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not much theyre

Chickenfeed markets.

only 213k matched in total on the 6.30 naas (incl IR). And yet they bother with a 5 to place market, what's the point

Is just clutter.

Are you not getting your bets on?

i tried to lay sergio leone to place from odds on out to 4. Bets totalling £600. Got a fiver matched. So no.

Finished 7th so they all agreed with you on that one.

i don't try and lay things out of the back of the TV sparrow, honestly. First button i hit was 1.84 so it must have had ev chance.

I do think that the in running place market is pretty hopeless these days, fear. Pre-race is alright except for the removal of the 3 place markets for less than 8 rather than keeping 2 place markets.

I would equate betting in the pre race place markets as like trying to milk a dead cow so can't imagine how poor the liqudity is for the in running ones.

How much would you normally want to get on in the place markets, barton?

I would like to be able to get 2-3k on without moving the price. Sometmes 5k. Not going to happen.

the place market in-running from what i have seen in the last year or 2 , is shockingly bad .

are you guys that play in it just backing at 1.1 and below ?

When did you last get 2 or 3k or 5k on barton and not move the price.
Must have been about 15 years ago.

10 years probably. You asked me what I wanted, not what I expected.

I've not had a place bet in this Nottingham race but there has been only about 16k bet in the whole market, it is pitiful.

I asked you that as an ordinary punter barton. If you want 4 figure bets on then we all know the answer but I don't worry too much about the really big punters. Considering you can comfortably get 3 figure bets on in the place markets here then that is something no other bookmaker or exchange can offer.

setting the bar low there, sparrow. BF PR dept must love you.

Pre race 114k in total place markets at 2.30 Newcastle.

Where else can offer you that, fear? You are living in the past.

Betfair was invented so punters like barton could get on surely? What changed? Obviously insiders robbing people couldn't be tolerated but opinion based punters shd be able to get on.

2.30 had a 1.18 shot - hence the higher  figure, of course

I just chose the next race following barton's post about 16k. But it has proved my point about betfair's ridiculous decision to keep the 2 place market and remove 3 place markets in relevant races.

Sometimes you can't get three figure bets in the place markets without moving the price tbh. If you aren't backing or laying the fav.

But don't you think that total I posted illustrates the weakness of the markets, sparrow? I didn't handpick it either and some races are worse. It was just the race that was about to take place.

Why worry about moving the price if you get what you want on?

You don't get what you want on that's the point.
I place laid a horse the other day (which was a trier imo) and I started laying at 1.8 and finished at 2.6. And I didn't match a penny until under 3 minutes before the off. That's ridiculous and it just shows that the markets are falling apart.
Recently I tried to back a horse at 3-1, it was 6-4 by the time I got 500 quid and there had only been a few grand matched on the horse in total. Again this is in the space of above 2 minutes.
If you think that isn't a worrying trend fair enough.

About 2 minutes, not above. Though it probably was, just about.

Strangely enough I bet the 2nd in that race at Nottingham in the 2 place market but 4 weeks ago there would have been a 3 place market as well and I for one would have had a much larger bet. It was a classic example of betfair's stupidity referred to in my earlier post.

those markets are fine pre race but shouldnt go in running imo.

it's like being on B/D playing those

The above 3-1 to 6-4 example was actually in a win market by the way.

We all know that liquidity has fallen in recent years but those circumstances are beyond our control and the only hope is for people to embrace exchange betting. This of course will probably not happen as Betfair make far more profit from their bookmaking activity and so it isn't in their interest to encourage exchange betting. We have been through all this before and all the moaning in the world won't change it.

you must be in danger of losing the value. Plenty of times if you're not on at 3s you want to be a layer at 6/4

if a rival exchange does well bf will have to act, sparrow

A rival exchange is very unlikely to do well.

I gave up backing the horse when it got to 9-4, the Fear.

there were 3 and 4 figure amounts in boxes on MB last week


no surprise BB

Why would the ordinary punter suddenly move to another exchange now?
2% commission might appeal to the regular betfair exchange layer or backer but means little or nothing to others.

0% not 2% must appeal to big punters

I don't think they will and I think the best/only chance of improved liquidity is an influx of foreign money on to this exchange.

this must be a big hit for MB - imo they aren't doing it unless they think it might pay off. Agree about needing foreign influx of course