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Good piece from Kevin Blake RE: Irish stewarding
Good piece from Kevin Blake RE: Irish stewarding
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ok Kevin thanks for the reply, as I said maybe I was being cynical due to the coincidence but take your word that was not the case
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Just finished listening to The Final Furlong Podcast Kevin another Great Show,i never miss it.
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whats the point in concentrating on a horses performance after its tripled in price,think the point been made that in top races in Ireland especialy that one race has nothing to do with their following race and in most cases the betting tells us beforehand when top horses are going to underperform,rightly or wrongly no one expects the form of the 3 leop races plus the edewulph race tobe upheld when the same horses meet again,and hores that drifted like barges last time will start at ridiculous odds comparative to their last run,people say its all part of the game but eventually punters will say the game aint worth playing, already think the conclusion drawn is anyone betting before 10 mins before the off is just guessing, imo, which in theory would exclude everyone bar setious punters from getting a run for their hard earned
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Kevin thanks for reply. I think it's a case of everyone being tarred with the same brush to be fair to you. You get so fed up with hearing the likes of Mapletoft, Weaver etc constantly defend jockeys that you assume everyone does it for the same reason.
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It is good of Mr Blake to gave his point of views nevertheless, if being constrained by legalities maybe one has to consider seriously whether one is inside or one is outside the horse racing fraternity especially if the constraints are too insurmountable to allow one to voice one's opinions freely and succinctly and free from contractual restrictions; either one is in or one is out, sometimes one cannot have it both ways.
Sad but it is true Horse Racing in Britain and Ireland are getting progressively non-aligned to a horse's ability (proven or not), and the regulators seems unwilling or capable of dealing with it given the increasing number of injudicious rides by experienced jockeys (not amateurs or apprentices) on show on a regular basis. As a result I cannot bet with confidence thus no longer choose to partake in the majority of races. If any entity or individual feels I have infringed their legal environment I'm all ears and ready to defend my views in any court of law, if necessary; free speech must be a given regardless, I firmly believe, and must not be guided/constrained by one's affiliation to any entity or profession. |
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impossible,
It is nothing to do with contractual restrictions or being inside or outside the horse racing fraternity. It's about being bound by the law of the land. I am a fresslancer and if I use a public platform to state that Jockey X has stopped a horse, even if I'm 100% correct, it is 1.01 that I will both have legal proceedings commenced against me and that I will end up losing. I could tell you stories about journalists and broadcasters that have ended up having to pay damages to jockeys/trainers for comments that would be considered by many to be fair comment. It's just worth bearing those constraints in mind when commenting on a broadcaster or writers apparent lack of willingness to "tell it like it is." |
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never heard of chris froome threatening any of the many foreign journo,s accuse him of using performing enhancing drugs, no wonder racing is a free for all for skulduggery
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Irish Whisper
Thanks for your prompt reply. I can see where you are coming from, and fully understand your stance and predicament. Unlike you I'm not a freelancer, and neither am I reliant on an income form horse racing (finally). Nevertheless, I still get a bit if grief if my posts here were of differing views to some others, but that is part and parcel of posting one's views on a platform like this one. To me, horse racing is only a game and it encompasses many factors, the main one being opinions. Good luck, and thanks for your reply. |
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rather ironic that Lydia hislop turns out to be the only racing pundit with a pair of balls,
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Lydia Hislop is ballsy alright, that's why I read and listen to her comments and contributions; the others especially those at the Racing Post...a waste of time and space. They are usually younger but believe they know it all even though it is wholly one-sided, inaccurate and lacking experienced.
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1st time poster,
You may be familiar with Lance Armstrong. He successfully sued David Walsh and others for defamation, despite the fact that their accusations of his use of performance enhancing drugs were correct. Thankfully, they got it all back when he subsequently admitted his guilt. https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2013/aug/25/lance-armstrong-settles-sunday-times |
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were basically been told if pundits see jockstrainers stopping horses they wont comment on it, even worse concentrate on the horse and tell us other reasons why it was beaten,or am I missing something, bet you deli ali wish,s he was in the horse racing game
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I am and I,m also aware of sam alladyce still waiting to serve writs on bbc reporters over 10 years ago,hardly suprising most people seer racing as bent, when jockeys,trainers no even if people think there up to no good they wont bring it to the public,s attention
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enlightening to read your thoughts ,opinions whisper but anyone reading them who thought okay I thought that race,ride was a bit suspect but come on it was a grade 1 race,trainer,jockey etc I must be getting paranoid,will now be thinking no I,m not paranoid their at it and no one,s prepared to speak up out of fear of retribution,was reading similar opinions about cooper been intimidated on another thread who no,s maybe there true
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fair play kevin. certain irony that on the same forum you used to request the stewards to do more ted chose to roll out his after dinner anectode about turning up at a meeting and being instructed to finish last to preserve the horses handicap mark.
