really strange views from ruby walsh,who said ryan would have been disappointed with the other jockeys for giving atzeni a freebie on the inside, so the best jockey in the world supposedly,goes the married mans route for 2 days in the hope so called lesser jockeys block any dangers on his inside, and  if they had sed jockey,s wouldn't have got a mention and ryan hailed a superstar
so in short as well has having the pick of the rides wants the lesserjockey,s to help him out by getting in the way of any dangers as he takes the married mans route

Moore was carp on Kew Gardens, period! And no defence on his behalf plz otherwise, you're deluded.

As for Pink Dogwood to be at the back and behind Mehdaayih given this filly was already in a hapless position was woefully wrong. Then rushed-up after being 9l down on Dettori who was next to the rails at the 2f marker was another bad, bad riding by Moore. Anyone who disagree will witness this tactic will not be repeated in the Irish Oaks in July; Pink Dogwood was not outstayed just expanded all her energy getting to the front (but) with 2f to go against Annapurna who was still not got at by Dettori when Pink Dogwood went a length up on her.

Just watch how Pink Dogwood will be ridden in the Irish Oaks. But, Moore did nothing wrong in the Derby; Sir Dragonet just got ran-out-of it by 2 classier experienced horses in AVD and Madhmoon, I believe. Also, the ground might not have helped her.

YOUR reading of the races asparagus, presented as fact. So what they traded low, this can easily be viewed as a negative. ie he got them all beat from apparently winning positions.

The dissenting voices on here are certainly not all pocket talkers as you wannabe know it alls lazily like to scoff.

Defoe ran well, and was presented the race by Moore - every dog has its day. Remember Found in the Arc? She was bridesmaids more times I could remember, and also comprehensively beaten by Postponed (fav in the Arc) in the Coronation Cup; she too was presented the Arc cos' connections of Postponed went to the well too frequent eg Meydan - what the heck for? If only Cumani had been the trainer, she'd have won the Arc, I firmly believe.

interesting thread, a valuable insight into the different thought processes people use


piece de resistance is those having a go at Moore for not picking the right one in the Derby...yard had 4 separated by little more than half a length over 12f at racing pace, yet he's expected to know which is best from some 8f gallops

whether they should have won or not is not the question,
he rode every horse at the meeting the same way ,wide,mid div to back of the field, impossible for every horse to be suited to getting best position by giving same ride
every horse that beat him came up his inner besides 2 AOB,S in derby

coming wide into straight from the back,he,s no idea as in case of defoe whats happening 4,5,6 horses to his inside, tactically he just rode like a decent apprentice keep wide,mid div to back of field,keep out of trouble ,give outside to no one in the straight and if the horse is good enough he wins,veracious all though not wanted in betting was probably his worst ride of the week, 10 furlong horse ridden like a sprinter hoping to get the trip
he didn't even have the usual problems of Epsom of poor draws,not coming down the hill, hanging down the camber,lack of pace etc,etc,looked like a morphing of his Monday to thurs riding where he rides as though he,s bored with the job and would rather be doing something else somewhere else

Spot on 1st time, spot on

At Epsom.

Just the one bad ride back in 2003?,is that it?.

You need a doctor if you think he rode them all well ^

My daughter is a doctor and she assures me I am just fine.

Unless otherwise instructed the key requirements for a horse to run to it`s best is to settle, travel, quicken and battle. Which of the latter did Ryan get wrong?

Take 2" off the top of your wellingtons.

It's doubtful - even if one can attribute any blame to Moore for any of the rides in question - whether History has been changed in respect of anything but footnotes by the results at Epsom last weekend. Kew Gardens is an admirable sort no doubt, Pink Dogwood's day may yet come, and you suspect that were Broome a world beater O'Brien may not have run a phalanx of hopeless traffic to get in his way. One can hardly weep for the glory or potential breeding riches lost to the Ballydoyle machine.

The OP's question is interesting though, because there has been an example in the relatively recent past where the fallibility of men has rearranged the rightful historical pecking order among Thoroughbreds; I refer of course to the summer of 2003, and the series of calamitous rides that denied the majestic Falbrav his true place in Racing's Pantheon.