven-year-old mare trained by McJannet, 30, was first past the post in a 7f amateur riders' handicap at Chelmsford on September 26, only to be stripped of the race and placed second behind Islay Mist.

The stewards at the course deemed 7-1 shot Wild Flower had intimidated 9-1 chance Islay Mist when winning by a neck, having caused interference by edging right in the straight and taking the original runner-up off her line. Rider Becky Smith was banned for three days, a ruling that was not appealed.

However, the disciplinary panel, while agreeing there had been interference, overturned the decision on appeal last week and in its written reasons released on Monday stated there was no contact between the horses, that Islay Mist had not been impeded to a significant level and that she was “unable or unwilling” to go past Wild Flower anyway.

McJannet said: “On the night I was very angry and I was shocked. I was disgusted they were able to come up with that decision. I must have spoken to 40 people on the course that night and to a person they said to appeal it.

“I do understand that [Wild Flower] hangs but when you watch the race back from the camera behind you can see that six horses drifted to the right. I just couldn’t believe it. I told the stewards straight after the inquiry that I was appealing this decision. It was shocking.”

Raceday stewarding in Britain is in the midst of a revolution with the previous model of honorary voluntary stewards assisted by a stipendiary steward being replaced, with greater emphasis being placed on professional stewards employed directly by the BHA.

Watch Wild Flower's race at Chelmsford

Last month the BHA completed its drawn-out search for a new head of stewarding with South African Shaun Parker appointed to the role. He is set to leave his position at the National Horseracing Authority in Durban on October 31 but no date has been announced for his start in Britain.

McJannet, who has trained six winners this year, believes there needs to be greater consistency in the application of the rules by stewards, and pointed to the speed at which the disciplinary panel overturned the decision as a sign of how much room there is for improvement.

“For me there is no consistency in these rules,” he said. “I appealed and didn’t take a solicitor because I was that sure we would get the race back. How could we not?

“Within four or five minutes [of making our case] we were back in and the judges agreed with us and were not able to see why the race had been taken off of us.

“Watching the video and listening to the audio it was the only conclusion you could come to. There has to be a consistency in the rules.”

The BHA highlighted the pressures stewards were under to reach a decision on the night. A spokesman said: “Stewards have to make immediate decisions in the midst of a sporting event. That is why an independent appeals process exists which offers a fair process for challenging stewarding decisions.

“It’s noted that the independent panel stated in their reasons that there was ‘an element of speculation involved in deciding what would have happened if there had been no interference’ and we accept their finding.”

More details plus head-on here:

http://judicialpanel.britishhorseracing.com/results/result/?id=1948

Looks like the guys involved are not up to the pressure.   ...." offers a fair process for challenging stewarding decisions "   How is this fair on the  punters that pay for the sport please ?

The BHA highlighted the pressures stewards were under to reach a decision on the night.

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what pressure ffs...???

if they can't take 'the pressure' regarding an easy decision like this then god help them...

the people who made the decision should be struck the BHA stewarding list IMMEDIATELY imv...

of course that won't happen coz the old boys club won't allow it...

another port Lady so and so...???

Spot on HH.

They are under no pressure to make a correct decision on the day knowing that their verdict can be appealed against.

In the meantime, punters betting on inquiries take the hit whilst I doubt stewards face any repercussions.

the people who made the decision should be struck the BHA stewarding list IMMEDIATELY imv...

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the people who made the decision should be struck off the BHA stewarding list IMMEDIATELY imv...

exactly Wesdag...

the fact of the matter is the head honchos who are running things don't gibe a flying fk about people on here...

and i'm not just talking about stewards enquiries...

i'm talking about all sorts of stuff that is going on and the head honcho brigade just turn a blind eye to it...

an absolute SCANDAL imv...

hopefully it'll ALL be looked at by someone eventually...

but it'll be long after i'm gone sadly.

give...!!!

new keyboard and it's taking me a while to get used to it.

Moral victory for the op

This thread should be given to the bha to highlight that everyone on here thought it was the worst decision in years.

Just keeps happening.