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in running liquidity worst iv ever seen it
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how is RTV/SSR/LV an advantage ?
been arguing with them about this for years, basically all you get now is 'it is what it is' |
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they done one trial of the £500 rebate for 3 mth.
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dusty, from what i remember, the £500 allowance was given to those whose lay percentage compared to profits ( or something along them lines ) was 40% or more .
they wanted to give it to people who create liquidity and not take . i might well be wrong , but i think backing or laying is all the same when it comes to creating liquidity , as if i am purely a backer, i am helping a layer get his bet matched , that's just how it works in my view , and one is not greater than the other . if no ones laying no ones backing , and vice versa . tomhunt - yes |
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these things are usually done individually, i'm on fixed rate but they're putting it up to an unworkable rate, i was thinking of a break at the end of october anyway but this has brought it forward, probably go till next march and re evaluate
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*go away
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dusty , and yes , the trial was in the belief that those on the £500 allowance would bet more and create more liquidity
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cheers pf, probably given to the seeders
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what i remember, the £500 allowance was given to those whose lay percentage compared to profits ( or something along them lines ) was 40% or more .
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nobody in their right minds wants to bet in-play on a sport where you are at a systematic disadvantage before you start, so unless you have the ft pics you are going to choose other sports, where surprise surprise the liquidity is better too
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I seed the forum and get nowt for me efforts
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I think pablo given that the lays go to 10x that of backing prices they might have wanted to encourage layers at higher prices, but its not sustainable is it to give value away just to keep 500 quid more
My original point is that the model would work to encourage those worse hit by the unfairness of PC |
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more and more people seem to be turning it in, the major worry is there is no new blood
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is there anybody on here paying a fixed rate?
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I remember BF saying to me it was to encourage more liquidity (the trial but it's funny because nobody was going to change knowing it was a trial ffs
If after 12 weeks you risked more and lost the equivilent in allowance you'd have been no better off I bet everyone just made sure they won every week, I know I did, think of the 6000 I made 5500 They dont run PC on trials, they are indefinate so why should users act out more risk only for it to be pulled from under em? |
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I seed the forum and get nowt for me efforts
yes you do, everyone thinks of you as the mummy of the forum and warrack hunt the daddy, you make a great couple btw |
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I think pablo given that the lays go to 10x that of backing prices they might have wanted to encourage layers at higher prices, but its not sustainable is it to give value away just to keep 500 quid more
dusty, i can't say i totally understand the thinking behind it but i get the gist of it after your explanation , thanks . imo it's simple, they need to revamp the PC ( they'll never remove it ) , doing trials is just another way of betfair trying to take the same amount in PC every week but in a different way. they should concentrate on making the markets as liquid as possible and taking commission . when i joined in 2008 , a race like this 3:00 would have near £ million matched , now it's 500k |
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is there anybody on here paying a fixed rate?
tried it for 2-3 days, didn't like it so switched back . you just end up paying the same amount but it's taken in a different way |
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mentally a fixed rate works for me
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pf, track players are who it was brought in for, they make an effort but have a huge advantage and should be adjusted accordingly
dusty, they are grasping at straws they haven't a clue what to do |
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tom, perhaps but Ive always had the impression they arnt that bothered if the exchange collapses as they arnt a tech company anymore rather a bookie like the rest
They just want users to take more risk, but clamping down on them has the opposite effect. |
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dusty, i think it's becoming obvious that they don't care and 'operation bookmaker' is well and truly working
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I'm sure they still care about the exchange, it is free no lose money.
How much was matched on the cricket yesterday or the US open final? This picture speeds is a red herring as well, they've never been faster for the home player except in Ireland. When there used to be over 1 million matched each race live video/sis/ruk were all slower pics than what they are now. As for they facetime pics, most of them are sh1te on rtv/sky pics barr ire, except for the small few top of tree There's no arguing liquidity is well down but there's people on this thread alone, at least 5 of them that are still making thousands every week. No doubt there will be a lot more still making plenty who don't post on here The competition has got harder, people get better, less 'mug' money around, only the fittest etc ... I'm also seeing more Betfair Exchange adverts these days than for a long time, theyre not cheap and not something youd think a company would do that didn't care. It might not be as good or easy as it was 2/3/4/5 years ago but it was always only going to get harder as people got better and less mug money around liquidity down yep, easier 5 years ago yep still plenty to be had yep |
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well said james
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I'm also seeing more Betfair Exchange adverts these days than for a long time, theyre not cheap and not something youd think a company would do that didn't care
yep , in my brief chat with the betfair guy, he said that they are now trying to push the exchange just as much as the sportsbook if not more, as they want them to compliment each other, and that they know they let there eye off the ball ( or something like that ) with the exchange whilst concentrating on the sportsbook . the other day i did see an advert for betfair at a bus stop , never seen that before, ever . |
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who are the 5 jd
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there are no better adverts than word of mouth when people have a chance
High tax leads to low risk and vice versa, thats the top and bottom of it |
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Me, rico, dustybin, racingluck and hopefully yourself tom.
If not I'm sure Pablo will be and probably 1 or 2 others plus I'd imagine there's far more winners that don't post on here than do |
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right well i'm not
rl, if i was paying for faster pics and got charged the same % as everyone else i wouldn't be moaning either that's the same spiel they've been putting out for years about adverts, absolute bollocks, where are all the new players for horse racing in running, it's not just a select few moaning or leaving, look on here and twitter and it's tens |
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but surely with no new blood more players will lose or just quit to the top players leaving even less liquidity in the markets until it ends up like the french or usa racing markets , maybe a few years away
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exactly bugs, people leave and die and there are no replacements it's basic maths and understanding, it's fact
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anyone who thinks latency is a red herring is only really kidding themselves and saying what they want the truth to be, its like betting on what you want the outcome of an event to - a mug bet, liquidity is slipping because a newbie looks at football or tennis and knows his /her chances of winning, in the long run, are better
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football index is gaining a lot of traction, i've looked and can't see the attraction compared to ir horses, it's not instant and the gaps either side are huge but that's where all the young guns are heading
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why is a newbies chance of winning better on the other sports rider ? , the delays are just as big on them sports with plenty off big hitting couurtsiders at the cricket , tennis and footy , but they do have great liquidity on these other sports
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If speed isn't a red herring, why was there more liquidity when the speeds were far slower for the home player?
I'd love the speeds to be faster for the home player by the way but the truth is they aint that slow on sky sports racing and rtv live video is playable. That's not to say they couldn't be faster. This comment is absolute nonsense btw liquidity is slipping because a newbie looks at football or tennis and knows his /her chances of winning, in the long run, are better Anyone thinking winning at tennis or football long term is easier than horse racing in running is clearly mistaken. The delays on both for 1 are far greater. Yet to meet anyone that makes a living on football betting although no doubt some do |
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bugs bunny, the delays are bigger in cricket but unless you bet as the bowler in running in you are betting on a level playing field, same with tennis, there are lots of soft points where its safe to bet taking a view, football is easily playable off a 30 second delay as the market suspends for major events
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Yet to meet anyone that makes a living on football betting
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