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Deltâ
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Summary of Council decision:

Two issues were investigated, both of which were Upheld.

Ad description
A national press ad, seen in the Racing Post on 12 October 2017, promoted a betting tipster service. Text stated, "… in the past 6 months or so that amounts to 55 bets, and the success rate for ISIRIS members has been phenomenal, with win bets and/or each-way bets producing a successful return on over 90% of these bets. That is: 50 out of 55 bets which have done what we asked since the start of Aintree back in April … And all our bets are proofed to the Racing Post before racing as evidence these claims are 100% genuine”.

Issue
Lord Lipsey, a member of the Starting Price Regulatory Commission, but acting in a personal capacity, challenged whether:

1. the claim “the success rate for ISIRIS members has been phenomenal, with win bets and/or each way-bets introducing a successful return on over 90% of these bets. That is 50 out of 55 bets” was misleading and could be substantiated; and

2. the claim "all our bets are proofed to the Racing Post before racing as evidence that these claims are 100% genuine" was misleading.

Response
Isiris Racing Services (Isiris) provided a list of bets on a spreadsheet, which they said showed the 55 bets stated in the ad, starting on 6 April 2017. The spreadsheet included details of stake, price, result and profit and loss figures, for bets across various sports. Isiris said the bets on the spreadsheet would match the proofing emails which would be provided by the Racing Post.

The Racing Post provided information relating to the audit of their proofing system.

Assessment
1. Upheld

The ASA considered consumers were likely to understand that 50 out of 55 bets had been successful over a period of approximately six months prior the ad appearing. The spreadsheet they provided included many more bets than 55, and a number of them appeared to include multiple bets within one line. It was therefore not clear which were the 55 referred to in the ad. A significant number appeared to show losses, and no combination of bets from 6 April appeared to show 50 wins out of 55 bets. In addition, we had not received the proofs of the bets.

We therefore concluded that the claim had not been substantiated and was misleading.

On that point, the ad breached CAP Code (Edition 12) rules   (Misleading advertising) and   (Substantiation).

2. Upheld

We considered that consumers were likely to understand from the ad that all of the bets on which Isiris offered tips were proofed in advance to the Racing Post. We expected to see evidence of the bets mentioned in the ad having been proofed following a robust system that had been approved and regularly monitored.

As above, however, we had not seen evidence that the bets had been proofed. We therefore concluded that the claim was misleading.

On that point, the ad breached CAP Code (Edition 12) rules   (Misleading advertising) and   (Substantiation).

Action
The ad must not appear again in its current form. We told Isiris Racing Services not to claim success rates for their bets, or that their bets were proofed to demonstrate their genuineness, unless they held adequate evidence to substantiate such claims.
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Report domino14 June 21, 2018 5:01 PM BST
Quite possibly Cardenden, I was an apprentice there in the late 90 to early 2000s.
Report Deltâ June 21, 2018 5:16 PM BST
are your initials any of the following


SD
KM
JS

?
Report mouse muldoon June 21, 2018 5:19 PM BST
JS 9/53 for Barrington 1998-2002
Report mouse muldoon June 21, 2018 5:21 PM BST
actually 19/152, 9/53 when claiming
Report domino14 June 21, 2018 5:24 PM BST
They might be Delta :/
Report Deltâ June 21, 2018 5:26 PM BST
tar
Report the dealer June 21, 2018 5:26 PM BST
cardenden is a town in fife, if that helps
Report domino14 June 21, 2018 5:27 PM BST
Looks like I said too much for the forum detectives !!
Report the dealer June 21, 2018 5:27 PM BST
although to be honest i cant remember anything good coming out of fife
Report domino14 June 21, 2018 5:30 PM BST
@Cardenden

Do you, or did you ride in flapping races when you retired by any chance on the borders at Langholm or Hawick ?
Report mouse muldoon June 21, 2018 5:30 PM BST
May Morning, the filly that finished 4th at Bath?
Report domino14 June 21, 2018 5:31 PM BST
@The Dealer

I would say Ian Rankin was something good to come out of Fife.
Report the dealer June 21, 2018 5:32 PM BST
will give you that one, as i wasnt aware that was where he was born
Report domino14 June 21, 2018 5:33 PM BST
@Mouse

No, I don't think Sheikh Maktoum would have ever told anyone if he bet ! ha. Kev May rode that I think.
Report mouse muldoon June 21, 2018 5:33 PM BST
Yes, Kev May. Good memory
Report domino14 June 21, 2018 5:34 PM BST
He took over from me as apprentice when I lost my claim.
Report roder2 June 21, 2018 5:37 PM BST
new a guy that was with them 1999/2003 done very well.
Report cardenden June 21, 2018 5:38 PM BST
WULLIE JOHNSTONE

TOMMY HUTCHINSON

IAN RANKIN

JONNY THOMPSON,   

to mention a few
Report cardenden June 21, 2018 5:38 PM BST
oh and of coarse me
Report the dealer June 21, 2018 5:39 PM BST
lol Grin
Report JML June 21, 2018 5:40 PM BST
Looks like I said too much for the forum detectives !!

