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I do not follow Irish Racing as much as some here. However, in the big races I did follow, and when Cooper was on one of the hot-pots of Elliot or others I'd been more disappointed than encouraged by his riding. His worst at the Cheltenham Festival were onboard No More Heroes in the AB and Don Cossack (DC), no two ways about it - his ride on DC in the King George where DC fell was not much better either after DC was unsettled prior to the 2nd last yet DC was ruched up by Cooper to challenge which resulted to him falling leaving Cue Card tp pick up Vautour despite 2l down after the last.
His behaviour after winning from a steering job on DC in the Gold Cup was unnecessary either eg commenting on the unfair/unsavoury stick he got from punters on social media, etc; if I remember correctly Elliot was not the least worried who Cooper chose between DC or Don Poli with an able substitute in Russell. I firmly believe he'd not been riding well since his many falls, and dissociation from Gigginstown; he just need to show his mettle in the future and restore his (reputation) in Ireland as he's still relatively young for a jockey. It will not be easy to get a retained position at the Elliot/Gigginstown operation given the up-and-coming Jack Kennedy in pole position, but Mullins could be on-the-look-out for a stable jockey fairly soon. |
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Duncan , I spoke to him after his winning ride at the last Fairyhouse meeting , as MJK says he seem so lacking in self confidence its sad. I think you just don't lose it overnight, sadly for Bryan his lack of confidence is noticed by everyone, and therefore its hard for owners and trainers to put him up on fancied horses . Jimeen as usual showing his lack of class, but we've become used to that , have you EVER heard him praise a jockey, except family member Davy...
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Just 1 ride for the whole weekend from what I can see.
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seems to me theres a lot of shsters looking to destroy this guy . i dont know him from adam . hes proved he was the very excellence of jockeys . now hes in trouble , the mark of a good man is to pick people up and re-enthuse them . unless the guys beyond help . he deserves the utmost resapect
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i think hes just a thinker , deeper than most , he considers dark mass , creation ./ ye ,, hes of dawkins
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I agree, I think "we" - those who do not like or think Cooper is a good jockey - ought to lay off him for a bit and allow him the chance and time to haul himself back to from present predicament. I'm sure we've experienced ups and downs in our career and life, and a jockey is no different. Cooper is still a young lad, and deserves another chance, at least.
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Funny how time changes things.
Cooper apparently had a 'steering job' on Don Cossack in the 2016 Gold Cup. Davy Russell was slated no end on here for the ride on Don Poli. |
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Well for me I would have liked to see them pick a more unlikely jockey who had not been given the chances that Bryan Cooper had. Maybe someone who had not been given an opportunity since coming out of their claim like Kevin Sexton or someone similar.
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The writing was on the wall months ago and why Tizzard employed him is beyond me,It is a simple fact is that Cooper before his injuries would attack the fences and make the horses mind up for it,Now alas Coopers confidence is so shot that the horses he rides do their own thing at fences hence losing lengths in the process,The boy might do as well to take a few weeks out of the game re-focus and gain his confidence back because he was an Up and coming talented rider and you do not lose that overnight As for the Tizzards they are people I cannot take to Joe Tizzard was an apalling rider in general so he has nothing to shout about If Bryan Cooper takes reflective time out re-group he could co e back better than ever.
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dettori comeback has been remarkable , can a jump jockey do the same
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Why the Tizzards getting stick? As I said previously it appears nobody wants to put him up,hardly the Tizzard's fault.
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Potts wanted him
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Dont see how he was sacked by the tizzards, dont know how many horses potts has in the tizzard yard but it isnt enough to be a full time job.
Tizzards prefer Power, Cobden and Scudamore. Probably because 2 of them can ride out very often. |
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mickwheblembe 24 Feb 18 12:06
why Tizzard employed him is beyond me common knowledge since day 1 that it was on owner's insistence...try to keep up, ace |
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I believe that the full story of Bryan Cooper's present predicament is only known to the insiders in irish racing. There is more here than simply riding ability.
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Whatever the reason, and injuries may play a part in his confidence, he is good enough and young enough to come back. Look at who he replaced for Gigginstown and see where he is now after his troubles. Not much sentiment in the game sometimes but quality usually comes through with the right attitude.
Good luck to him. |
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santry knows
and quite frankly davy russell v bryan cooper is a no brainer imo davy every day of the week and twice on sundays |
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russell has never been on of my fav jockeys - but can't argue he's riding well this past year, maybe older/wiser etc but his judgement of pace is top notch and sure gordon is mucho happy to have him riding along side kennedy
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rather than worry about coopers future can anyone name the horses they think cooper should have gagged up on,and list any horse,s ridden by cooper that lost and have since trotted up under a different rider,according to this thread the golden egg has been found
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hope the guy comes back.Needs to rebuild his confidence-steer clear of injury.
