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What would you change to improve British racing?
What would you change to improve British racing?
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thats correct wasnot and it seems to have worked very well,market rasen family enclosure is very good in fact its better than the main enclosures.
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less racing
much less AW racing significant bans for stopping rides |
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Gordon63 27 Sep 18 09:35
less racing much less AW racing significant bans for stopping rides Some of us like AW racing but don't you worry about anyone else. |
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These are individual views, nothing to do with worrying about what anyone else thinks.
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Morning to you too Foxy, hope all's well.
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i am well jm looking forward to the winter and spring with all the great racing that comes with it,hope things are good with you.
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differentdrum 27 Sep 18 10:13
These are individual views, nothing to do with worrying about what anyone else thinks. Yes that seems a good idea to improve British racing. |
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good morning sparrow
i thought todays card at newmarket was the poorest i have seen on the opening day of the cambridgeshire meeting. |
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Good morning foxy. To be honest it's not a meeting I take a lot of notice of these days but I didn't think it was too bad. That Newmarket Whip race is getting popular now with 5 runners today as it used to be a match most years I remember.
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sparrow - I was unaware I wasn't allowed a different opinion to yours!
AW racing was introduced to cover for turf cancellations, particularly winter saturdays, this laudable idea has now morphed into Saturday 1st September - 3 AW meetings, surely overkill. I'm 100% in favour of the race programme at Chelmsford (and to a lesser extent Kempton & Newcastle) where they're putting up really great prize money for horses which prefer or at least act on the surface and where they can race into the evenings in autumn/spring, but whilst day after day of tedium at the other tracks might be doing you a favour, the reality is it's diluting the pool of horses for turf racing, hence lower field sizes, less betting, lower levy, less competition etc etc. I also believe a knock on effect of an increased quantity of lower level racing (and most AW races are below Class 3) has played into the hands of those who are prepared to bend/break the rules of racing for their own gain. But I don't have to take any interest in the Kempton 5.40, each to their own |
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gordon- My point is that we all have likes and dislikes but we should not be arguing for getting rid of meetings we personally don't like. As you say each to their own but just remember that your opinion is not necessarily shared by others and racing needs all the friends it can get. And since you mention field sizes you surely know that Class 6 races attract the biggest fields overall.
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No opinion is going to be shared by everyone. How does effectively lauding mediocrity equate to the idea that 'racing needs all the friends it can get'? Surely part of racing is improving the breed. How is that achieved by putting on loads of rubbish races for rubbish horses? It just encourages more and more rubbish.
It is pretty obvious that in any sport far more people will be interested in the best that sport has to offer, not the worst. You can't sell the sport off the back of a mass of Class 6's. The fact that they might fill just confirms how many poor horses are in training. Too many. |
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every time a jockey is being interviewed and they say "listen" , they should lose their share of prize money , or riding fee . trainers should pay £500 per "listen" , AOB can afford it so he's alright
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The sport will just be for the super rich if you have your way differentdrum. Owners spend tens of thousands keeping this "rubbish" as you call it in training and many people in work. Your thoughts on racing are simply a recipe for the demise of the industry.
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"rubbish" horses are the ones that never manage to get within 50 lengths of the winner. They are usually retired after a few runs anyway. I would make some more changes to the entry conditions and declaration system to reduce the variability in field size. Too many races are restricted to a small % of the horse population and don't attract enough entries.
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2 year old can not race over 7 fulongs / and 3 year old not over 1/5 fullongs .and 4 year old 2miles and more
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Only British bred horses can enter our classics #Brexit
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Get more people going with much reduced admission and sponsored free days.
I always quote some old Guys on the bus going to Suffolk Downs, It's cheaper than going to a movie and you might win a few bucks. They also had a lot of free days there. Meeting we went to in Norway was free admission but the beer was expensive :-) |
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sparrow - i'm proud partial owner of a 69 rated 2yo and a 60 rated 3yo, hopefully not rubbish but if there was any indication that they would be more suited for AW racing then I'd try to sell my share as personally for me that's a one way street I don't want to go down...trainers like scott dixon and others who succeed on AW have my admiration for winning regularly with 45-60 horses and for sure they have their place but the 'pyramid' structure has far too many class 5 and class 6 races and there are possibly too many horses being bred/trained
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I think you need to be relatively rich to own a horse full stop.
One of my reasons for preferring jumps to flat is the chance it offers the smaller owner to occasionally dine at the top table. You are not going to get the equivalent of Norton's Coin, Lady Rebecca, Earth Sunmmit etc. winning a Derby. Unfortunately, the fairytale stories are diminishing with the increasing dominance of the likes of Gigginstown, Ricci, JP and co. |
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if every course in the country got a new clock at the starting post it would help
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all racing should be free to watch,,after all its not only trainers and owners that keep this game on its feet,, its the punters.
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Without punters racing might well go back to it origins with aristocrats and rich owners running their horses against each others. Although it would make betting tame for the majority of us an off course Tote monopoly would put a massive amount of money into racing and to the State. With on course bookies only it might get punters off their backsides and on to the course.
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Everyone in racing is interconnected. Owners need breeders, racecourse managers, horse transporters, trainers and their staff and if they want some prize money, punters. There is no doubt that the current product is easier to access from home than on a racecourse or in a betting shop. Racecourse entry should be cheaper but it can only happen if courses get a higher percentage of betting turnover. Towcester made a brave attempt at free racing but it has now gone bust.
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get rid of bookmakers
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three biggest racing markets in the world (HK, France, USA) all tote monopolies
you do the math |
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France has plenty of Tote/Pari Mutual outlets as do Australia and Hong Kong.
Despite the number of times I've been to America I did not see much off course betting and the New York OTB even went out of business in 2010. I suppose most of it now is online. |
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Tend to agree with everything in differentdrum post 26 Sep 18 23:27.
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i agree as well kevo
also i know it wont happen but.. ...draw a line in the sand and say to owners, trainers and jockeys this is how it's going to be in the future regarding the way horses are ridden |
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The American race tracks all offer betting on other tracks, and open for that purpose on 'dark' days, Oldgit.
A substantial percentage of the pools come from off track betting in this way. |