TAKE THE 7/4.....

Andrew and Dom agree = certainty.

Well done Andrew, maybe you should stick to sellers.

Result rather reinforces a lot of respected opinions on here, no prizes for guessing which two "ego's" picks finished unplaced.

well done winners, a few fancied that at a nice price.

zsa zsa found a nice LAY as well. 

Leaving out Burkeys and Pauls, nice tricast

Well done to Dom aswell.

BAMOS Zapi! BAMOS collaborations

ZZGBL wd with place lays.

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Nice win, although never actually backed it myself but did lay the Evans horse small (£20).

It amazes me as to how naive people are who bet, who actually have no idea of how corrupt and bent the game is, and were ever expecting the Evans horse to run a race today. Some people are so naive they deserve to lose.

Dom is their anything they do pre race on non trying days like less feed/water or too much morning exercise or is it just race against pre determined biases or poor tactics?

there*

Dom


Given what you have just said why only a £20 lay????

I didnt think Hilight had a chance and laid out £300

domino14    23 Aug 18 14:14 
Nice win, although never actually backed it myself but did lay the Evans horse small (£20).

It amazes me as to how naive people are who bet, who actually have no idea of how corrupt and bent the game is, and were ever expecting the Evans horse to run a race today. Some people are so naive they deserve to lose.

but you only laid for a score?  but risk £500 if you have a bet?

Yes Zsa Zsa, quite simply, I am not really betting for a few days for family reasons and in and out of hospital with family all day, and haven't slept in 3 days, and I'm not in good form at all. I placed 4 bets this am, all small to try and take my mind off a few things.

pmsl walofs.

@Denzil

I've ridden many a horses in the morning, and given them a breeze to make sure they run flat in the afternoon.

I don't know many yards that wont do that with a horse they don't want to win. It's the easiest way to make sure it runs flat.

Toxic game domi. If not of sound mind, best taking a complete break from it.

jackanory.

Very testing couple of weeks ahead for my family. But have to try and keep doing the normal things or you end up putting yourself in a worse place.

I'm glad your find a member of my family slowly dying and it means I'm not doing things normally Willie. What a disgusting piece of work you are.

maybe..whilst you are are a complete fantasist.

Good luck with the family dom, hope all goes well

let me get this right..you have a family member close to death,never slept for 3 days,spending all day in and out of hospital,but still finding time to study the form and lay and back horses?

Hardly Willie, the dirty criminal shows what a nasty piece of sc um he is.

PM me your address, you think no one will bloody meet you. I will, and I'll make sure you never breathe air again.

would have thought i would be the last thing on anyones mind.

come to newcastle,hexham oe sedge next time its on..cant wait.

domino..you are a confirmed liar/fantasist...i wouldnt believe if you said tomorrow was fri.

your fables have more holes in them than a brasses tights.

so,why would i now believe a confirmed liar?

domino14    09 Apr 18 17:29 
My mate sends me them for free, I don't bet them but been recording them and if anyone seriously follows them to £100 a point, they must be insane.

domino14
21 Jun 18 08:19
I foolishly signed up to Isiris around 6 months ago, via the Mainline and MYC services.

now,one of them statements was a fabrication. As i say..once a liar blah blah blah.

I think Paul might have got the wrong Evans horse

   I've ridden many a horses in the morning, and given them a breeze to make sure they run flat in the afternoon.

      do you have any thought for the " naive   " punters backing said horses dom. ??

the only horse hes ridden was at the chelsea funfair.

@lasgowcalling

None at all. Owners pay the bills, punters often ruin prices. Get what they deserve in my book.

When will we next see "Paul the B" ??

Spread set at 25-29 September

I don't quite understand why people announce their private issues on here,so no sympathy here.
Exactly why depress us all on here with personal woes.
Just my opinion.

maybe i should get out more, but i am quite gobsmacked by that comment.

@ dom.

When will we next see "Paul the B" ??

Spread set at 25-29 September

that's a great pitch equine , i'd have to sell though

RothmanMike    23 Aug 18 15:13 
I don't quite understand why people announce their private issues on here,so no sympathy here.
Exactly why depress us all on here with personal woes.
Just my opinion.

it isnt your opinion you're 100% correct,its anyone with an iota of brain..why announce anything to anonymous people in an anonymous forum?  fkin pathetic people thats why.
especially when you've already been ousted as a liar.

Is the Paul The B the most unlucky human being in history 1 from 19 on what are essentially coin flip prices takes some beating

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@lasgowcalling

None at all. Owners pay the bills, punters often ruin prices. Get what they deserve in my book.

without punters there would be no racing

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@Denzil

I've ridden many a horses in the morning, and given them a breeze to make sure they run flat in the afternoon.

if you worked in financial services and you copped to this, you would be in jail

wouldnt believe a word he says charlie.

