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I don’t want any help or advice from anyone I’m just paper trading this for 7 days and will fill the results in at the end of each day. Just watch me look silly. Surely that’s not too much to ask ? 
In the summer of 1971 I did this system for the stakes below and gradually increased it to £100 a point as it started to win consistently. Probably just got a very lucky period, although it did come unstuck a couple of times at £3,100 a pop.
I was lucky enough to quit when I was well ahead (took my wife’s advice/threat’s seriously).
I used to drive to work in a brand new 1972 Rover 3500 Automatic in Mexico Brown (cost £2,250) and with £3,500 cash in two wallets. My wages were £40 a week.
Stop At A Winner On Favourites
Double up stop at a winner for 5 races only starting with £10 = Total Stake £310.
If jt or co Fav lowest race card number is selection. I’m just using returned bookmaker SP for clarity.
Friday 14th Sept
Chester 1st race 4/6 W £6.66
Doncaster 4th race 2/1 W £90 - That’s £80@2/1 = £160 less £70 loss 3 previous races.
Listowel 1st race 3/1 W£30
Salisbury 2nd race 1/8 Lost £7.50 - That’s £20@1/8 = £2.50 less £10 loss on 1st race.
Sandown 1st race 9/4 W £22.50
Profit/Loss on Day = £141.66
Saturday 15th Sept
Chester
Chelmsford
Listowel
Doncaster
Bath
Musselburgh
Leopardstown
Lingfield
Profit/Loss on Day =
Sunday 16th September
Ffos Las
Currah
Bath
Profit/Loss on Day =
Monday 17th September
Hexham
Brighton
Worcester
Galway
Kempton
Profit/Loss on Day =
Tuesday 18th September
Yarmouth
Lingfield
Redcar
Galway
Kempton
Profit/Loss on Day =
Wednesday 19th September
Sandown
Beverley
Yarmouth
Naas
Kelso
Profit/Loss on Day =
Thursday 20th September
Yarmouth
Ayr
Pontefract
Clonmel
Chelmsford
Profit/Loss on Day =
Friday 21st September
Newbury
Ayr
Newton Abbot
Newcastle
Profit/Loss on Day =
Profit/Loss on Week =
In the summer of 1971 I did this system for the stakes below and gradually increased it to £100 a point as it started to win consistently. Probably just got a very lucky period, although it did come unstuck a couple of times at £3,100 a pop.
I was lucky enough to quit when I was well ahead (took my wife’s advice/threat’s seriously).
I used to drive to work in a brand new 1972 Rover 3500 Automatic in Mexico Brown (cost £2,250) and with £3,500 cash in two wallets. My wages were £40 a week.
Stop At A Winner On Favourites
Double up stop at a winner for 5 races only starting with £10 = Total Stake £310.
If jt or co Fav lowest race card number is selection. I’m just using returned bookmaker SP for clarity.
Friday 14th Sept
Chester 1st race 4/6 W £6.66
Doncaster 4th race 2/1 W £90 - That’s £80@2/1 = £160 less £70 loss 3 previous races.
Listowel 1st race 3/1 W£30
Salisbury 2nd race 1/8 Lost £7.50 - That’s £20@1/8 = £2.50 less £10 loss on 1st race.
Sandown 1st race 9/4 W £22.50
Profit/Loss on Day = £141.66
Saturday 15th Sept
Chester
Chelmsford
Listowel
Doncaster
Bath
Musselburgh
Leopardstown
Lingfield
Profit/Loss on Day =
Sunday 16th September
Ffos Las
Currah
Bath
Profit/Loss on Day =
Monday 17th September
Hexham
Brighton
Worcester
Galway
Kempton
Profit/Loss on Day =
Tuesday 18th September
Yarmouth
Lingfield
Redcar
Galway
Kempton
Profit/Loss on Day =
Wednesday 19th September
Sandown
Beverley
Yarmouth
Naas
Kelso
Profit/Loss on Day =
Thursday 20th September
Yarmouth
Ayr
Pontefract
Clonmel
Chelmsford
Profit/Loss on Day =
Friday 21st September
Newbury
Ayr
Newton Abbot
Newcastle
Profit/Loss on Day =
Profit/Loss on Week =
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Good Luck - an interesting concept
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Good luck happysandwich
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great story Happy. good luck although as you well know this is likely to end in tears!
