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50 Great Two-Mile Chasers.
50 Great Two-Mile Chasers.
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the final 3.
3rd desert orchid 2nd flyingbolt 1ST SPRINTER SACRE |
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What?, I refer the honourable gentlemen to Michael Dickinsons quote!!
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I think some of this is more about 'stories' than anything else. As I said everyone loves Desert Orchid but he wasn't a superstar at this distance. Sprinter Sacre made that comeback but at his best was he really better than Altior? The ratings might indicate that but I suspect one is inflated and the other an under estimate.
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differentdrum, I couldn't agree more. Altior is one of the best NH horses I have ever seen. It is impossible to be certain, but in a virtual Sprinter Sacre VS Altior match I would want to be with Altior over 2 miles at any UK racecourse.
Clearly though, any list like this is neccesarily subjective, and journalistic priorities like good 'stories' are going to come first. |
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Sprinter Sacre did look as good as any 2 mile chaser ever as prior to the heart issue.
It would be interesting to hear Mr De Boinville's opinion of Sprinter Sacre and Altior. I imagine it would be whether or not Sprinter Sacre's superior travelling and effortless jumping technique could get Altior on the floor or in trouble. If not the power packed finish Altior has would be too much for any two miler imo. Hard to agree that Desert Orchid should be so high. Gold Cup , Irish Grand National and Whitbread success , but failure every time he tried 2 miles at the festival. |
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It's not a greatest 2 miler list it's a reality tv vote. Disgusting for a trade paper.
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Cheltenham wasn't Desert Orchid's course. He jumped right-handed there. He got away with it in the Gold Cup because the ground was heavy so the pace was slow and his jumping was fairly straight, but in his Champion Chases he lost at least 10 lengths jumping right. Just as Aintree wasn't Badsworth Boy's course. He fell twice there - both times in the opening race on the Grand National card - and nearly killed himself, and Dickinson wouldn't run him there again.
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If Desert Orchid, who failed repeatedly in Champion Chases, is No. 3, then Arkle should probably be No. 1 based on victories under enormous weights in the Mackeson etc. (2.5 miles I know but it would still have been best over 2 miles). Both Flyingbolt and Badsworth Boy were much better than Sprinter Sacre.
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Arkle was actually beaten in what was I think the Massey-Ferguson,not the Mackeson. He was carrying 12-10 though and I agree with your substantive point.
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michael dickinson saying badsworth boy was the best horse he ever trained, and should have finished 2nd in the list behind flyingbolt.
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ashleigh - if memory serves, Desert Orchid had his bum smacked more than once over 2 miles by Pearlyman.
Dessie came into his own once he was upped in trip to 3 miles at Kempton on Boxing Day in the King George. |
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Anyone remember my old favourite Rathgar Beau
 Won me a fortune when he held on in a photo to beat Moscow. I believe it was the 1st time Moscow was beaten standing up over fences. Them was the old days on here. Stuck with him that whole season in the belief he was good enough and had a big win in him. Shame they went the Cathcart with him that season...he cane there cruising but his stamina ebbed away down to the lastz |
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Just an honourable mention btw
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I recall Rathgar Beau beating MF in a photo , the first to beat him in a chase he stood up in.
As for Badsworth Boy , how anyone cannot be blown away by his 3 Cheltenham wins , I have no idea. Effortless wins under hands and heels, speed ,string in the finish and his magnificent low jumping style ....yes it did cost him at Aintree and others. If Mr D says he was the best , and he is imo the best jump trainer of my lifetime , so be it. |