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maybe they'll have something of a renaissance during aug-october and mr moore will be heralded once again
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It’s hard to think of any jockey riding in the UK at present.... if they’d had his rides this week would have done much worse.....
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definitely a lack of confidence in his riding. His race positioning has never been the best out there, but he's got enough in other departments to get him by. A combination of confidence lacking & pressure from above will make race positioning even worse than it always was
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Isn't pressure supposed to bring out the best in the best?
Personally, I don't think he thinks he is under pressure and that's the biggest problem. If he was under pressure wouldn't Coolmore already have got rid? It seems too comfortable. He rides far too many horses as if it is primarily an educational exercise when the first priority should be to actually win the race. It's as if he is riding a first time 2yo and he wants it to finish off its race. How many times do you see him on the front end? Some of the greatest jocks ever have excelled on the front end but Moore? |
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cant recall one horse that moore has ridden for coolmore in a group 1 from the front( above 8 furlongs} to win, surely there has to be?
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his ride on buildmeupbettercup at ascot came from last 20 odd runners with 2 furlongs to go just beaten terrible waiting ride this week at galway horse was ridden in 4-5th the up with the pace won easily just like it should have done at ascot, far far too many mistakes seems to have lost his confidence and cant judge pace this last few months put him in a race with franky whos riding at the top of his game theres only one winner. you now have to think very hard when you have one of his now that didnt used to be the case, he really has lost it
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I can only remember Roly Poly in the 2017 Falmouth, and even that was over 8f; punted, after he told connections he'd ride the horse from the front instead.
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Obviously Ryan doesn't need the money anymore, so no need to prostitute himself to bookmaker adverts.
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The owner of Ladbrokes Coral has been fined £5.9m for not protecting vulnerable customers and for failings in its anti-money laundering measures.
Who is the well known jockey that is paid to advertise for this disgraceful outfit? and the adverts are still being shown on all of the racing coverage regardless. |
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I found his ride on Hermosa a bit puzzling to say the least.
Even if Hermosa was not right in the Nassau - she ran as if she'd broken a blood vessel (reminiscent of Rhododendron in the Prix Diane) - I was surprised Moore decided to rush Hermosa up to contest the lead with Dettori and Mehdaayih despite her filly was running over 10f for the very 1st time; the prudent thing would be to track Dettori/Mehdaayih. |
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APO and Ryan All Races
2015 29.58% 2016 31.72% 2017 29.89% 2018 26.56% 2019 22.31% Class 1 and 2 races only 2015 33.33% 2016 31.08% 2017 29.21% 2018 16.48% 2019 12.70% Think we need to re-frame this relationship as a marriage which is no longer working |
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All Aidan O Brien runners in Class 1 and 2 non handicap races
2015 20.83% 2016 22.05% 2017 19.23% 2018 11.27% 2019 10.92% Seemingly it is not just Ryan's fault. Coolmore is a declining empire |
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Is Galileo on the decline as a sire? Galileo sired for Aidan O Brien in Class 1 and 2 Non handicap races
2015 20.00% 2016 26.76% 2017 24.32% 2018 9.57% 2019 13.73% That's a large portion of their horses |
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they're not doing quite as badly together in Irish races
2015 29.63% 2016 33.33% 2017 34.25% 2018 38.27% 2019 28.07% but this year's is clearly not a vintage crop nobody is really talking about this which is the most amazing thing. it takes people a long time to catch up to what is happening in the present in racing as so much is based on what's happened in the past and there's so much historical bias |
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It's his race riding that's come in for scrutiny/criticism and not Stable form of APOB (and every other trainer he rides for).
Every race is like the same bad scene played over and over again. Even his staunchest fans would have to admit that he's having a horrendous year. As someone pointed out he's riding 7 days a week with nearly a ride in every race and he travels abroad most weekends and sometimes mid week as well so fatigue has to be playing a part |
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Some statistical evidence for the decline of R Moore.
Moore - fav strike rate - 26% Frankie - 45% Crowley - 60%. Moore - winners to rides - 15% Frankie - 25% Crowley - 19%. When you think about the quality of rides that Moore is on and the fact that he is very selective about what he rides. He doesn't for example ride donkeys in big handicaps at Carlisle. I agree that he is not box office anymore. Miserable git as well to punters and media. |
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Did he win any today? Not able to follow racing as I've been out all day.
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Can anyone think of a ride when Moore stole it on not the best horse? A bit like Andrea Atzeni. Way overated and the third best jockey riding for Varian.
It seems luck & politics are the skills required to ride Gp 1 horses for some jockeys. |
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Buick and Doyle - would they be Cecil's stable jockeys at his peak? Absolutely no way, and neither would Moore; Cecil did not get Cauthen from America if he thought the best jockeys were here or Ireland. I think Cecil even gave Cauthen a telling off for not making the ride (bad weather) on Faustus in a Group race as he did not make alternative travel arrangement earlier eg road instead of helicopter.
Sorry, but Moore needs to know when not to over commit and ride sh1te instead be more selective in what he rides. I believe there are at least 3 Group races he ought to have won so far this season; he lost at least 5 thro' injudicious riding of his own (not horse's ability). |
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Newmarket-spurs 04 Aug 19 17:25
Can anyone think of a ride when Moore stole it on not the best horse? A bit like Andrea Atzeni. Way overated and the third best jockey riding for Varian. It seems luck & politics are the skills required to ride Gp 1 horses for some jockeys. Perhaps Homecoming Queen in the 2012 1,000 Guineas, won easy on the day but Moore certainly got everything right, broke well and stacked them up mid race before kicking clear. Only had to go back 7 years  |
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I'll take your 7 years, duffy, and raise you 2 years to 2014
The Grey Gatsby in the Irish Champion, his efficient ride landing the spoils from Australia, whose wide trip almost certainly cost him victory, and arguably was the ride that landed RM the Ballydoyle number 1 gig! |
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i agree with you george, that ride imo " was we must get this chap at all cost " dont want him doing that again to our superstar horses
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he was only a length behind the winner from the off on Circus Maximus in SJPS. You could argue that KoC or TDH were better and should have won. That said I am not a fan. Over rated and , in the main, one dimensional. I rarely see evidence of him thinking about the different requirements of horses or particular races (though I accept that the example I have given shows forethought). The market allows a punter to benefit from healthy scepticism of his ability, or be punished for that view.
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Did anyone see the 3.45 Kempton. Came through on a Stoute newcomer with a winning run. Clearly on the best horse in the race. Went 1.02 in running.....Finished 3rd.
Best jockey on the 3rd best horse. James Doyle. Note another terrible ride from Atzeni as well. Went too soon , weak in finish. |
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Any winner today?
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Ryan seems to have lost his hunger.
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