day before a big festival

sparrow

Why does everyone want to bet so many hours before the off?

on a more interesting point sparrow i know you like the flat have you enjoyed this season i realise we have the big autumn meetings to come but so far ?

foxy, I posted the full story earlier today on here. I have posted again below.


BetVictor have introduced a lay-to-lose guarantee on every race in Britain and Ireland after discussions with the Horseracing Bettors Forum.

In an initiative launched on Monday which is the first of its kind from a major firm covering online betting, BetVictor customers will have the chance to win up to £500 by selecting a Guaranteed Bet option.

The offer applies to win and the win part of each-way single bets placed from 11am on the day of the race and is available for any grade of race.

Coral and Ladbrokes have pledges in place to lay bets to a minimum amount on every race every day, but these are available only to betting shop customers.

BetVictor's offer followed discussions with the HBF, which has been trying to address complaints about the imposition of betting restrictions and the closure of winning accounts. Bet Victor indicated in a later tweet they could review their policy towards punters they had excluded.


"Customers who have been previously excluded from Sportsbook as a trading decision should email help@betvictor.com with the details. These accounts will be considered for wagering on this market only," it said.

Matt Bisogno: "HBF believes the Guaranteed Bet provision represents a forward-thinking approach"

BetVictor director of sportsbook Matt Scarrott said: "We entered dialogue with the Horseracing Bettors Forum earlier this year and this project is something we've been keen to implement for a while. We believe our guarantee to include each-way bets and all race classes makes it a leading industry initiative.
"Once we have trialled Guaranteed Bet for a short time, our plan is to review it with the intention of increasing limits and extending the timescales going forward."

HBF chairman Matt Bisogno said: "HBF welcomes the news that BetVictor have introduced a Guaranteed Bet provision. For the first time with a major operator, punters will be able to back any horse to win a minimum of £500, regardless of the class of race.

"Having discussed a number of issues with the team at BetVictor earlier in the year, HBF was heartened by their commitment to a fairer betting environment.

"Of course, actions speak louder than words, and today's announcement is an extremely positive step forward for British and Irish racing bettors, as well as a palpable demonstration of BetVictor's commitment.

"HBF believes the Guaranteed Bet provision represents a forward-thinking approach, and we further hope it encourages other operators to enhance their offering to horseracing bettors."

" BetVictor have introduced a lay-to-lose guarantee on every race in Britain and Ireland after discussions with the Horseracing Bettors Forum"
Is that not what most  racecourse Bookies used to have on their boards ? I used to laugh when I saw it on Freddie Williams board.

re so many hours before i felt they were offering a very fair price but would be happy if no markets were put up before say 10 am other than proper anti post.

I have enjoyed this season foxy although it would have been better if Roaring Lion had stayed the Derby trip.

Early markets have ruined the game with punters marking the bookies cards at 9 in the morning.

that seems fair from vc but will they still lay restricted punters or just close there accounts.

oldgit

the displays you refer to were changed to optional for security reasons as a few books were attacked on the way home from racing.

including fw of course.

Can't bet on here at the moment. Site knackered again.

Thought this was another Thread about the BETFAIR Site having CRASHED.

We anticipated something onlooker

i thought the craven meeting was very good sparrow and with enable and cracksman to look forward to i thought it may be a very good season,royal ascot held up but i thought the july meeting and goodwood were poor ,roaring lion did seem not quite to stay at epsom i think the eclipse supported that opinion,other than the coventry winner and possibly king of comedy the 2yo dont look anything special however we still have time for that to change.hopefully york and as we speak it does look like been a great first 3 days can help turn the season around.

A good card tomorrow foxy although I detest York most of the time. Been a little different this year with Ballydoyle under a cloud.

whilst i dont look forward to it as much as i use to,its still a great fixture and will enjoy the 3 days i go,both the judmonte and great voltiguer look deep races,i have long found the handicaps on the round course near on impossible.

Those handicaps are the main reason for my dislike of York. People who bet in those races have no chance in the long run.

racing post showing g/firm for tomorrow, any rain about. ??  cheers.

after race 4 tomorrow sparrow it will be time for some refreshments for me.

glasgow

going stick 7.2 good to firm good in places,very little rain since friday and very little if any  during race week until saturday.

Dods seems to like the hcps at this meet.

thanks foxy.

your welcome glasgow.

in fairness stridingedge the northern trainers hold there own in the handicaps at both the dante meeting and the judmonte meeting.