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Yes Zsa Zsa, quite simply, I am not really betting for a few days for family reasons and in and out of hospital with family all day, and haven't slept in 3 days, and I'm not in good form at all. I placed 4 bets this am, all small to try and take my mind off a few things.

we are all different and people cope in different ways but i doubt there are too many shrinks that would advise gambling in order to cope with your situation?

Willie Shafter.    23 Aug 18 14:33 
let me get this right..you have a family member close to death,never slept for 3 days,spending all day in and out of hospital,but still finding time to study the form and lay and back horses?

that was my opinion.

certainly seems strange willie

I've ridden many a horses in the morning, and given them a breeze to make sure they run flat in the afternoon.

I don't know many yards that wont do that with a horse they don't want to win. It's the easiest way to make sure it runs flat.

I could be horribly wrong here but how often do horses running in the afternoon do anything like serious work on that morning? I can imagine some having a light canter (but away from the horses ding work) or a swim but it would stand out like a sore thumb a horse running on the day getting breathless when everybody knows it shouldn't. Guving a horse a big feed and water too soon to the race is a much easier way to impact a peformace I believe.
I know it's American so a bit different (I'd say they are more likely to work them on race day as so many are trained at the tracks) but:

At some point in the morning, the horse may be walked – or perhaps jogged or galloped on the track for a few minutes – for a warm-up. (Horses are never “worked” on race day). After that, and a bath, the horse will be muzzled to keep it from any further eating. Like all professional athletes, it will do better in competition on a light stomach.

http://www.toconline.com/racingownership/owner-handbook/race-day/

Horse Racing > Chep 23rd Aug : 1m Hcap    Showing 1 - 2 of 2 Selections
Selection    Odds    Stake(£)    Bid type    Placed    Profit/loss(£)
Bond Angel    3.00    33.00    Lay    23-Aug-18 07:32    33.00
Zapateado    10.62    6.00    Back    23-Aug-18 06:19    57.71
*Average odds: On  Off    Back subtotal:    57.71
Lay subtotal:    33.00
Market subtotal:    90.71
Commission @ 5.59%:    5.07
Net Market Total:    85.64


Horse Racing > Chep 23rd Aug : To Be Placed    Showing 1 - 1 of 1 Selections
Selection    Odds    Stake(£)    Bid type    Placed    Profit/loss(£)
Zapateado    *    2.95    25.00    Back         48.68
*Average odds: On  Off    Back subtotal:    48.68
Lay subtotal:    0.00
Market subtotal:    48.68
Commission @ 5.59%:    2.72
Net Market Total:    45.96

Only shrapnel bet on the win and didn't get all matched before going to work, but it was worth it.

I'm not going to give Paul any flak, if he hadn't posted, i wouldn't have bothered with the race.

WDA.

punters often ruin prices. Get what they deserve in my book.


Sound like a top man tbf - I hope you never take a price that shortens. Just because you are stupid enough to pay Isiris no need to take it out on other punters. Why not take the punting away altogether and have no horse racing at all?

The trouble is "ruining a price" only takes a couple of hundred quid nowadays - and lets be fair most of these prices get ruined due to the fact we see stupid little pr1cks blatantly cheating like fook on them time and time again (probably also taking brown envelopes no doubt). So plenty of punters wait and have a punt when they think they are actually going to be trying.

daps..he didnt pay

domino14    09 Apr 18 17:29 
My mate sends me them for free, I don't bet them but been recording them and if anyone seriously follows them to £100 a point, they must be insane.

oops...

domino14
21 Jun 18 08:19
I foolishly signed up to Isiris around 6 months ago, via the Mainline and MYC services.

Ok WS, I still stand by my last part though:


The trouble is "ruining a price" only takes a couple of hundred quid nowadays - and lets be fair most of these prices get ruined due to the fact we see stupid little pr1cks blatantly cheating like fook on them time and time again (probably also taking brown envelopes no doubt). So plenty of punters wait and have a punt when they think they are actually going to be trying.

daps..he did pay...


to me to you..

or did he

3 pages two reed did this beast win oat knot please

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I've ridden many a horses in the morning, and given them a breeze to make sure they run flat in the afternoon.

I don't know many yards that wont do that with a horse they don't want to win. It's the easiest way to make sure it runs flat.

I could be horribly wrong here but how often do horses running in the afternoon do anything like serious work on that morning? I can imagine some having a light canter (but away from the horses ding work) or a swim but it would stand out like a sore thumb a horse running on the day getting breathless when everybody knows it shouldn't. Guving a horse a big feed and water too soon to the race is a much easier way to impact a peformace I believe.
I know it's American so a bit different (I'd say they are more likely to work them on race day as so many are trained at the tracks) but:

At some point in the morning, the horse may be walked – or perhaps jogged or galloped on the track for a few minutes – for a warm-up. (Horses are never “worked” on race day). After that, and a bath, the horse will be muzzled to keep it from any further eating. Like all professional athletes, it will do better in competition on a light stomach.

http://www.toconline.com/racingownership/owner-handbook/race-day/

very good point spyker, which certainly seems to back up willie's contention that not much that dom says is true

So using a website based in USA and believing what it states hahaha

You are both so clueless it's so unreal.

