Yep, and if you have backed WP,you want the opposite.
I get all that,and its especially frustrating if one has backed WP and then you see that yesterday,but its been known that the connections of the horse are concerned about his soundness and the ground he runs on.
Connections will do what they think best for their horse, not a punters pocket.

Aintree is very late this year.  In Mid April he is perhaps even more unlikely to get his ground.

if they said he wasnt going to run at Cheltenham and it did,they would get ripped apart on here,probably started by the OP. at present they are saying it is doubtful but things could change. horses in certain races could become non runners,the horse itself might show them he is ready to go, the weather, ground could come in his favour. as far as i am concerned they are doing nothing wrong, good luck to them in the future where ever they go.

So the Ryanair is a nothing race? As far as I can see if that is the case nothing races are all this horse is going to be winning for the rest of his wrapped up in cotton wool career. Personally, I don't think he will stay three miles and if you read the quotes neither does the jockey. So they will ignore his input and effectively throw a dart at the King George?

I wanted him to win on Saturday but in hindsight I should have been routing for Cue Card. The two horses are clearly chalk and cheese. One has turned up year after year not shirking a challenge while the other wants absolutely everything in his favour. Imagine how many horses would actually pitch up at Cheltenham if their connections adopted a similar attitude. It would finish the sport.

It is assumed that Waiting Patiently has reached a level because of the conservative approach to his career. Nobody knows for sure if that assumption is actually correct.

could argue the king george is becoming a nothing race - probably be 4/5 runners, is 9 months away and is worth a lot less than the ryanair.

Only 3 of the last 15 King Georges have raced on SOFT or HEAVY.   So there it is more than likely he may not get his ground in December.   To forfeit every other opportunity in the hope he gets soft ground at Kempton seems ludicrous.

yeah but for the owners its all about the horse and not money driven

I don't see the point of running him in the Ryanair. They have been patient with the horse so far so why change that now? He had his hardest race yet on Saturday and seemed very keen to stop after the winning post which to my mind doesn't augur well for the Cheltenham hill. I'd give him a break and bring him back for Aintree or Punchestown or else put him away. I'd give him a trial at Cheltenham next season rather than try to find out if he handles the track at this year's festival. The chances of him getting his preferred ground at Cheltenham are low anyway. Year after year Claisse has demonstrated he has no control over his drainage system and he has to produce artificial good to soft by watering. The only way you're going to get soft is if it rains close to the race (that would be bucking a long trend for Cheltenham in March) and recent events have shown the watered ground quickly turns into a bog which would then bring into question the horse's stamina. There is no shame in swerving the Ryanair in my opinion.

Autocue can't see the point in running the best (or may be second to UDS) 2.5 mile horse in training in the most valuable 2.5 mile chase in the racing calendar! Strange.

prize money is really not the issue here, its the ground that is the issue & how hard he will have to run to win a grade 1 on likely good ground & the aftermath of the race (which a lot of people on here forget about)

if the ground is too quick for the horse & they run & he gets jarred up by it that might be it for the ssn and a good chunk of next ssn also given the history of the horse

sound horses have implied prize money from future races

crocked horses don't

if its good ground I cannot see him running

would have to be predominately g/s for them to take the chance imo

the stuff about the course is absolute bollox imo

Connections seem terrified of their horses losing these days.   There is no disgrace in not winning (especially if not your ideal conditions) but  as long as the ground is not rattling, they should run it.

Was it you who said it was okay to debate the subject but now you are talking about ante-post punters moaning about losing money?

You clearly haven't read the posts because they don't refer to moaning about losing money although it would be perfectly reasonable to be frustrated when 99/100 people wouldn't be so negative about the horse taking his chance.

As far as I can see you have added nothing bar just agreeing with the connections. I already know their thoughts.

How the fook is Aintree going to provide suitable ground a month later, it'll be bone hard by then.

do you have an ante post bet on it for the Ryanair DD ?

g/s is safe racing ground, so if it misses the race on that going, they are just dodging it imo

sounds like they're waiting for the welsh national, with that big lake round the bottom bend ...

Well i personally would agree with g/s being safe racing ground, but it seems its not for Waiting Patiently.
Or maybe its a combination of Cheltemham and the ground......i mean for them to run WP at a course they aint sure suits him,they want the ground at least soft. On a flat track they may run on better ground??

I think it is the age and experience of the horse plus the nature of the Cheltenham course. Nevertheless, if ground is soft/heavy a participation is more likely given the temptation of the prize money and prestige associated.

sounds like she wont send him to me . punters immediately advised not to punt him / difficult course , everyone else is obsessed with chelts ( not me ) they go very quick there , hes a young horse done his winning on galloping tracks  etc . id get out if i could sageform