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as expected. fav backers f@cked up the @ss as always
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should have just stuck with Poppy
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^^^^
Thanks to you 4 Certainly was a double whammy today. When I did it in the early 70’s there was no mobiles, computers or Exchanges. If you wanted a horse to lose in them days it would have to be doped and you would have to have been connected to bookmakers in some way to make money. Betfair was the best thing to have happened to the horses welfare. Friday 14th Sept Chester 1st race 4/6 W £6.66 Doncaster 4th race 2/1 W £90 - That’s £80@2/1 = £160 less £70 loss 3 previous races. Listowel 1st race 3/1 W£30 Salisbury 2nd race 1/8 Lost £7.50 - That’s £20@1/8 = £2.50 less £10 loss on 1st race. Sandown 1st race 9/4 W £22.50 Profit on Day = £141.66 Saturday 15th Sept Chester Lost £310 Chelmsford 2nd race 9/4 W £35.00 Listowel Lost £310 Doncaster 2nd race 5/2 W £40.00 Bath 2nd race 2/1 W £30.00 Musselburgh 1st race 10/11 W £9.09 Leopardstown 3rd race 6/5 W £18.00 Lingfield 3rd race 8/11 Lost £0.90 Loss on Day = £487.01 Sunday 16th September Ffos Las Currah Bath Profit/Loss on Day = Monday 17th September Hexham Brighton Worcester Galway Kempton Profit/Loss on Day = Tuesday 18th September Yarmouth Lingfield Redcar Galway Kempton Profit/Loss on Day = Wednesday 19th September Sandown Beverley Yarmouth Naas Kelso Profit/Loss on Day = Thursday 20th September Yarmouth Ayr Pontefract Clonmel Chelmsford Profit/Loss on Day = Friday 21st September Newbury Ayr Newton Abbot Newcastle Profit/Loss on Day = Profit/Loss on Week = |
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Days betting finished on the second race at each meeting.
Why can't every day be like that.  Friday 14th Sept Chester 1st race 4/6 W £6.66 Doncaster 4th race 2/1 W £90 - That’s £80@2/1 = £160 less £70 loss 3 previous races. Listowel 1st race 3/1 W£30 Salisbury 2nd race 1/8 Lost £7.50 - That’s £20@1/8 = £2.50 less £10 loss on 1st race. Sandown 1st race 9/4 W £22.50 Profit on Day = £141.66 Saturday 15th Sept Chester Lost £310 Chelmsford 2nd race 9/4 W £35.00 Listowel Lost £310 Doncaster 2nd race 5/2 W £40.00 Bath 2nd race 2/1 W £30.00 Musselburgh 1st race 10/11 W £9.09 Leopardstown 3rd race 6/5 W £18.00 Lingfield 3rd race 8/11 Lost £0.90 Loss on Day = £487.01 Sunday 16th September Ffos Las 2nd race 5/4 W £15.00 Currah 2nd race 11/8 W £17.50 Bath 2nd race 5/4 W £15.00 Profit on Day = £47.50 Monday 17th September Hexham Brighton Worcester Galway Kempton Profit/Loss on Day = Tuesday 18th September Yarmouth Lingfield Redcar Galway Kempton Profit/Loss on Day = Wednesday 19th September Sandown Beverley Yarmouth Naas Kelso Profit/Loss on Day = Thursday 20th September Yarmouth Ayr Pontefract Clonmel Chelmsford Profit/Loss on Day = Friday 21st September Newbury Ayr Newton Abbot Newcastle Profit/Loss on Day = Loss on Week = -£297.85 |
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hs assume you're backing 'unnamed favourite' rather than trying to identify favourite ?