Grin Grin

Far to much time on our hands between the football matches.

I thought I knew who you were when you fell out with King of Dubai

You've said in the past that you play most of your poker in the midlands
but now say that your local Ladbrokes is in Maidenhead.

I think the middle initials of your surname is NO
Report domino14 June 21, 2018 5:43 PM BST
@JML

Middle initials of my surname are most definitely not NO.

I play poker, under my married name, I'm a rare person who took my wife's name when I got married, because one of my kids was already born before we got married and had my wife's name on the birth certificate.

Maidenhead to the midlands is only an hour or so mate.
Report Deltâ June 21, 2018 5:49 PM BST
didnt you use to ride work with Kevin Bradshaw?
Report JML June 21, 2018 5:50 PM BST
And NO are not the middle initials of your married name?
Report mouse muldoon June 21, 2018 5:51 PM BST
Major Laugh?
Report mouse muldoon June 21, 2018 5:52 PM BST
Forget that, colt not a filly
Report domino14 June 21, 2018 5:54 PM BST
JML, No.

I can't even think of any names that would have NO as a middle initial of surname ha ha, that's puzzled me.

@Delta

Jesus Brads been at Stoutes since time began ! Can't be far off 40 years service ! He's been at Stoute's nearly as long as I've been alive.
Report mouse muldoon June 21, 2018 5:55 PM BST
pinNOchio
Report domino14 June 21, 2018 5:56 PM BST
I remember Major Laugh, pony of a thing.
Report cardenden June 21, 2018 5:58 PM BST

Jun 21, 2018 -- 5:55PM, mouse muldoon wrote:


pinNOchio


LaughLaughLaugh

Report cardenden June 21, 2018 5:59 PM BST
im almost certain i know who you are domino,,,
Report domino14 June 21, 2018 6:00 PM BST
@Mouse

Sent you PM.

That did make me laugh.

Card, you know Tyrone ? Hows he doing these days ? You heard anything from Andrew and Greg these days ?
Report domino14 June 21, 2018 6:00 PM BST
@card

It wouldn't need rocket science after this thread thats for sure !!!!
Report onlooker June 21, 2018 6:01 PM BST
Issue

Lord Lipsey, a member of the Starting Price Regulatory Commission, but acting in a personal capacity, challenged whether:

1. the claim “the success rate for ISIRIS members ....
-------------


Lord Dipsey - been subscribing to ISIRIS, then ? ....

- says a lot for the 'governance' Sad Grin  of the Starting Price Regulatory Commission  Cry
Report Deltâ June 21, 2018 6:02 PM BST
I thought that was a strange one too onlooker ...
Report DenzilPenberthy June 21, 2018 6:13 PM BST
Maybe all these characters in racing ARE completely cluless after all
Report onlooker June 21, 2018 6:34 PM BST
"after all" - Denzil?

Some of us have known that for DECADES.
Report Early Morning Riser June 21, 2018 7:33 PM BST
Domino14 wrote Card, you know Tyrone ? Hows he doing these days ?

Tyrone the lion Williams is doing ok.
Report rue-the- day June 21, 2018 7:39 PM BST
Know I will get shot down for this and no doubt be a big advert in the racing post in the coming days , results this week at ascot are a loser, 6-1  winner , 8-1 winner and Stradivarius ew winner maximum bet at 8-1 advised
Report the dealer June 21, 2018 7:41 PM BST
Laugh
Report mouse muldoon June 21, 2018 7:52 PM BST
Irrelevant unless they have been properly proofed.
Report DenzilPenberthy June 21, 2018 7:53 PM BST

Jun 21, 2018 -- 7:39PM, rue-the- day wrote:


Know I will get shot down for this and no doubt be a big advert in the racing post in the coming days , results this week at ascot are a loser, 6-1

Report mouse muldoon June 21, 2018 7:53 PM BST
Shoot!
Report DenzilPenberthy June 21, 2018 7:54 PM BST

Jun 21, 2018 -- 7:53PM, DenzilPenberthy wrote:


Jun 21, 2018 --  7:39PM, rue-the- day wrote:Know I will get shot down for this and no doubt be a big advert in the racing post in the coming days , results this week at ascot are a loser, 6-1


WTF happened there
Did they get their full advised stakes at advised prices with advised bookmakers?