Yeah you expect the usual suspects, his runners have definitely represented a bit of value at this meeting though.

having knocked the handicaps over the round course there is one running of 91 tomorrow that when racing of 77 beat stradivarious.

at chester

thats the one

i think its fair to say one has improved much more than the other.

foxy, I went to Beverley a few weeks since and it was a decent crowd for a midweek fixture.

yes they do get good crowds its not somewhere i go very often but i see they are reinvesting 4 million on a new stand.now thats a place its hard to find winners i dont even attempt to anymore.

have you been to bangor on dee on your travels sparrow ?

No I haven't foxy as it would be difficult for me to get to on public transport. If I go racing on my own I usually look for a 2 day meeting such as Perth which I visited for the first time in 2016.

train to wrexham then bus its lovely on a nice day.however like perth its not a great viewing track

I would have plan a few days holiday around it. To say I'm not much of a jumps fan these days I seem to have attended a great deal of NH courses. I even recall my father taking me to a point to point at Tweseldown in the mid 1950s!

the best jumps course to go to is kelso but that is very hard to get to but really is worth the trip berwick was the nearest station around 20 miles away ,however gordon who posts on here told me there is a new line which is now closer only opened a couple of years ago.

Kelso would not really appeal to me unless I could fit in another scottish meeting the next day or before.

well i have to admit the horses will be a bit slower at kelso to those we will see at york this week enjoy the racing sparrow and hopefully will you find a winner or two.

Same for you foxy, be lucky.

hopefully no winning favs tomorrow

laid cross counter watan and front 3 in the feature all e/w
backed old persian hochfeld ginger nut greatestshowman and gabrial the wire all e/w

gl everyone

i wonder if any of the historians on here could tell us when we last had a race containing 4 individual winners of the 2,000 guineas,eclipse,st james palace and the king george in the same race ,over to onlooker and ged.

booooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo...

Hope you managed to get more than 94 pence ew on charlton

couple of tons on here at 17 + places

favs beaten at

5/2
6/4
6/4

keep it up

hochfeld place money landed

5/5 beaten favs

foxy    21 Aug 18 20:37 
having knocked the handicaps over the round course there is one running of 91 tomorrow that when racing of 77 beat stradivarious.

did you lay each of the 5 bsp favs charlton?

which horse did you lay in the first race??

Aug 22, 2018 -- 4:21PM, Charlton2005 wrote:

hochfeld place money landed5/5 beaten favs

hochfield place money would barely cover the win bet of the ew that lost??

the hochfield place money would barely cover the losing win part of the ew bet??

nox, put my bets up at 2331 yesterday. see below. hochfeld place averaged 3.63

Aug 21, 2018 -- 11:31PM, Charlton2005 wrote:

hopefully no winning favs tomorrowlaid cross counter watan and front 3 in the feature all e/wbacked old persian hochfeld ginger nut greatestshowman and gabrial the wire all e/wgl everyone

cross counter and wanton placed?? you layed them ew you say??
and which race was the feature?

WD Foxy, flagging up the 4.15 winner in this thread - cheers

Aug 22, 2018 -- 4:34PM, Charlton2005 wrote:

nox, put my bets up at 2331 yesterday. see below. hochfeld place averaged 3.63

you did it ew on the exchange yeah??
all the favs have placed today you do know that??

yeah but as you are quick to point out those losses dont cover the win on the e/w lay

so whats the booom about then?
do you lay to level stakes?

which race was the feature? youre kidding?

tell me why dont you??

the big boom earlier was 200 on old persian e/w at 17 and 3.6

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tell me why dont you??

ok, i have had enough

exactly.
you are a bluffer
you won nowt laying horses today.
the feature race was the juddmonte where the fav was 2nd and the 2nd fav was first and you layed both...