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2nd race winner at bath was 3/1 and wasnt the fav
another losing day for fav backers |
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i make it a £58 loss on the day happy
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sorry...make that a £58 loss at bath
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Sunday 16th September
Ffos Las 2nd race 5/4 W £15.00 Currah 2nd race 11/8 W £17.50 Bath 2nd race 5/4 W £15.00 Profit on Day = £47.50 bath didn't have winning fav till 5th race so would of been £160 @4/7 = 91.42 - £150 (previous stakes)= -£58.58 loss on day = £26.08 |
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Do Bookies still take stop at a winner bets or are you placing them race by race.
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He is paper trading Oldgit.
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@BornToWin
He is paper trading Oldgit. Saw that and thought you was talking to me. @posy assume you're backing 'unnamed favourite' rather than trying to identify favourite ? Yes, 'unnamed favourite', I’m only paper trading it for fun and have no intention of doing it for real money. I did it in the early 70’s before the Exchanges and mobile phones. Used betting shops and had accounts with independent bookies. Too long a story to explain everything, especially how I was betting in 100’s. I go back before betting shops when it was ‘bookies runners’ which was illegal. This is an example of what I would write on a betting slip in a shop but if I was staying in the shop I would put the bets on individually as required. Bookies were completely different in those days. Stop at a Winner If jt or co Fav lowest race card number applies. £10 win Fav Bath 2.10 £20 win Fav Bath 2.45 £40 win Fav Bath 3.55 £80 win Fav Bath 4.30 £160 win Fav Bath 5.05 Stake £310 @Charlton2005 @warhan What would I do without you two keeping an eye on me ? These are the correct figures that I will update after tomorrow's racing. Sunday 16th September Ffos Las 2nd race 5/4 W £15.00 Currah 2nd race 11/8 W £17.50 Bath 5th race 4/7 Lost £58.58 Loss on Day = £26.08 |
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Don't look if you're squeamish.
Friday 14th Sept Chester 1st race 4/6 W £6.66 Doncaster 4th race 2/1 W £90 - That’s £80@2/1 = £160 less £70 loss 3 previous races. Listowel 1st race 3/1 W£30 Salisbury 2nd race 1/8 Lost £7.50 - That’s £20@1/8 = £2.50 less £10 loss on 1st race. Sandown 1st race 9/4 W £22.50 Profit on Day = £141.66 Saturday 15th Sept Chester Lost £310 Chelmsford 2nd race 9/4 W £35.00 Listowel Lost £310 Doncaster 2nd race 5/2 W £40.00 Bath 2nd race 2/1 W £30.00 Musselburgh 1st race 10/11 W £9.09 Leopardstown 3rd race 6/5 W £18.00 Lingfield 3rd race 8/11 Lost £0.90 Loss on Day = £487.01 Sunday 16th September Ffos Las 2nd race 5/4 W £15.00 Currah 2nd race 11/8 W £17.50 Bath 5th race 4/7 Lost £58.58 Loss on Day = £26.08 Monday 17th September Hexham 3rd race 13/8 W £35.00 Brighton 2nd race 13/8 W £22.50 Worcester 1st race 4/1 W £40.00 Galway Lost £310 Kempton 3rd race 2/7 Lost £18.52 Loss on Day = £231.02 Tuesday 18th September Yarmouth Lingfield Redcar Galway Kempton Profit/Loss on Day = Wednesday 19th September Sandown Beverley Yarmouth Naas Kelso Profit/Loss on Day = Thursday 20th September Yarmouth Ayr Pontefract Clonmel Chelmsford Profit/Loss on Day = Friday 21st September Newbury Ayr Newton Abbot Newcastle Profit/Loss on Day = Loss on Week = -£602.45 |
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Looks like you should stop at the Irish Sea
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send me a fiver and i'll start laying the irish favs - you'll never be minus £310 again ...