Report mouse muldoon June 21, 2018 7:55 PM BST
Good question.
Report DenzilPenberthy June 21, 2018 7:56 PM BST
Even Hugh's followers think it's hard to get Isiris prices
Report mouse muldoon June 21, 2018 7:58 PM BST
Is Hugh a subscriber?
Report DenzilPenberthy June 21, 2018 8:00 PM BST
Hugh knows but the advertisements mean nothing when it's impossible to meet the claims in the first place.
Report mouse muldoon June 21, 2018 8:01 PM BST
Cool Ed put Stradivarius up for free on hear.
Report mouse muldoon June 21, 2018 8:02 PM BST
He went win only as well.
Report NOW WE KNOW June 21, 2018 8:02 PM BST
I have just signed up for a yearly subscription as I think they are due a good run.
Report DenzilPenberthy June 21, 2018 8:04 PM BST

Jun 21, 2018 -- 8:02PM, mouse muldoon wrote:


He went win only as well.


But he didn't have 8/1 I'm guessing

Report the dealer June 21, 2018 8:05 PM BST

Jun 21, 2018 -- 8:04PM, DenzilPenberthy wrote:


Jun 21, 2018 --  8:02PM, mouse muldoon wrote:He went win only as well.But he didn't have 8/1 I'm guessing


would many have got that ?

Report DenzilPenberthy June 21, 2018 8:08 PM BST
Exactly
Report rue-the- day June 21, 2018 8:11 PM BST
I got the 8-1 ok on this occasion as waS ante post took 2 days to be cut to 6-1
Report DenzilPenberthy June 21, 2018 8:12 PM BST
rue your account will be in mortal danger now.
Who gets any of these tipsters' prices and has an account of which to speak of?
Report the dealer June 21, 2018 8:13 PM BST
i agree DP as soon as the books see accounts going for the same bets at the same time,their accounts would be marked
Report lord skywalker June 22, 2018 10:33 AM BST
"a fool and his money are easily parted" as the saying goes, why bet on here if you cant make decisions yourself, only fools pay for tipsters advise, most of it is bogus anyway
Report lord skywalker June 22, 2018 10:42 AM BST
doesnt henry rix run ISIRIS , hes had many adverts in RP over the years and sporting life when it was in print, im beginning to beleive that domino is a fraud and punts £2 nags, why on why would you pay a tipster if you have knowledge, it doesnt make sense, ive yet to see a tipster that can back up their claims, if you cant back with your own knowledge then frankly i wouldnt bother
Report lord skywalker June 22, 2018 10:45 AM BST
domino if youre hard up, ill give you two winners today, 255 redcar , no.1 - 5/2 & no.1 - 810 ayr 9/4
Report domino14 June 22, 2018 10:48 AM BST
In all due respect Lord, I'm far from hard up and thanks for your concerns but worry about your own life, Ta.

As for betting a horse ridden by Graham Lee when favourite, good luck on that one ........
Report lord skywalker June 22, 2018 10:51 AM BST
there you go again, im not the fool that paid ISIRIS for tips and then claims to have contacts within racing stables
Report domino14 June 22, 2018 10:53 AM BST
No you're the fool gobbing off and being patronising thinking he is funny. Also belittling someone for paying for services. If I can afford to pay £900 here and there for info, I am far from hard up.

So kindly keep your opinions to yourself.

I don't tell you what to spend your money on, so I don't need you to do the same to me, Thanks.
Report onlooker June 22, 2018 12:53 PM BST
^ domino14 -  You make a spurious defence.

As ever, with ALL 'Paid For' Tips ...

It is not JUST the £900 - whether somebody can afford as such, or not -

But, it always the TOTAL STAKES, WELL in EXCESS of £900 on the advised horses - mostly Losing, no doubt - that does then even greater financial, and consequent mental, damage.
Report rue-the- day June 22, 2018 8:28 PM BST
Hi Denzilberthy your spot on my on line accounts went many years ago , but about 40 bookies shops in town centre alone, and high staff turnover and staff who don’t gone a f@@@ so easy to get the bets on at the prices, put in the leg work and it’s easy, a couple of on line accounts forget it
Report DenzilPenberthy June 22, 2018 9:43 PM BST

Jun 22, 2018 -- 8:28PM, rue-the- day wrote:


Hi Denzilberthy your spot on my on line accounts went many years ago , but about 40 bookies shops in town centre alone, and high staff turnover and staff who don’t gone a f@@@ so easy to get the bets on at the prices, put in the leg work and it’s easy, a couple of on line accounts forget it


I've done that in the past and only very occasionally nowadays as found the daily grind a pain in the rse have sort of accepted the situation now which I suppose is what they want.
I wish you well just don't get greedy with stakes and spread around which I'm sure you know already Wink

