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Ok it worked. Been having problems posting on here. Need some advice. was in a betting shop to watch the Oaks today. At moment, won't name shop, but following might give it away. Anyway, at last minute decided I'd put a bet on. I'd stupidly left my phone at home so didn't have access to my BF account. Wrote out bet, stalls opened, I rushed the three yards to counter, girl took bet, processed my cash and gave me my change. I asked whether my bet was on in time. She said yes. Watched race, roared home Donnacha, had to go back to work (happy). Popped back to collect around 715 after work. Long pause as different cashier scanned my bet. Got me wondering whether there had been a late disqualification. But no, he said bet put on too late. I retold story about female cashier accepting bet, and asked how late. He replied two seconds. Trying to contain my frustrated laughter, I asked isn't there a period of discretion. He replied i was two secs over that!! This got me thinking just how little leeway was given for a 12f race? Anyway, I eventually found their results screen. They don't quote off time, rather the no more bets (nmb) time, and I was actually one second over this. Finding the official offtime, I was seemingly 23 secs late. This astonished me. We're their clicks in sync? I know for a fact the horses were barely out of stalls as I reached counter, let alone nearly run two furlongs. Guy in shop told me to return tomorrow and take it up with cashier I placed bet with. I can't get back to shop till Monday. Even if she's working then, will her memory have faded? Do betting shops even have managers anymore? Any advice much appreciated. Obviously it doesn't look good if my bet was placed 23 secs after the off, but I really find that hard to comprehend. Surely the time stamp is as bet is scanned, or is it when money is paid, as I did have to delve deep to find money. I'm a regular in this shop, but don't have loads of bets.....thanks
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1 they took your money and were willing to keep it if your horse lost 2 they should have refused to take your bet there and then and given your money back they should pay out because 1 they accepted your money 2 goodwill- you are a customer the 23 sec is bullshit/ and they cannot use the actual race time vs the telly off etc I suggest you send a formal email/letter to the bettingshops online business or management and insist on afull payout |
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get your bet on before the off, saves all the palaver
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stake ?
return ? |
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Thanks for reply. As I said, might not come to that, as I might get paid out on Monday, but bit of a pain having to "battle" for it. Hopefully, I'll have a sensible conversation with a different member of staff on Monday. Just feeling a bit miffed at the moment.
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rule number one in all shops is, dont ring up the bet till you get the money.
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Reply to "The Dealer": hard to disagree. But life isn't always perfect. And bets put on marginally after off is a common occurrence in every high street bookies.
Capt_F: is the stake/return relevant? Anyway, I had 23 win/14 place, expected return 213ish.... |
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slow counts
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as far as i know it isnt in lads or betfred, anything after the off is void.
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14 ew 9win bit odd u regular ?
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with no discretion
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One question I forgot to ask. In people's experiences would I have a greater or lesser chance depending on which bookie?
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I understand the concept of slow count. Generally practiced on dog races. Not that the cashier would have much clue as to the distance of the 430Epsom!
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Slow counts were so 80's today it's simple computer says no, just put your bet on before race.
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plenty slow counters/ambigious bets still making a living
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If that's true fair play
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so much inexperienced staff to play off, epos has made it harder for them but they have just adapted what they do. they only need one or two a week to make a living. they tend to work in teams now and some are very good at what they do.
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Best Slow Count I seen Practiced was the Dog with Long odds evening Football Match ,Rush up to Counter Tell cashier want Price on Dog, rings Bet up as your counting the money,even laid it on counter ,"I need price on Evening football game as well please" Cash in Plain view in hand ,Bet is on,
Poor cashier Now looks for evening Football price ,Punter Knows his dogs and that dog is winning Fook all after 15 secs Walks ,Dog wins Football price added an through the camera ,Very very Clever ,Seen it Happen in shop I was managing ,I was relief ,Same fella came in another Shop I was managing Two weeks later ,And made a Hasty retreat  If the dog wins no one is any wiser until the Old roll of film was checked if it ever was (random)...They Obviously done the rounds Pick a cashier Bit of banter before the Play And Bobs your uncle . |
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Left the Game many Years ago Dealer , So dont really know the New System ,But I would find a Rick Somehere in it
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loads of racing, loads of new starts, plenty opportunity if staff break the 2 golden rules, giving bets back or accepting a bet without payment. heard horrendous stories of guys getting thousands of pounds of bets on, without handing over any money.
ambigious bets more to the fore now, especially with the eastern europeans, placing bets with no decimal point in stake box. if it loses its £2.70 if it wins its £270 |
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just lol
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Its Crazy Mate Years Back Had a dopey Cashier, I was behind Her settling Some Cxnt has Tried the Slow count 1 1/2 mile race She has rang the 200 up 4-6 the Bloke has his head down down on the Counter pretending to be Ill, Roll in Hand ,by the Time I realised whats going on about 3 furlongs Left ,I had seen the 200 on the Till I said has he paid for that ,anyway Ive stormed round tried to Grab the Roll of money through Screen
He is Gripping it for his Life, Entering Final Furlong Horse is beat and I slung Him out would Love a Video of it ,I rang the Head office Im sure the Fxckers Thought it was My bet |
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Unfortunately, you have no chance of getting paid. Managers don't have discretion anymore regards such scenario. Bet void, stake returned.