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@madhatters
@hulk23 It’s only an exercise but certainly an eye opener with 3 meetings in 3 days without a favourite winning. I’ll continue until Friday and then let it go off the page. Maybe one of you two could do a chart like mine on Laying or backing at Irish meets, just for a bit of interest over the course of a week ? |
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Wudn't touch it with your bread sarnie
As an exercise 8 days wudn't be much of a sample My personal is to leave Ire to those who know or think they do Maybe top class meets Enuff this side to blow your brains e.g 30% win e.g 5 x 6 races today for simplicity = 30 Approx 10 faves to win But ... they could have all been at 2 meetings Wallop Simples GL looking for the Coronation chicken or Fool's Gold Loaf Consists of a single warmed, hollowed-out loaf of bread filled with one jar of creamy peanut butter, one jar of grape jelly, and a pound of bacon. In 1976, Elvis Presley and some of his friends flew to Colorado to consume them. - Wiki |
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nox says he doesnt believe it
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needs tweaking
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Pure pony
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Jog round the block ......if u want an excercise
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Freddy
I’ve been jogging on the spot ever since I started typing this thread and now have the best looking calf muscles on the forum. |
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can i stop laying the irish favs ? have you won enough ...
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Friday 14th Sept
Chester 1st race 4/6 W £6.66 Doncaster 4th race 2/1 W £90 - That’s £80@2/1 = £160 less £70 loss 3 previous races. Listowel 1st race 3/1 W£30 Salisbury 2nd race 1/8 Lost £7.50 - That’s £20@1/8 = £2.50 less £10 loss on 1st race. Sandown 1st race 9/4 W £22.50 Profit on Day = £141.66 Saturday 15th Sept Chester Lost £310 Chelmsford 2nd race 9/4 W £35.00 Listowel Lost £310 Doncaster 2nd race 5/2 W £40.00 Bath 2nd race 2/1 W £30.00 Musselburgh 1st race 10/11 W £9.09 Leopardstown 3rd race 6/5 W £18.00 Lingfield 3rd race 8/11 Lost £0.90 Loss on Day = £487.01 Sunday 16th September Ffos Las 2nd race 5/4 W £15.00 Currah 2nd race 11/8 W £17.50 Bath 5th race 4/7 Lost £58.58 Loss on Day = £26.08 Monday 17th September Hexham 3rd race 13/8 W £35.00 Brighton 2nd race 13/8 W £22.50 Worcester 1st race 4/1 W £40.00 Galway Lost £310 Kempton 3rd race 2/7 Lost £18.52 Loss on Day = £231.02 Tuesday 18th September Yarmouth 1st race 1/2 W £5.00 Lingfield 1st race 6/4 W £15.00 Redcar 3rd race 7/2 W £110.00 Galway 1st race 8/15 W £5.33 Kempton 4th race 13/8 W £60.00 Profit on Day = £195.33 Wednesday 19th September Sandown Beverley Yarmouth Naas Kelso Profit/Loss on Day = Thursday 20th September Yarmouth Ayr Pontefract Clonmel Chelmsford Profit/Loss on Day = Friday 21st September Newbury Ayr Newton Abbot Newcastle Profit/Loss on Day = Loss on Week = -£407.12 |
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Only two more day's - then I'll leave you all alone.
Friday 14th Sept Chester 1st race 4/6 Won £6.66 Doncaster 4th race 2/1 Won £90 - That’s £80@2/1 = £160 less £70 loss 3 previous races. Listowel 1st race 3/1 Won £30 Salisbury 2nd race 1/8 Lost £7.50 - That’s £20@1/8 = £2.50 less £10 loss on 1st race. Sandown 1st race 9/4 Won £22.50 Profit on Day = £141.66 Saturday 15th Sept Chester Lost £310 Chelmsford 2nd race 9/4 Won £35.00 Listowel Lost £310 Doncaster 2nd race 5/2 Won £40.00 Bath 2nd race 2/1 Won £30.00 Musselburgh 1st race 10/11 Won £9.09 Leopardstown 3rd race 6/5 Won £18.00 Lingfield 3rd race 8/11 Lost £0.90 Loss on Day = £487.01 Sunday 16th September Ffos Las 2nd race 5/4 Won £15.00 Currah 2nd race 11/8 Won £17.50 Bath 5th race 4/7 Lost £58.58 Loss on Day = £26.08 Monday 17th September Hexham 3rd