You do realise, 100m sprinters often run 2 heats in a day or two competitions in a day.

You do realise horses canter to the start on most races.

Having a gallop in the morning may take the edge off and see they run flat but you would be foolish to think it would mean they would no race at all.

If you don't think that trainers use galloping a horse the morning of a race to make sure the horse wont win, you are also very naive. I can tell you for FACT I have done it many times for a number of trainers.

Is that not all but the same as stopping one in a race dom?


It's like saying "I never cheated in a race but cheated before the race started"

Used to put the greyhounds on a bone all day that stops the fookers

And in a nice way none of this cutting there quicks too short so it hurts to run evil cxxts

Just stick them on a nice juicy bone all day

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So using a website based in USA and believing what it states hahaha

You are both so clueless it's so unreal.

You do realise, 100m sprinters often run 2 heats in a day or two competitions in a day.

You do realise horses canter to the start on most races.

Having a gallop in the morning may take the edge off and see they run flat but you would be foolish to think it would mean they would no race at all.

If you don't think that trainers use galloping a horse the morning of a race to make sure the horse wont win, you are also very naive. I can tell you for FACT I have done it many times for a number of trainers.

anyone else think this should be reported to the jockey club?

Dom....just telling their jockey words to the effect of "not today" is what most trainers do......a competent jockey has numerous ways that he/she can do this .......so you have given many horses a breeze on the morning of a race for many trainers....and the stable staff have been aware of this?....or have you been told to take the horse off on your own without the knowledge of the stable staff?....

Stable staff aware and many stable staff will have done the same.

The fact is, it's not against the rules of racing to train a horse how you see fit.

Yes you will know the horse wont run to 100% in the race but the horse will be running in the race on merits but just run flat.

The jockey club are well aware of it going on.

I rode at Wolverhampton a few years ago and the stewards and vet wanted to check a horse in the stable yard before racing as they had been informed the horse had been galloped in the morning and was not fit to race, however the horse will be checked over and it will show no effects of it having a gallop in the morning. So nothing they can do.

It's not against the rules of racing, and tbh no different to say a horse which is having it's 3rd run for a mark, and in the 2 weeks since its last race, it will have only gone on the walker since at home to make sure the horse blows up in the race.

The horse will still run to achieve it's best possible position but it wont be 100% so it wont be able to. Nothing against the rules of racing, but a classic point of why blind punters face such a stiff task to back winners.

As I said this morning, in every handicap of lesser grades every day, at least half the horses running will not be running with any chance of winning.

thankyou for that charlton.

ive emailed a copy to the bha and jockey club.

thank you willie

as i mentioned earlier, this kind of "insider trading" is a jailable offence in the financial services industries, so why should it be tolerated in this game?

and if dom is correct and this breaks no rules, then perhaps they should institute a new rule or two

ive told them that dombo is in the forum and is ubiquitous.

You can't govern how horses are trained at home Charlton. Many trainers have their own gallops, there would be no way of ANYONE knowing just what goes on, on them.

I know of two trainers with a license this very moment who aren't even training their horses, and wouldn't know some of the horses in the yard if they were stood in front of them.

Does anyone on here know of a case where a horse has been breezed/worked on the morning of the race?......maybe owners/former owners/former stable staff/or with connections to current/former stable staff?.......who can give support to this happening.....as a former owner, and having worked in a yard, and having connections to current stable staff......I can honestly say it is news to me!!.....as I said before, there are other options for a trainer who is that way inclined and would prefer his/her horse not to win on that day that would not come to the attention of wagging/disapproving tongues!!

and is ubiquitous.

Yeah eye agree eye fink

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Does anyone on here know of a case where a horse has been breezed/worked on the morning of the race?...

Off cause they fooking aint how mad would that be

Domino i think you are ubiquitous

and you know that for a fact do you Ghost?

@Layemall

I could name 6 yards I know that do/done it. I won't name them on here.

Owners probably wouldn't even know.

There's a video on the internet about race fixing, by Paul Kenyon where a trainer says they have done it on a recorded video, can't remember which trainer it was, but it was a small jumps trainer.

From everyone ive known in the game no one has every even mentioned it.


Mentioned plenty of other ways they stop one tho.

Ask gutfeeling he would know, nowt that man dont know about horses

@Layemall

I could name 6 yards I know that do/done it. I won't name them on here.

Well your fooking cruel then what if one broke down in its race cause some daft midgit of a jockey had done as you have said and fooked up.

WAC

Cruel ?