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Why do punters wait until the last minute. Only causes problems all round.
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Just depends who was slow rolling you, certain people you wouldn't chase, car load of baseball bats put you off.
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Was working For Heathorns at the Time ,Best one is I went Dogs One night (with my own Money) Won a couple of Quid I met two mates we ended up in a Snooker Club Absolutely Stocious till 4 in the Morning ,Gone home I am Meant to be in Shop at 9 am to open for 10 ,If the fxkin alarm went off I didnt hear it
Some how I woke up about 11 ,I have charged out of the House got to the shop about 40 mins later ,Cashier wasnt due in till 12 ,Area manager had shop key but not safe, He was there They thought I had **** off with the Takings He said why didn't you Ring when you woke .I said would You ? What fckin difference would it have made ,He looked delighted when I opened the safe and Money was there  Think I got some Kind of warning ,he was a sound Bloke .. Needless to say I got Regular 9 am calls at the shop for a couple of weeks after.. |
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Stan Bowles and a Few mates Used to Punt in the Shop ,Good Lads ,they were betting shops then ,Not the shyte we have now .
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Unfortunately, you have no chance of getting paid. Managers don't have discretion anymore regards such scenario. Bet void, stake returned.
Rate reply: | report block user themightymac themightymac 02 Jun 18 01:09 Joined: 05 Apr 02 | Topic/replies: 20,662 | Blogger: themightymac's blog Why do punters wait until the last minute. Only causes problems all round. Rate reply: Hope you're not right about this. As for waiting for the last minute, as I've mentioned before it happens in every shop up n down the country. Not intentional in most cases, just the way shop punters work, as in most of them are betting on nearly every race during day. I'm guessing if my bet was £1ew I'd have no problems. My mitigating circumstances are that I asked if bet was late. Regardless of the computer says no scenario, surely computer says no before slip receipt is handed back to me. As I said, I feel I should get paid, but can see how they might be able to say no |
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old trick from the scum.
take your bet knowing its a couple of seconds late, if it wins you were on late here's your stake back, if it loses you're walking out the door ... filth |
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Dodadae2,If you've placed your bet with WH you should get paid as a discretionary payment i've been told. 23 seconds after the off of a race that took 2 mins 41 secs means the senior management should be able to sort it, especially as you are a regular and verified it with the cashier. They will check your version of events on CCTV. Ring the customer helpline up and speak to them or get the Business Performance manager/Area manager involved.
Hope you get paid. What part of the country was it? If it's not Hills then the same should apple really but i cant't say for sure |
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*apply
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It wasn't WH. I'd thought the NMB thing would have been a clue to fact it was PP. From their website, their rules state the following.
When is my bet officially placed? In branches where the Paddy Power EPOS system is in use, the process for accepting bets involves the bets being processed through the scanner and a receipt printed with a unique bet number and image of the bet (or bet details in the case of mark-sense slips) recorded on it. Our staff having completed these two stages and received the bet stake will hand the receipt to the customer. In the event that all of these stages do not occur the bet has not been accepted by Paddy Power. Accordingly, any subsequent claim for payment will be refused. |
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This makes me more confident/hopeful regardless of any goodwill recourse
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OK well can only tell you what WH would do. Good luck with getting paid. You haven't gained any material advantage 23 seconds into a mile and half race. They should pay you as a one off discretionary as a regular anyway, but PP are a law unto themselves. You need to escalate it past the cashier though. She can verify your story, as will CCTV if they have it, but she wouldnt have the authority to pay due to the amount involved
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I agree it is pointless trying to get a bet on at or just after the off, long gone are the days of once it is placed it is actually on.
My one gripe with this situation if 100% true, is if the cashier was asked if it on and she replied it was then surely has to be paid, surely she knows if it had been on or if it was voided there and then?? If she did know was she hoping to pocket a void bet if beat, and if she did actually think it was on then there is something seriously wrong with the system that can void bets after a customer has been told they are on. |
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She wouldn't know it was void until she actually went to translate the bet. Thats when the system flags it up as being late.
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You haven't gained any material advantage 23 seconds into a mile and half race.
Really!? |
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She wouldn't know it was void until she actually went to translate the bet. Thats when the system flags it up as being late
So when exactly would she know? If a cashier is asked if it is on and she replies it is, then there is a big issue if it can then be voided. Would he have been told after the race if it lost "by the way your bet was voided and here is your money back"? |
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23 seconds into the derby today will give a good indication about saxon warrior?
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