race 13/8 Won £35.00 Brighton 2nd race 13/8 Won £22.50 Worcester 1st race 4/1 Won £40.00 Galway Lost £310 Kempton 3rd race 2/7 Lost £18.52 Loss on Day = £231.02 Tuesday 18th September Yarmouth 1st race 1/2 Won £5.00 Lingfield 1st race 6/4 Won £15.00 Redcar 3rd race 7/2 Won £110.00 Galway 1st race 8/15 Won £5.33 Kempton 4th race 13/8 Won £60.00 Profit on Day = £195.33 Wednesday 19th September Sandown 1st race 7/4 Won £17.50 Beverley 4th race 11/4 Won £150.00 Yarmouth 2nd race 2/1 Won £30.00 Naas 4th race 4/7 Lost £24.29 Kelso 1st race 6/4 Won £15.00 Profit on Day = £188.21 Thursday 20th September Yarmouth Ayr Pontefract Clonmel Chelmsford Profit/Loss on Day = Friday 21st September Newbury Ayr Newton Abbot Newcastle Profit/Loss on Day = Loss on Week = -£218.91 |
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Crawling your way back happysandwich, keep going
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Andrew,
Might break even by Friday – fingers crossed. Having 3 losing meetings in one week I don’t remember that happening back in the day. Only £218.91 down on the week after those 3 lost £930 ain’t too bad. |
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Hope you might keep going another week hs and as someone mentioned earlier perhaps exclude Ireland.
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"Having 3 losing meetings in one week I don’t remember that happening back in the day."
Happy - You started 14th Sept, so I did a very quick check for the preceding 8 days on the BBC Results Page which just shows the Race Winners :- https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/horse-racing/uk-ireland/results/2018-09-06 That shows there were 5 Meetings (listed below) which did not have a Fav win in the first 5 Races :- 6th Sept - Haydock 7th Sept - Newcastle 8th Sept - Navan 9th Sept - Fontwell 10th Sept - 11th Sept - Worcester 12th Sept - 13th Sept - Including your Results, that means there have been 8 meetings between 6th-19th Sept, that have not had a fav winner (first 5 Races), for a loss of £2480 across 14 days. You aren't picking up enough on the winners to cover those losses. 6th Sept is as far back as the BBC Site goes, and I can't be bothered to check back any further on any other Site, but it doesn't look promising. |
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Mice-elf and-eye
Thanks for taking the time doing that, it’s an eye opener for me. (forgive the pun). It just confirms my gut feeling that being able to Lay horses has had an impact on results. When I did it back then there were only 2 or 3 meetings a day and I would avoid meetings where there were big fields because big price Favs are too risky to rely on. The other type of meeting I avoided was small fields where there were 2 or 3 odds on Favs, a 4/7 in the 4th is a waste of time and money. What got me thinking back then was looking at the previous days results in the paper and trying to find the common denominator or what have all those Winners got in common. It wasn’t the Trainer, Jockey or race distance. The answer was nothing really, except at every meeting there was at least one that had the word FAV after it’s name. Then I did a check like you did and it seemed too good to be true. So the next day there were two meetings and I decided I would give it a try by doubling up starting with a tenner. Can’t remember the two meetings but the start would have been 2.00 and 2.15 so £10 on both Favs and both got beaten. Then it was £20 on the 2.30 and it won at 5/2 – no more bets at that meeting. Then £20 on the 2.45 it lost so £40 on the 3.15 and it came in at 11/4 no more bets at that meeting I’d made £120 on the day. To be continued ……. |
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I won’t post any more results on this thread after Friday, instead if you cut & paste the meetings below into “Word” you can fill in the results yourselves with your own Do’s & Don’ts list and maybe different stakes.