How ?

The horse won't break down, the horse will run flat, or just not to the edge.

Do you realise before the Cesareswitch, every horse canters / trots 2m 2f to the start, in fcat every race at Newmarket you canter full distance to the start.

I've seen horses at Newmarket pulling hard going very fats to post at Newmarket, which would be blowing when they get to the start and to an effect, have already run a race !

It's nothing cruel to suggest a horse gallops in a morning.

When I started race riding they races afternoon and night at Wolverhampton on a Saturday and there was many a horse who ran at both the afternoon and evening meeting.

The horse will just not run to 100% , not a welfare issue.

No different to if you went for a work out in the morning, you could still physically have a work out in the afternoon but you will probably feel a little fatigued later on in the workout.

When I started race riding they races afternoon and night at Wolverhampton on a Saturday and there was many a horse who ran at both the afternoon and evening meeting.


new one on me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2-x_zsMwJ4

Thanks Dom...am watching it now....an interesting start with Jimmy Fitzgerald and Gay Kellaway....btw, I agree that the owner/s are unlikely to know about it.

Aint having it Dom

And if you did do you was helping cheat punters.

Go get a j c b dom this hole is getting big

Been to many of those split meets at wolves but cant recall any hoss running twice in a day there.

neither can i

Amington Girl is a horse of David Evans that ran twice at Wolverhampton at the split meeting.

he done it with others, so did many other small trainers in the early to mid 90s when it used to be 1.30 - 3.30 the afternoon meeting and 6.00 - 8.30 the evening meeting.

Did nt Chaplins Club run twice in a day once when he was after the record wins in a season?

Thats the nearest i can recall and not sure even thats correct....that must be 25 plus years ago

dom, you mentioned that in some race the vet examined the horse as he had heard that it had been galloped in the morning. if there is no rule against that, then why would the vet have examined the horse?

Keep following your instincts Andrew, you are the best poster on here by a mile. Domino, am sure if the majority of us were coping with a serious family illness, we wouldn't be spending hours on here making inflammatory comments on numerous posts. You quickly abandoned your own ill-advised tipping thread only to highjack multiple threads including this one. Give it a rest.

dom i doubt very much that many trainers did, you have mentioned on of what you said is many, will be the first on to say i was wrong but if there was more than 2 or 3 i would be astounded

Posted on wrong thread, will re-post on Andrew's thread

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dom, you mentioned that in some race the vet examined the horse as he had heard that it had been galloped in the morning. if there is no rule against that, then why would the vet have examined the horse?


If any person reports a possible welfare issue regarding a horse running, the on course vet has to check it over and pass it fit to race, should they not and something happen to it, the anti's would have a field day.

I remember someone buying a horse cheap off Paul Howling and it was due to run a month later, he actually sold the horse cheap as he thought it had a tendon injury. He rang the BHA telling them his concerns, they checked the horse and it was sound, the horse nearly won as well, Paul was mega annoyed as he sold the horse for peanuts on the advice of his vet who told him it had a tendon injury.

However Howling clearly saw nothing wrong with the fact he was trying to sell a horse he believed had a tendon injury !

ok, as to some others on here, this is all news to me,and isnt exactly an advert for bringing people into the game

I never said it was Charlton, but you are naive to not think it goes on sadly.

back to the topic of this thread. is paul really just a money tree wannabe? laying his backs and vice versa. 1 in 19 is not feasible even for the worst punters. random selection will do a lot better (odds adjusted). to get 1 in 19 is like getting 1 in 19 on a multiple choice IQ test. you actually have to know the answers to get that many wrong...

dom, aren't your 20:37 & 21:02 posts a contradiction, ref: horse welfare?

Andrew in Sweden    23 Aug 18 06:07 

A word of warning for anyone of slightly unbalanced sanity that reads Pauls post and backs it with hard earned.

I'm not having a pop at Paul personally, but his overall success record is quite poor, although i do remember he tipped up a 10/1 winner a few years back. If the tip wins, he hangs around for the plaudits, if not, he disappears for a while without making a comment.

A long while ago in the days of ticktack Grey Desire (5/4f) bolted on the way down and ran the entire 6f at Haydock. He was not withdrawn instead ran, and finished 2nd to the chagrin of fav backers.

I do not think this will be allowed should it happen now.

It's another unquantifiable issue but an interesting coversation all the same.

i am sticking with my theory until it is proven otherwise. paul is a genius of the money tree school

righto...an answer please.

did dombo pay for isiris?

gonna have to invoke heisenberg here willie. we cannot answer that question, even in theory.

paul the b, 1 in 19. thats as good as 18 in 19 in my view

winners/lossers charlie..pro rata

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@Hlk23

In low grade handicappers, at least half the field wont be trying, 2/3 will be trying but aren't very good and the one or two that are, will normally fight out the finish. The blind punter has no chance.

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