Dee Ex Bee - Each-Way Bet To Nothing Or A Complete Blow Out

Save your money for another day

coming from this stable it isn't that difficult to envisage 'clever' bets ending up in the satchels.



The end.

I have backed him at 4/1 with baddies, can't see him out of the first 3 either,

coming from this stable it isn't that difficult to envisage 'clever' bets ending up in the satchels.

I find that a remarkable statement and unworthy of further comment...

'They' will have a plan

Oh yeah, I can just THEM now, hey lads lets forget about this 900,000e race and go for a gamble at Goodwood...

Not suggesting for one moment that he is going be throwing the race. My original comment referred to the inconsistency of the yard. I find the inconsistency of the yard remarkable, so remarkable that punters will deliberately shun races he has anything to do with. 

The two horses which would have taken most punters money this season would have been Elarqaam and Natalies Joy. The stable talked up both beforehand and they both bombed.

Differentdrum, I was at the Curragh and backed Elarqaam on the same basis as tomorrows lad, it looked the part on the day,still no light has been shed on that performance , but I'm not letting that put me off...

I just think at best you will cover your money,would actually fancy old Persian to beat it let alone saxon who I feel sure will leave the Epsom form behind.

We all know he will be trying for his life,so have it on if you feel strongly that it is a bet to nothing but not for me.

Just take the 66% free money about Saxon, and don't worry about Ew's :)

let's just have a look at mark johnston's record at the curragh

11 runners
0 winners
only 1 place

dee ex bee might be one of his better horses and i reckon he fancied it every time he's had a runner over here but come on that's shabby stats. you don't beat the irish in ireland

Dee Ex Bee, well I just like the way this horse sticks his head out in a finish a real tryer.
Saxon Warrior the obvoius one. BUT I must admit I do like these Camelot Progeny. Would not discount Latrobe EW or any other Aidan runners tbh.

side note: Mark Johnstons team ALWAYS has a plan. However... The problem is nobody really knows what the plan will be if any!!

Saxon warrior could end up being a bookies favourite.Beaten odds on at epsom and for some reason odds on again.Could well be a miler or 1m2 horse.Guess we find out today.

I got that race Spot on

first run on the surface and its only 2 wins from 8 starts been on slow dead ground

HTF could it possibly struggle on the quickest ground ever faced today

Times suggest the ground was well watered today....

you don't beat the irish in ireland

Mark should stick to places like Catterick and Chester , he ain't got a breeze about Ireland ,shocking run.

Stewards report re the Irish Derby:
Dee Ex Bee lost a shoe

Doubt it made any difference tbh Rydal..

...probably not.

Impossible to fathom. Wouldn't bet or lay his runners. I just avoid.

Stable difficult but I don't think that was anything of a factor here. This horse will never show his best on top of the ground. I said that on here before the Acomb last year.

Then why declare him Howard, he knew Ireland was in the grip of a heatwave,very unlikely that the ground was going to have any juice in it. Very poor detail wise from Mark imo...

Because classics are classics. There'll be another 10 furlong class 2 handicap tomorrow, and the day after, and the day after that. There won't be another Irish Derby this year.

And because racehorses have to race when not everything is in their favour. Look how uptight people get when a badly-drawn horse is a non-runner. If we insist everything must be ideal, there will be a lot more matches and walkovers.

Agreed Fozzy, not great if you're a punter trusting in Marks wisdom.

Ramruma , i also see your point, but surely foresight must play a major part in a trainers view of were and on what ground his horses run. In this instance Mark failed miserably again, sure you have to allow a certain amount of weather uncertainly but on this occasion he was totally aware of the circumstances and surely the welfare of the horse must come first. Not having everything in your favour is one thing, but running a horse when its possible it might either get injured because of the ground, or running it knowing it will not act on it, as in this case, seems to me show a lack of consideration for the horses welfare,and if we are honest that's surely not something you could accuse Mark of. Bad decision all round lets leave it at that.

Oxo doesn't believe in pigeon holing his horses to certain requirements. That's his MO.

Don't think enough has been made of De Sousa's ride. He seems to be a hero on here but essentially that doesn't very often go beyond low grade races. When you get a decent chance and that happens is it any wonder he is starved of opportunities at top level. Much was made of his Coronation Cup ride but in reality he threw that race away. 

The last thing you wanted from Dee Ex Bee's perspective was a mile and a quarter gallop. That was surely the easiest thing for anyone to understand. He has ended up being outridden by a Ballydoyle workrider. The first priority was to the get the horse in position and then if it didn't deliver then so be it. He didn't come close to achieving that.

He must have thought the ground was safe. Of course that's different from helping your horses chances. But Mark throws a lot of darts and it looked a race where he would hope a Derby 2nd could get in the money. DD , you're spot-on about De Souza he's a very good jockey but it's looking like some of his decisions in top races hold back being a great.