maybe times have changed ... maybe not |
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This forum and all social media outlets are full of complete tools who assume that just about every horse who doesn't run up to form has been stopped, that any horse who finds trouble in running was a deliberate act etc etc. There are even some who assume that when an outsider wins the most prestigious steeplechase run in Ireland then it must have been a stitch up by the trainers and/or jockeys concerned.
There's little or no point in trying to reason with idiots who keep insisting that racing is rotten to the core, but yet they never seem to miss a day of it. Why do they bother if this is what they will always believe? |
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no visor this forum is full of people that no grade 1 horses,in grade 1 races trained by the best are been laid at 3,4 times their forecast price by people who no they arnt going to perform, vcopmpletely different argument to horses arnt machines etc
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Personally, I'd help crowd-fund a knowledgeable individual who publicly rightly criticises a jockey who regularly rides injudiciously (knowingly or unknowingly) without punitive consequences from the appropriate body as I believe that is my right, as a follower of the sport and backer, to expect professionalism and fairness in the game. However, any racing journalist (freelance or not) would find that difficult because their livelihood and/or integrity could be at stake.
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Yes ftv, agreed, but on the other hand when rogues like Charles Byrnes come out and confess that they can only make their business pay by gambling, one realises that his previous history only speaks for itself!
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instead of a list of about 50 jockeys,trainers,owners who,ve all been banned for one reason or another ,were talking as though someone who accuses someone is the 1st to do it,previous bans already tells us its rife in the game
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visor. it was kevin himself that was looking for the stewards to speak to connections of the horses that didn't run up to form.
does that make him a 'complete tool' ?? |
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Can someone please provide the list of clean sports where the governing bodies have never had the need to issue fines, bans or suspensions.
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Hulk, no of course not. I'm talking about the tools who are watching racing all day every day but who never miss an opportunity to tell us how the game is fcuked, going down the tubes, people are leaving in their droves etc. They apparently believe there was a time when horse racing was predictable and making it pay was easy, but not any more!
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well whispers argument is that only looking into 2o 0dd races is a joke ,so he obviously thinks the stewards should be looking into many more ,so maybe the so called tools are far more clued up than you visorm
the game is fooked,punters leaving in droves are facts in most racing peoples minds, and if you think the opposite which you must ,think the word tool fits perfectly |
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if someones on here laying all the hotpots from a certain stable for anything you want and they then run like stink then maybe the game is fcuked ...
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The same stable, at the same meeting, had a heavily backed favourite and another huge drifter ( 8-1 to betfair sp of 32-1) in the bumper. The drifter won. But nobody wants to talk about this - why?
My guess is that whoever it was that laid Melon and Yorkhill walked away losing money that weekend. |
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On the FF podcast Blake was rather distancing himself somewhat from the prospect of anything underhanded going on during the Dublin festival of racing, with regards to "alleged" betting irregularities.
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that's the impression I got anyway. |
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I still don't understand how there hasn't been more noise about the Yorkhill performance in particular, Mullins summing up was quite frankly laughable, "he showed he couldn't go 2 mile pace over fences", how does he know? the horse who takes a tug as a matter of course looked half dead before he'd gotten over the first!!!!!
That needs an investigation all on its own if you ask me!! |
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which is why the whole thing kevin was advocating is a complete waste of time - if the stewards haul the trainer in and ask wtf was that joke of a run all about it was knackered before it got to the first fence he just says "he showed he couldn't go 2 mile pace over fences". they note the explanation, end of.
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listen Kevin, there are some f----n idiots on here who criticise a jokey even before the race. good luck trying to give an honest opinion. cheers.
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jockey, sorry. cheers.
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yes a complete nonsense.
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Freudian slip bairn?
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yes Duffy, it quite amused me after I noticed it. cheers.
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