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GREY HORSE APPRECIATION THREAD
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mm - the other grey was Flying Wild, and Salmon got it earlier (Well done SS!!). I think that FW was the only horse to beat Arkle TWICE.
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Sorry Salmon, I would have lauded you earlier but been watering me 'erbs.
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There;'s no answer to that.
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remember 1 grey I laid at big odds for the champion hurdle as the guy on crimewatch used to say don't have nightmares but I still do.
kribensis. Ronnie. |
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Paris House should've been mentioned before now apologies if I've missed him.
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The Tetrarch.
I suspect if not all,then the large majority of the horses in this thread have him as their grey gene carrier. |
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Can't beat some grey
 just because they don't match the dominant colour, many morons call them all sorts of names  |
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Around a similar time to the wonderful RAFFINGORA -
- was Bill Marshall's other multiple winning Grey - MY SWANEE ------ Also in the 70s was the admirable Grey Stayer - KNOCKROE |
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Grey Desire , a sprinter from the 80's . 2 decent chasers I recall ; The Grey Monk and The Listener .
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Owen's Sedge.
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Grey buck
Grey sombrero Abacus grey Titus oats |
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Titus Oates wasn't a grey
Hth. |
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Strawberrydaiquiri
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Aljabr wasn't bad in his short career won Group 1's at 2,3 and 4.
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Cheers salmon. Flying Wild.
The Tetrarch was some machine by all accounts. His nickname was The Spotted Wonder. Trained by Atty Persse I think. Surprised no one has mentioned The Grey Bomber. I had him at huge odds for the Triumph. Sad ending caused by a freak accident. |
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Was Burns a grey? Jonjo used to ride it Flat and Jumps.
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blackbarn - Rainlough also beat Arkle twice (and was the only other horse to do so). But it was in handicap hurdles, and Arkle was only 5yo (though Rainlough was giving Arkle the best part of 2 stone, although 10yo Fortria was trying to give Rainlough 11 lb in one of those races). Rainlough won the Irish Champion Hurdle that year (1962).
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I'v checked quite a number of horses on this thread and they are all descendants of The Tetrarch with one exception which funnily enough is Desert Orchid. There may be others as I haven't ( and won't ) check all of them. Roselier is descended from him which accounts for quite a few of the jumpers. What I didn't do was make sure the grey gene came from him. It would be possible of course for the horse to have The Tetrarch as an ancestor but get its greyness from somewhere else.
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Dom Alco, the sire of Neptune Collognes, seems to get his share of greys, which perhaps is not surprising given he was grey himself!
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Dom Alco is another one who DOESN'T trace back to The Tetrarch.
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Copied from elsewhere!
There was once another grey, Knockroe. As a three-year-old, in 1971, Knockroe was galloped over six furlongs, at level weights, with the year-older Apollo Nine, who won that season's Stewards' Cup carrying 9st 5lb. Knockroe beat Apollo Nine out of sight. Not bad for a stayer. When he wanted to, Knockroe, who won four Group races in 1972, could do pretty much anything, but he didn't always want to. In the mood, Knockroe would come nerve-rackingly late and wide, scything down his opponents with a fine turn of foot. When Mahmoud's record over the Derby course, set in 1936, was finally broken, in 1973, it was Knockroe who broke it, on the bridle, easing down. Trainer Peter Nelson remembered the vet coming up to him afterwards and saying: "I'm sorry, Major Nelson, but I'm going to have to check your horse again." The vet couldn't believe that Knockroe's heartbeat could be so slow. "I knew the reason," Nelson told me, "Knockroe hadn't really exerted himself." |
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It is believed that every grey thoroughbred can have its lineage traced back to one source – the grey eminence, so to speak. This great ancestor is Alcock's Arabian, probably born in Britain in the first years of the 18th century and also known as Pelham Grey Arabian or Bloody Buttocks. His influence was spread largely through the exploits of his son Crab, three times champion sire, and thence sideways through the pedigrees of greys up to the present day.
The influence of the outstanding The Tetrarch proved crucial for grey horses at a time when their numbers were dwindling. Known as The Spotted Wonder for his dramatically dappled coat and restricted to just seven unbeaten outings at two, The Tetrarch sired only 130 foals but he figures in the pedigrees of very many champions via his daughter Mumtaz Mahal's grandsons Nasrullah and Mahmoud, whose granddaughter Natalma produced the prepotent overlord of bloodstock Northern Dancer. Only four greys have won the Derby, and none since Airborne in 1946. Just three greys have won the Grand National, the most recent being Neptune Collonges in 2012. Conversely, eight greys have won the Kentucky Derby and all since 1954, with the most notable being great champion Spectacular Bid in 1979 and filly Winning Colors nine years later. |
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I assumed most of the famous greys would have come from Mumtaz Mahal. Some do but a number come from a son of his called Tetratema (or something close to that ).
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Son of The Tetrarch that is.
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I hadn't thought of Tetratema for years - from memory (well memory of what I read), I think he was a great sire of broodmares. It is not surprising that Tetra had a big impact almost akin to Mumtaz Mahal, given she was a mare, which of course makes it equally remarkable that she had such an impact.
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There could easily be a lot more greys than there are. Native Dancer rather than Northern Dancer is arguably the most influential stallion of the latter half of the C20 as he is not only Northern Dancer's maternal grandsire but also the progenitor,through the male line,of the Mr Prospector line,which in the US is probably now more important than the Northern Dancer lot. Native Dancer was a grey,which he got through his female line from Roi Herode,The Tetrarch's sire. Not many of his better progeny happened to be grey however.
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When Native Dancer is mentioned, I immediately think of his son Dancers Image who was disqualified in Kentucky Derby. He was a grey. Only other one which I can think of is Shenanigans the dam of the famous Ruffian. Native Dancer was also the great grand dad of National winner West Tip who was by his son Gala Performance.
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Sea Bird's sire Dan Cupid was either a son or grandson of his in the male line. That line carried on for some decades but I think may now be gone.
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Dan Cupid was also son of Native Dancer.
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Who owned Dan Cupid salmon? Can you remember?
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Choctaw - shocking omission !
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Re Dan Cupid - Ternynck got breeders bonuses totalling £230k for Sea Birds five wins in 1965 which suggests he owned Dan Cupid, or the dam. The former seems more likely as Sea Bird's dam Sicalade was eventually sold for the equiv of £100 to a provincial butcher and destroyed.
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That is rather sad blackbarn. Did she produce any other decent offspring?
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No. Sea Bird was her second foal. Her first foal Statu Quo who never ran. Her foal after SB was Syncom whose record I do not have. They were her only three foals and had health issues with each birth (Circulation) which led to her demiseucse had llanever ranqUO
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apologies for putting up a horse so inferior to all the above but Aislabie gave me great memories and the wee grey soldier will always have a place in my heart
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which led to her demise. Ignore the serbo-croat at the end
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Sea Bird was a machine. Some say the best ever.
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I remember Aislabie dealer, gutsy horse. Any more info on him?
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did a tendon at market rasen on last run.had nearly a year off. was brought back gently into training and all looked well but scan showed the injury was still there. back in a field for another year. if that doesnt work he will be found a good home. as far as i know he is still at Marks.
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Thanks Dealer, I was wondering where he had went. I hope they can find him a good home.
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