This is just an example you could make your own list before Saturday and maybe share it. :- 1. No Irish meetings. 2. Ignore meetings where 2 of the first 5 Favs are likely to be 4/1 or bigger. 3. Ignore meetings where 2 of the first 5 Favs are likely to be Odds on. 4. Stipulate whether in the case of jt or co Favs race card number is highest or lowest for the selection. 5. First 4 races only – Stake = £20, £40, £80 & £160 = £300 6. ……….. Saturday 22nd Sept Ayr Chelmsford Newbury Catterick Newmarket Wolverhampton Gowran Park (IRE) Profit/Loss on Day = £ Sunday 23rd Sept Hamilton Uttoxeter Plumpton Navan (IRE) Profit/Loss on Day = £ Monday 24th Sept Hamilton Kempton Leicester Newcastle Faityhouse (IRE) Profit/Loss on Day = £ Tuesday 25th Sept Lingfield Beverley Warwick Chelmsford Profit/Loss on Day = £ Wednesday 26th Sept Goodwood Perth Redcar Wolverhampton Profit/Loss on Day = £ Thursday 27th Sept Kempton Newmarket Perth Pontefract Profit/Loss on Day = £ Friday 28th Sept Haydock Newcastle Newmarket Worcester Profit/Loss on Day = Saturday 29th Sept Chelmsford Chester Haydock Park Market Rasen Newmarket Ripon Profit/Loss on Day = £ Profit/Loss on Week = £ |
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The Irish meeting on Monday 24th is at Fairyhouse (IRE) NOT Faityhouse (IRE).
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about another 200 lost today?
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I concur. And as your all aware some Lay betters / traders use this information as part of their strategy. A fine example today, with only two favourites winning out of seven races at Yarmouth, and similarly the preceding two days !!!
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Sorry about that Charlton2005 I was busy and almost forgot about looking at my thread, nothing sinister.
£146.25 loss to be exact.  I spent all that time making the above template of next weeks meetings and not one person has told me they have cut and pasted it. Sad. Friday 14th Sept Chester 1st race 4/6 Won £6.66 Doncaster 4th race 2/1 Won £90 - That’s £80@2/1 = £160 less £70 loss 3 previous races. Listowel 1st race 3/1 Won £30 Salisbury 2nd race 1/8 Lost £7.50 - That’s £20@1/8 = £2.50 less £10 loss on 1st race. Sandown 1st race 9/4 Won £22.50 Profit on Day = £141.66 Saturday 15th Sept Chester Lost £310 Chelmsford 2nd race 9/4 Won £35.00 Listowel Lost £310 Doncaster 2nd race 5/2 Won £40.00 Bath 2nd race 2/1 Won £30.00 Musselburgh 1st race 10/11 Won £9.09 Leopardstown 3rd race 6/5 Won £18.00 Lingfield 3rd race 8/11 Lost £0.90 Loss on Day = £487.01 Sunday 16th September Ffos Las 2nd race 5/4 Won £15.00 Currah 2nd race 11/8 Won £17.50 Bath 5th race 4/7 Lost £58.58 Loss on Day = £26.08 Monday 17th September Hexham 3rd race 13/8 Won £35.00 Brighton 2nd race 13/8 Won £22.50 Worcester 1st race 4/1 Won £40.00 Galway Lost £310 Kempton 3rd race 2/7 Lost £18.52 Loss on Day = £231.02 Tuesday 18th September Yarmouth 1st race 1/2 Won £5.00 Lingfield 1st race 6/4 Won £15.00 Redcar 3rd race 7/2 Won £110.00 Galway 1st race 8/15 Won £5.33 Kempton 4th race 13/8 Won £60.00 Profit on Day = £195.33 Wednesday 19th September Sandown 1st race 7/4 Won £17.50 Beverley 4th race 11/4 Won £150.00 Yarmouth 2nd race 2/1 Won £30.00 Naas 4th race 4/7 Lost £24.29 Kelso 1st race 6/4 Won £15.00 Profit on Day = £188.21 Thursday 20th September Yarmouth 3rd race 13/8 Won £35.00 Ayr Lost £310 Pontefract 2nd race 11/4 Won £45.00 Clonmel 1st race 11/4 Won £27.50 Chelmsford 1st race 13/8 Won £16.25 Loss on Day = -£146.25 Friday 21st September Newbury Ayr Newton Abbot Newcastle Profit/Loss on Day = Loss on Week = -£365.16 |
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September and the start of Autumn probably not the best time to begin this system as horses start to go in their coat and fields get bigger as trainers are desperate to get runs into horses who have been kept away from the racecourse due to firm ground. I think the ideal time to have run this would have been between May and August.
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