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26 Apr 18
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Does anyone else think the books have the front 2 in this race in the market at the wrong prices?
Surely Samcro is priced at evens on hype and potential? Melon was a neck 2nd in the biggest hurdle race of the year to a now duel winner in Buveur D'Air yet is 5-2. What price BD in the race? I would say odds on about 8-11. Anyway I have taken the very generous 5-2 with 365
Surely Samcro is priced at evens on hype and potential? Melon was a neck 2nd in the biggest hurdle race of the year to a now duel winner in Buveur D'Air yet is 5-2. What price BD in the race? I would say odds on about 8-11. Anyway I have taken the very generous 5-2 with 365
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Samcro is a ridiculous price.....Odds On is a complete Joke in a Race like that.
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Samcro is very short for tomorrow, but 8/1 for the Champion Hurdle at Cheltenham next year. If he wins tomorrow his price will tumble, and probably be fav.
I hope Samcro wins and goes for the Champion Hurdle next year. Similarly, I also hope Footpad goes the Champion Chase route to do battle with Altior otherwise it could a walk -in-the-park for Altior (again). |
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same here..........hope he wins...........racing needs superstars
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Samcro will win , the top hurdlers are very average at this time ........and Mr Mullins will hoover up the place money with his runners so there will not be a very big loss in the trainers race.
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I don't see Melon reproducing his last run - more likely he'll be finishing weakly. Samcro open to quite a bit of improvement at this trip and his previous form is working out quite well. I've backed Supasundae
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impossible
surely footpad has to be aimed at the champion chase to be honest he might have won this seasons race. |
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the top hurdlers are very average at this time
That's utter tripe. B'Dair is absolutely top class. 3rd in Supreme behind Altior and Min followed by a brilliant unbeaten run including 2 x Champ Hurdle!! Samcro does exude class but the minimum trip and a CH 2nd, and a tough Supasundae makes this difficult to justify Evens. @ the prices agree with OP and Melon looks the value if able to reproduce his best. However, this festival is one too many for a lot of horses and probably a watching brief is best as some unusual results. P.S Lol. No chance Footpad would have beaten Altior this season. A highly impressive novice this season; but mainly beats Petit Munchoir time after time. Next season will be his acid test. |
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The natural progression post the Arkle will be the Champion Chase for most victors/participants the following year. But I think post the win of Footpad in the Arkle there were murmurings he'd have the King George as a target with the Gold Cup (GC) a possibility. However, with the triumph of Bellshill in the Punchestown Gold Cup Mullins (and Wylie) do have a horse with merit for the Gold Cup - the old servant Djakadam is regressive - thus the likelihood of Footpad taking the KG or GC route has lessened significantly.
With due respect to Buveur D'Air and his connections I'm hoping Samcro wins too as the Champion Hurdle does need a superstar similar to Altior. I'd also like to see Samcro win with authority, with Melon or Supasundae in 2nd as confirmation. |
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when you finish laughing charwell could you tell me a good horse altior has beaten over fences ?
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Agree with GoBallistic.
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when you finish laughing charwell could you tell me a good horse altior has beaten over fences ?
 Take me a little longer after that line! 11111/111111-11 - is his hurdle and chase form. RPR of 190. Not just beaten but hammered all comers inc. Min, Cloudy Dream, Potilogue, Fox Norton, B'Dair (hurdles) etc. |
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Having watched Altior the last three years, I find it absolutely amazing that anyone could even try and knock the horse.
Some horses you only have to watch them to know....hes one of them. Forget the whats he beat syndrome. |
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i am not trying to knock him budd just wandering what he has beat over fences.
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The answer is everything!!!
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very decent horse, just unfortunate that his wins are workmanlike rather than exhilarating, unlikely he will get the plaudits he probably deserves because of it
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acey deucy Joined: 29 Sep 02
Replies: 13457 26 Apr 18 14:49 Samcro is a ridiculous price.....Odds On is a complete Joke in a Race like that. max lay then? |
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i had forgotten he had beaten fox norton at newbury by 13 lengths clearly a good performance in fact on that run altior would have won last seasons champion chase never mind the arkle,however i dont really think the likes of min ,cloudy dream and as tough as he is politolouge are anything special ,altior if as i am sure most of us would like to see came up against footpad he would find him much better than anything he has raced against over fences so far.
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diego du charmil will give some indication tomorrow as to difference between altior and footpad .
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Altior is a better horse over 2m hurdles than Footpad; Altior can also quicken at the business end of every race too. Until Footpad can beat the likes of Fox Norton, Special Tiara, Politologue, Douvan, Min, etc I firmly believe Altior will have the measure of Footpad (convincingly) should they do battle eg in the Tingle Creek before Cheltenham, and Altior will be clear fav, all things being equal. So far, Footpad has run and jumped his (novice) adversaries into submission, his main and sole solid yardstick being Petit Mouchoir.
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you have the game by the bol.ox
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What a Race this is gonna be....I usually need to have a bet to get excited but not in this one......Come On Sam.
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Oh dear !!
Looks like both ok to fight another day though. |
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thats the main thing budd
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Putting a novice hurdler (Samcro) in a Champion Hurdle is plain dumb.
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thank god you have made only 17 replies in 12 years.
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Putting a novice hurdler (Samcro) in a Champion Hurdle is plain dumb.
?? Why ? |
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if you had voiced that opinion prerace then you would have a point of sorts maxed out, afterwards it is fairly meaningless
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Foxy _ worth it though isnt it, and I wonder if I should be a saddo and check how many post you've made?
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Here's another post is'nt that great?:
Surprise surprise the very next race at Punchestown is a Champion Novice Hurdle |
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I suppose if connections knew Samcro would do something he aint done before,then you may have a point.
Horse werent under too much pressure at the time,just one of those things that happen in this game unfortunately. The experienced Champion Hurdle runner up did exactly the same. |
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i didnt take a lot of checking, and no its not worth it its complete and utter bol.ox racing is an entertaining industry we want to see horses take each other on ,regarding the fall it had nothing to do with been a novice against open racing horses.
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maxed out the next race is over 2m4f perhaps connections wanted to dip there toes in at 2m with a view to aiming at next seasons champion hurdle,just a thought.
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Both fell (miracle)
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My thought are putting a novice in a champion hurdle is dumb . I'm not changing my opinion.
I dont think your'er entitled to an opinion just because you do more posts what an idiot you are. |
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If any consolation for backers of Samcro Melon fell just a fraction before Samcro, and both were going better than the eventual winner Supasundae; Samcro seemed to be going the better than Melon just prior.
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Foxy I suppose posting a lot makes you an expert - at winding up other posters .
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already said prerace you may have been congratulated on your thoughts but the wording post race does you no favours
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i know very little about horse racing maxed but do like to see the best take each other on like cooneygree did in the gold cup.
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