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in my opinion one of the worst decision ever had his ups and downs, but surely you show some loyalty the guy just had bad luck on some rides did not deserve the sack imo.
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Hard to see a future now for him. Still young and rode the Gold Cup winner two years ago.
Whatever the rights and wrongs, a very sad tale. Perhaps his horrendous injuries took their mental toll? A friend of mine was in the paddock before the Gold Cup in 16 and said that, after a poor week and having chosen Don Cossack over Don Pole, Cooper's body language suggested he would rather be anywhere else at that moment. Slumped, dejected and talking to no-one. And then he won the Gold Cup. As tough a game as there is and he has certainly ridden the rollercoaster. I wish him the best and would be delighted if he could bounce back. |
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only the owner wanted Cooper...owner sadly died...at the highest level of any sport, people have to make honest decisions and they clearly arent 100% behind BC...in a pressured environment, it's hard to persist with someone you harbour doubts about
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it's an interesting point, cyclops...imagine being 'the next big thing', top job & riding Grade 1 winners for fun, then you have you first bad falls/injuries and the upshot is your confidence is knocked, the fearlessness that was a big part of your rise is no longer part of your armoury...emotionally and psychology you would be in a very bad place, as the doors start to close and you feel that your best days are already behind you
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I've been going racing for over 40yrs, going to Thurles today, and in ALL my time I have never seen a jockey present a horse at a fence as well as Bryan when his confidence was up. That's saying something because I've seen them all. This is a very sad state of affairs for the lad and hopefully he turns things around. Us punters have short memories,people forget how young he still is!.
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would agree that his injuries affected physically and/or mentally, they are bound to
but interesting if you look at the jockey figures, cooper didn't overachieve for his opportunity even before his injuries he has been talked up a lot in the past and it had little foundation haven't seen much of him riding in ireland but certainly when he came over to england for cheltenham etc, I found him to be a liability there were some absolutely horrific rides given to giggi horses, no more heroes the worst imo |
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he rode the rollercoaster for a very short period hard not when you,ve got the pick of the very best giggy battlions in their stellar season,only did what another 100 or so other jocks could have done at the same time,poor ,average rides foirgiotten in a nano second when you,ve already won 1,2,3 graded races on the same card
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Never kick someone when someone is down.
The appointment was a bold one but it did not pay off, and certainly too soon after the events on the tracks and Gigginstown. Let's hope he's sufficiently determined and resilient and graft harder than ever before, and hopefully staying injury free for a long while. He's not a fav jock of mine, but he's still young with time on his side. A good jockey will always be recognised and valued eg Dettori. |
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^good post
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Always liked Colin Tizzard but I find the whole thing gas in that if his son was still riding he'd have him on his horses, the irony being Joe was a very average jockey who got lucky with Nicholls and his dad and as a jockey wouldn't lace Cooper's boots.
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I always liked him horrendous litany of injuries,sport is fickle and unforgiving at the highest level,I wish him the best of luck.
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imo some of this is being hyped by the press and especially chris cook. Bryan has a new column in the sun and things aren't that bad for him. He's a better jockey than Tizzard sans carrottes is a trainer that's for sure.
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Perhaps Cooper's biggest sin was to be riding while the Tizzard barn was bang out of form.
It's an odd thing, stable form or jockey form. Jockeys and trainers are put on hot or cold lists on the basis of very little evidence, and tiny samples. However you cut it, Cooper was unlucky but as we've just seen with Sammy Jo Bell on the Flat, this is a very capricious game. Some pilots get more rides than their talent justifies: others fewer. A few weeks off from injury, an unlucky ride in a big race, even a top apprentice riding out his or her claim at the wrong time of the year -- all can be career-destroying events. |
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Very good points, ramruma
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agree some good general points ramruma
but re cooper specifically, it is about a lot more than just bad luck or bad timing over a few weeks or months, short samples etc looking at the aggregate of his career he is an inefficient rider underachieved (in relative terms) for a jockey that has had opportunities few can even dream about at his age |
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Fits in perfectly with this scenario actually. Im not sure it's fair for me to call Robbie Power a "journeyman" but his star is in the ascent because Harrington's yard has kicked on in the last couple of years. Trainer gets the good feed, jockey gets higher rated. We might have seen this once or twice before,,,
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It is hard to blame Tizzard. We don't know what the Potts' have said and 14 wins from 161 rides suggests that most Irish trainers have lost faith in Brian Cooper as well.
