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a big, strong 2yo
the others will catch up, MJ will milk the 2yo races for the rest of the season and then it'll do nothing at 3
the others will catch up, MJ will milk the 2yo races for the rest of the season and then it'll do nothing at 3
Sorry to go against the grain but I thought that was a quite a strong race
He looked impressive from where he had to come from but there was probably a bit of them falling back into his lap going on there tbh.
Big-Race Reports VINTAGE STAKES
Johnston has Vision but now he must decide whether to keep or sell
By Lee Mottershead
UPDATED 3:53PM, JUL 31 2018
If you are going to have a problem, have a nice one.
The lucky 19 people who own Dark Vision now have such a problem. Their trainer, Mark Johnston, will be the one who must decide how to solve it.
In Dark Vision, the striking last-to-first winner of the Qatar Vintage Stakes, the Kingsley Park 10 partnership is now in possession of a most valuable commodity, a colt quoted at just 20-1 for the Qipco 2,000 Guineas.
Each member of the syndicate paid a total of £7,000 to cover the purchase price and juvenile season training fees of three horses, described as at one point "left on the shelf, unsold" by Johnston.
One of the three, Victory Command, landed an Ascot Listed race on Saturday, but the best appears to be Dark Vision, a 15,000gns yearling who could now be worth a seven-figure sum to a big owner with big pockets.
To keep or to sell. Johnston must decide.
"It's very difficult," said Johnston.
"A problem with inexperienced owners is sometimes that they get carried away with the dream. You have to be sensible.
"They've now gone from gambling £7,000 to gambling hundreds of thousands of pounds – and it is a gamble.
We had a real good horse last year who attracted a £750,000 offer after one run. He was beaten next time and that was hundreds of thousands lost.
"A couple of years ago, when I first started doing these Kingsley Park partnerships, we had a big offer for a filly. At that stage the rules said there had to be a unanimous decision. Getting a unanimous decision from 19 people is impossible – so I changed the rules and now it's my decision."
The Kingsleys can take heart from the fact Johnston has yet to let them down. Two of his three previous Vintage winners, Mister Baileys and Shamardal, went on to Classic glory. The manner in which Dark Vision mowed down Dunkerron and Confiding under Silvestre de Sousa suggests he deserves to be at least talked of as a long-range Classic contender.
"When he missed the break here I thought it was all over," said Johnston. "At this stage if he had come fourth I would have thought I had a really nice horse on my hands. The biggest problem I'll have now will be keeping everyone's feet on the ground."
That's another nice problem to have.
Johnston has Vision but now he must decide whether to keep or sell
By Lee Mottershead
UPDATED 3:53PM, JUL 31 2018
If you are going to have a problem, have a nice one.
The lucky 19 people who own Dark Vision now have such a problem. Their trainer, Mark Johnston, will be the one who must decide how to solve it.
In Dark Vision, the striking last-to-first winner of the Qatar Vintage Stakes, the Kingsley Park 10 partnership is now in possession of a most valuable commodity, a colt quoted at just 20-1 for the Qipco 2,000 Guineas.
Each member of the syndicate paid a total of £7,000 to cover the purchase price and juvenile season training fees of three horses, described as at one point "left on the shelf, unsold" by Johnston.
One of the three, Victory Command, landed an Ascot Listed race on Saturday, but the best appears to be Dark Vision, a 15,000gns yearling who could now be worth a seven-figure sum to a big owner with big pockets.
To keep or to sell. Johnston must decide.
"It's very difficult," said Johnston.
"A problem with inexperienced owners is sometimes that they get carried away with the dream. You have to be sensible.
"They've now gone from gambling £7,000 to gambling hundreds of thousands of pounds – and it is a gamble.
We had a real good horse last year who attracted a £750,000 offer after one run. He was beaten next time and that was hundreds of thousands lost.
"A couple of years ago, when I first started doing these Kingsley Park partnerships, we had a big offer for a filly. At that stage the rules said there had to be a unanimous decision. Getting a unanimous decision from 19 people is impossible – so I changed the rules and now it's my decision."
The Kingsleys can take heart from the fact Johnston has yet to let them down. Two of his three previous Vintage winners, Mister Baileys and Shamardal, went on to Classic glory. The manner in which Dark Vision mowed down Dunkerron and Confiding under Silvestre de Sousa suggests he deserves to be at least talked of as a long-range Classic contender.
"When he missed the break here I thought it was all over," said Johnston. "At this stage if he had come fourth I would have thought I had a really nice horse on my hands. The biggest problem I'll have now will be keeping everyone's feet on the ground."
That's another nice problem to have.
That will be sold..
100%
Its a pickle i can only imagine what it would be like to sell 'one of your children'
But if you wanna stay in this game and keep the show on the road you gotta sell.
You'd imagine 2million or around that would be the figure if sold.
Quite a % on investment.,
Theyll 99% not get another horse like this but... if they wanna be still in the game 5 years down the line you sell.
100%
Its a pickle i can only imagine what it would be like to sell 'one of your children'
But if you wanna stay in this game and keep the show on the road you gotta sell.
You'd imagine 2million or around that would be the figure if sold.
Quite a % on investment.,
Theyll 99% not get another horse like this but... if they wanna be still in the game 5 years down the line you sell.
Johnston did a good job talking up his potential, and Godolphin had taken the bait. Very well done connections!
Strange buy by Godolphin, yes he's unbeaten but he has beaten nothing and he won a poor group 2 at Goodwood. Van Beethoven was walking the final 200 metres and was still only beaten 5L, that says a lot.
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