Report smirnoff2therescue June 22, 2018 9:50 PM BST
rue-the-day- haway man its impossible to get "the advertised" prices today even more so than it was 20 yrs ago - you are clearly on the payroll for this firm and i shall bite my tongue SadSadSad
Report smirnoff2therescue June 22, 2018 10:14 PM BST
fozzy - the best i got out of him was Pilsudski to win the Eclipse e/w of course @9/2 when there was 8 runners declared  - such was their abysmal run of form at the time even though they were advertising yet another max bet etc etc in racing post @ 1/33 i kid you not on the tennis  that i went in again on Pilsudski to win at 11/2 on day of the race - this was the day that Kieran bounced Bosra Sham off the rail 3f out and made sure she got beaten and imo cost him his job at Warren Place .

Next day members were treated to this.....


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNU3aIJs88g

biggest scam ever
Report smirnoff2therescue June 22, 2018 10:20 PM BST
And i had the chance to knock him out at at Ripon races not long after - but declined the offer

this crew dont hav none of this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3ueYxrA-Zs

SadSad
Report smirnoff2therescue June 22, 2018 11:42 PM BST
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9X_ViIPA-Gc
Report chavman June 23, 2018 12:08 AM BST

And i had the chance to knock him out at at Ripon races not long after - but declined the offer


you bought him a fuggin ice cream ya muggy c...
Report mouse muldoon June 23, 2018 12:09 AM BST
Yes, it was a 69.
Report chavman June 23, 2018 12:09 AM BST
top 10 forum bullsheister pronunciations
Report chavman June 23, 2018 12:11 AM BST
david haye said the same
Report smirnoff2therescue June 23, 2018 12:16 AM BST
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9X_ViIPA-Gc

lets play chavs


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ICnlyNUt_0o
Report smirnoff2therescue June 23, 2018 12:16 AM BST
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9X_ViIPA-Gc

lets play chavs


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ICnlyNUt_0o
Report smirnoff2therescue June 23, 2018 12:16 AM BST
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9X_ViIPA-Gc

lets play chavs


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ICnlyNUt_0o
Report chavman June 23, 2018 12:26 AM BST
lets go balearic

https://www.shazam.com/gb/track/415034680/x-spanglish-version
Report mouse muldoon June 23, 2018 12:27 AM BST
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2yvoRtHSQ4Y
Report chavman June 23, 2018 12:32 AM BST
cant download it-try nicky jam ..X..spanglish
Report mouse muldoon June 23, 2018 12:34 AM BST
Try gerald the franglais donkey
Report smirnoff2therescue June 23, 2018 12:35 AM BST
tilt LaughLaughLaughLaugh
Report mouse muldoon June 23, 2018 12:36 AM BST
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8LhkyyCvUHk
Report smirnoff2therescue June 23, 2018 12:39 AM BST
try and strike me down chavs

2nd have anutha go Angry
Report mouse muldoon June 23, 2018 12:41 AM BST
You can't beat this sheet

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0sB3Fjw3Uvc
Report chavman June 23, 2018 12:42 AM BST
the insinuation is i spin webs,you may or may not be right,but ive always been a c nt for swimming against the tide,but i know ive got the right side in my own mind.100%
Report smirnoff2therescue June 23, 2018 12:44 AM BST
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VBlKYbFWZ-o




oooossss
Report smirnoff2therescue June 23, 2018 12:44 AM BST
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VBlKYbFWZ-o




oooossss
Report mouse muldoon June 23, 2018 12:44 AM BST
ffs I'd love to have a nickname as good as "The Spider".
Report chavman June 23, 2018 12:47 AM BST
you see yous eople will only ever be sheep in that you get burrowed into one mindset and as with a pack mentality convince yourselves youre all right-open up your minds.
Report mouse muldoon June 23, 2018 12:48 AM BST
free your mind and the ass will follow
Report mouse muldoon June 23, 2018 12:48 AM BST
and if the ass don't follow the spider will
Report mouse muldoon June 23, 2018 12:49 AM BST
but neither can ye make to drink
Report mouse muldoon June 23, 2018 12:49 AM BST
corinthians 13:4
Report smirnoff2therescue June 23, 2018 12:52 AM BST
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7hqgC3W9

just to enoy LoveLoveLove
Report smirnoff2therescue June 23, 2018 12:52 AM BST
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7hqgC3W9

just to enoy LoveLoveLove
Report mouse muldoon June 23, 2018 12:55 AM BST
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZCOSPtyZAPA
Report chavman June 23, 2018 12:58 AM BST
when i was i jersey steve collins used to train above a pub called the corinthian

is it like that
Report swift-tuttle June 23, 2018 6:58 AM BST
Report mouse muldoon July 27, 2018 1:11 AM BST
Shocked
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