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Perhaps a shade harsh (as wind op since and yard not in great form at the time), but Cooper wasn't exactly great on Vision Des Flos at Hereford (beaten at 1/4) and next start won by a distance in a Listed Hurdle at Exeter with Tom Scudamore on board.
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think after his listed win when interviewed tizzard said he had no idea where that run came from
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Tizzard is not exactly short of jockeys ready and willing to ride his best horses. Brennan, Johnson, Cobden and Scudamore to name 4. There may be races at Cheltenham when all of those are claimed by others but I doubt it. He also has Robbie Power to ride any of the Potts horses plus any others for which he is free.
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I would love to see Bryan strike gold at Cheltenham even if he only has one ride,his father has a new patron with about 25 horses, maybe one or two of them will step up to the mark and put Bryan back in the spotlight.
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The way the Tizzards have gone about campaigning the likes of FO this year they should be looking at themselves first about their own competency, where as last year they were the 2nd coming, this year now, with that focus they've not been up to it.
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is the new patron andrew brooks
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Correct Isleham.
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I’ve a better chance of winning the Euro Millions lotto twice in a row, than Tom Cooper has of winning a race at Cheltenham.
As for Brian Cooper riding a winner at the festival, the question id be asking would be, will he even be there ? |
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That's why I said he might ONLY have ONE ride please try and follow the thread, I seem to remember you crying aplenty when Davy lost said job, now he's back in the saddle all's rosy in the garden . Talk about sticking the knife in!
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I wouldn't think Tom Cooper will have a runner this year but he has a hell of a strike there for a small yard with 2 grade 1s in the bag.
I'll be surprised if Brian doesn't pick up a couple of rides there. |
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You seem to remember a lot of things wonker, it’s a pity that your memory isn’t very accurate.
When Cooper got Russell’s job, I said at the time that it was a perfectly understandable decision as Cooper and Russell were both top class. Sadly that is no longer the case, and Coopers plight is very much of his own doing. This new patron Brooks that you are on about is Andrew Brooks, the same person who owns San Calvados, currently third fav for the Arkle. I don’t see Cooper on that. |
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Am I reading that Correctly Johnny, I said at the time that it was a perfectly understandable decision as Cooper and Russell were both top class. If that was the case WHY was Davy sacked ? doesn't make sense. Is San not trained in England ? surely Bryan is not retained by him in the U.K ?
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Davy and Cooper were sacked because their employers felt they weren’t good enough at the time. On the second occasion they have been proved to be right. Cooper rode a few winners for Brooks earlier in the year but his services look like they are no longer required.
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Johnny, you seem to be contradicting yourself, your previous post said Davy was top class, now you say its because he wasn't good enough,its either one or the other boyo.
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Wonker, you are on here a long time and it’s thicker you have got since you first started posting the complete horses pisss that you have made your speciality .
I shouldn’t bother engaging with you because you have a complete inability to comprehend basic English . In a previous post I said Russell was top class, and I said he was sacked because he wasn’t deemed good enough by his employers. I wasn’t his employer , you total cretin, so it’s irrelevant what I think as it was O Leary who was doing the hiring and the firing. If it was up to me then Russell would never have lost his job, but quite obviously it wasn’t . The same as, if it was up to me , I wouldn’t let people bleed the state for decades without ever doing a stroke of work during that period. |
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I do not think the sacking of Russell was solely down to his riding ability; the available, age and talent of Cooper were key to him getting the position riding for Gigginstown.
I believe Russell did have a behavioural issue then. If in doubt asks the stewards at Clonmel steward; his hitting a horse at Tramore was another negative streak. But he is a great jockey. |
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well Johnny delighted to hear you're finally going to have a word with your relations re living off the state,not before time I might add!.Back to the point, Davy gave some cracking rides to some odds on shots that got beat I must say, I know you would NEVER have sacked him, golden goose and all that. Still never mind he's back in the fold now so better times ahead for you and the family I imagine...
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thought tom cooper mainly broke in brook's young horses and then were passed on so cant see brian getting many winners from his father
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The only person who could see Cooper getting Cheltenham winners from his father was wonker, and that’s of no significance
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The abuse and lack of respect that has finished the Irish Forum now on display on this forum.
On Bryan Cooper,he really has been unlucky since he lost the Giggy job. Tizzard out of form all season and he never really bought into the Cooper arrangement.I was at Cheltenham in November and I thought his rides on Finians Oscar and Fox Norton more than capable. What has suprised me is the way he has almost been black balled by the Irish trainers.He can still do the job and I hope something goes for him soon. |