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Elliott had no confidence in Cooper.He had/has total confidence in Jack Kennedy,even when Bryan was retained by Gigginstown.He publicly slated the ride Cooper gave Don Cossack in the Ryanair when he was third and would probably have picked a different jockey for his gold cup win.Same situation with the Tizzards.Owners choice and now they're gone.Cheltenham is where they want winner's and why should they sacrifice that by putting up an inept jockey low on confidence
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TheFear • February 22, 2018 11:48 AM GMT
Fits in perfectly with this scenario actually. not disagreeing with you fear just saying that the aggregate picture is not pretty for cooper either |
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workrider 22 Feb 18 09:34
in ALL my time I have never seen a jockey present a horse at a fence as well as Bryan when his confidence was up how would you rate him at present, workrider? has there been an obvious change in your eyes? |
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He presents them well, agreed, but the boy is too tall to be riding so short, and more times than most he overbalances and topples off.
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Tizzard certainly doesn't appear to be alone in not wanting him,why can't he get any rides in Ireland?
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Ribero is correct, he’s not getting rides in Ireland from anyone .
As for the rubbish about being the best to present horses at fence in 40 years , he was in his hole. He was a very good jockey for the period of about 2 years, that’s what he was, and no more than that. |
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I think his biggest problem was confidence. Even when he was on top of his game he always seemed shy, almost in disbelief. Off camera he is as quiet and timid as he is on. Once things started to go wrong I reckon it was almost a confirmation to himself that he isn't as good as he actually was.
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no rides at thurles today
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I think he still has a chance to rebuild his career,he has the Brooks horses to ride,how he could do with a winner at Cheltenham-even a Handicap just to get himself back on the map.
I still think he has a big future in the game and will overcome this lean spell. |
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JOE was of Course the Greatest Jockey in History
 HTF can the Judge Bryan  |
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sounds like cooper will have to man up or beat a retreat . it happened to jamie spencer at coolmore and he found a niche i think the same here . i,m sure he enjoys what he does , even if he isnt so expressive .
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Darryl Jacob has bounced back since splitting with Nicholls, no reason why BC can't do likewise and rebuild his career if he can stay clear of injuries and get his confidence back.
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Jump racing is incredibly unforgiving. After his horrendous catalogue of injuries since smashing his leg to bits at Cheltenham it's a minor miracle that he's still able to ride competitively. I personally don't think he doesn't have the confidence, it simply looks like the injuries have taken their toll, and he's back in the pack whereas before he smashed his leg he was outstanding.
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tizzard ruined thistlecrack
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Interesting point regarding jockeys/sportsman and injuries. Sadly another top Irish lad Adrian Maguire suffered the same fate.
I know it's a different sport, Roger Federer and Nadal both came back from injuries that basically ended their careers at the top. But then again tennis players do not suffer like jockeus do. So perhaps not a great example. |
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form is temporary... class is permanent.
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Colin should have a look at his training of finians oscar.
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The Tizzards are massive fans of Robbie Power and didn't want Cooper in the first place. Cooper has given plenty of their horses very average or worse rides. You can hardly blame them for going back to Robbie Power now they have more say in the matter. Seems a very obvious and correct move to me. Power is in a different league to Cooper.
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theres probably 1000,s more horses beaten because of pigeon holing horses tactics than win because of a so called great jockeys ride,in any race the difference between a so called great jockey riding at the height of his powers and a so called average jockey not riding winners is probably far less than we all think,when the stable cat can win the jockey is hailed as a superstar but when the stables top horse never mind the cat cant win the so called superstar jockey becomes an average passenger
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Cooper is one of the few jockeys (Russell and Ruby but can't think of many others) who can stay super cool in a race. He can pull off that tactic of allowing a rival to kick on, say three out, while looking beat himself. The other jockey thinks he has it and those 3 I've mentioned have saved a bit and come storming back to win.
Power not in that company imo. |
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I think most trainers ,owners no this because despite millions spent on horse flesh trained to the minute for races supposedly decided on miniscule margins they put up, sons, daughters,girlfriends,boyfriends,family friends, work jockeys for been loyal,hard working etc.etc
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