Aug 21, 2018 -- 11:31PM, Charlton2005 wrote:

hopefully no winning favs tomorrowlaid cross counter watan and front 3 in the feature all e/wbacked old persian hochfeld ginger nut greatestshowman and gabrial the wire all e/wgl everyone

ah i see the forum clown is in one of his beligerent moods again, bollox done methinks.

  well done on old persian charlton.

your posts are as irrelevant as you glasgow, you are as original as bullshit
you couldnt decipher fook all you fool.
dont stop believing..
methinks translates as you know fook all, as per usual

charlton won nowt today laying favs as per his post he layed EW.
i know its difficult for you to understand being as dumb as you are but so be it. you were able to read he backed old persian so im sure you read about his ew lays too or did you just gloss over that as it was too hard for you to understand. and you call me a clown

FEISTY. !!   

typical response from a fool who cant offer any constructive counter point

did you lay that fav charlton???
wipe out

boom ginger nut 11 reduced to 9 ish

thanks for watching

:)

cheers glasgow

nox going mental

ah i see you lay favs when they lose and back them when they win.
yes im going mental...
just what the forum needs, another absolute bluffer. WD

NOXIOUS  i hope you backed all the favs ew, makes no difference to me, its just the way you speak... full of vitriol

  and bitterness , charlton said he had backed old persian and even if he did lay all the favs ew surely that win

  would more than have covered his losses.

cant argue with stupid

   typical response from a fool who cant offer any constructive counter point

backed ginger nut at 11 last night when it was about 4th/5th in the betting.

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hopefully no winning favs tomorrow

laid cross counter watan and front 3 in the feature all e/w
backed old persian hochfeld ginger nut greatestshowman and gabrial the wire all e/w

gl everyone

great start to the meeting, let's have a look for tomorrow!

kempton

littlehampton.

laid angels hideaway fairyland sea of class all e/w
backed sharjah bridge concierge both e/w

gl all

Knox just texted and sayed

gl

cheers 

In what had become a decent thread has now been ruined.

not a great day, but did duck  the last fav

this last fav is too short to back but i think it will go close so a small e/w on florenza for interest

gl all

most threads end up this way sparrow perhaps there should be two separate forums.

on a racing note i hope you got your derby money back on roaring lion he looks really good over 10 furlongs ,two very good fillies yesterday all of a sudden the flat season has come to life.

laid stradavarius and baattaasshh both e/w
backed legends of war mystic flight and aquariam all e/w
backed blue point

gl everyone

aquarium being backed like defeat is out of the question

happy with 65s

I'm afraid I didn't go with Roaring Lion foxy but made amends yesterday with a decent place bet on Eziyra in the Yorkshire Oaks. Mind you the winner looks a proper horse and I hope they give her a crack at the Arc.

added e/w lay of shine so bright

added win bet on space traveller

place money legends of war landed and win money back ir

place money landed mystic flight

Yes sparrow sea of class very impressive clearly a very good filly and already proven at group one level however I think lah ti dah could be the real star we saw this week less than a second slower than sea of class with 4lb more on her back and running almost the entire straight by herself,that’s twice now I have seen her and both times I was incredibly impressed ,in recent years both ouija board and taghrooda won the pretty polly at the Guineas meeting and went on to run very well in Paris admittedly they had both had group one experience before the arc,I see the plan looks like Doncaster which is great as I love the st leger there are 22 days between the st leger and the arc that’s tight I realise but gosden is a brave trainer and with doubts over cracksman and enable who knows she may go for both . Her 6 length win at Newbury was on good to soft so autumn ground shouldn’t be a problem whereas sea of class has won her 4 races on quick ground how on earth did she get beat at the craven meeting ? Hopefully both will be seen again in the coming weeks.

morning foxy.where did you get to Wednesday night?

good morning ribero i went to a italian called la bella vita in garforth i thought it was as good an italian as i have ever been to ,the pub you asked about near the hotel is now a miller carter steak house,by the way it was thursday night.

Lah Ti Dah was certainly impressive foxy but not as yet proven at Group level. I remember backing her dam Doh Ra Mi to win her maiden under Jimmy Fortune and Gosden definitely has an embarrassment of riches at his disposal this season.

he deserves all those good horses sparrow always enjoy his interviews.

whilst lah ti dah does need to prove herself at a higher level she has so far been brilliant i like the pretty polly as a race over the years, even prior to ouija board and taghrooda the likes of dunfermlin and indian skimmer had won the race before going on to much better things.

Dunfermline and Willie Carson brings back fond memories foxy. I'm not a fan of Gosden's interviews after the defeat of Rainbow View in the 1000 guineas some years ago. Rainbow View was odds on that day and I actually laid it myself and so I was interested in what he had to say afterwards. He blamed the ground and said Jimmy Fortune described it like a road which was very interesting as he had a horse running later described as "would only run if suitable ground" and the horse in question had only form on soft ground including a 6 length win. Yet the horse not only ran but actually won!

threading backed e/w gl all

scotland backed e/w

gl all