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Removal of IP bet delay.
Removal of IP bet delay.
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Deltâ 09 Feb 18 21:07
funny how some rare posters arrive to big it up to suit themselves come in No7 your time is up.. |
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ph. 09 Feb 18 19:15
in the scheme of things removing that 1 sec still leaves the majority at least half a furlong behind live so it is irrelevant really  |
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lcredd..wont make any diff..track players can still bet past the line.
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That's true - I've never understood how that's allowed but, hey, what can you do? It cost me hundreds if not thousands to learn not to bet in the final furlong.
I think this will only make it harder betting at home. |
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Dear Betfair Customer Services.
Please could you fix it to remove the 1 second delay and suspend all races from 1 furlong out. |
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incred..becos the suspend is done from bf hq.
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Anyone betting in the last furlong with slow pics is going to do their dosh anyway, so not really any difference. The improvements will come earlier in the race when people take a view (right or wrong) and click on a price and get it, rather than hoping. There might be a big increase in bots putting in bets and then almost instantly cancelling if not taken.
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Dave, the bets are cancelled instantly anyway, the delay only applies to bets when submitted.
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the downside is being unable to cancel without the 1 sec advantage.
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Yep, that should put a few jumping bots out of business.
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incred..becos the suspend is done from bf hq
what are they watching to suspend ? |
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the quickest available to them.
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???
I'm just comparing the situation when the bet goes in and doesn't get taken right away. Now that bet is slightly more exposed. So they might cancel unmatched eg after 2 seconds? Not full bots, just ppl using betangel etc setting up their bets that way (maybe they do that now anyway) IDHAFC what they do  |
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Fill or Kill: 0 seconds for most purposes.
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its the way I'd do an in running bet anyway if I had fast pics and the skill required.
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WH I've no idea what the actual delay is nowadays, I can remember 1.9 secs, 2.8 secs,4 secs, 7 secs and last time I was interested ATR had a few days around 11.7 secs behind live so forgive me if I don't think BF knocking a second from their acceptance has any worthwhile bearing on anything. The fast pics boys have cleaned out the stupid and gullible and now BF see in running drying up they are clutching at straws to give it a boost. I understand LV has improved when it works but that isn't guaranteed day to day. Willie if u were a stay at home punter reliant on ATR or RUK would you play in running?
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"the quickest available to them"
like what ? |
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If at Hexham, Sedgefield, Newcastle etc, they just use the Facetimers in the boxes.
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pablo-fanque 09 Feb 18 22:29
"the quickest available to them" ruk...and their feed that supplies the blv..and no facetimers in any boxes. |
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cheers WS
so i guess they are slow to suspend on the line on purpose . i have seen races on LV that suspend 2-3 seconds after the line, sometimes more if it's a close finish |
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no not on purpose..they can only use whats available to them..and blv never suspends more than few yds past line and the 1 sec delay stops getting matched.
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willie , if it's a very close finish ( 2.0 the pair in a photo ) , i have seen the suspend appear at least 4 or more seconds after they have crossed the line , many times .
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Call me a cynic but.............. Betfair interested in their customers opinion ?? The same customers who have been treated with utter contempt for years ?? Maybe you should ask our opinion on charges ranging from 22% to 62% based on some historical data that can go back further than ten years !!
Might just be a coincidence but the competition gathering pace and offering much better terms may have awoken the complacent beast from its slumbers. You say we "have" the best in running product but that may soon be "had" and having zero delay on bet placement is a little like re-arranging the deckchairs on the Titanic,in my opinion of course. |
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Think this is a great idea. Too often I strike prices in the box and still there then wait the 1 second
and only part matched.......often for tiny amounts. Anyone playing late off delayed pics have no one to blame bar themselves. I like to play mid-race or 2/3rds in. Will definitely make me play more often. RUK pics are well playable inrunning imo.......those waiting for something clear cut will never make it pay unless on course/facetiming pics. |
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Agadolphin the same price will still dissapear as the 1s who are taking them will still be taking them 1 second earlier than you. Nothing changes in that aspect.
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I hope they do it, reducing the amount of time the BF bot has to determine value against what others are offering at any one time is a good thing.
Though I do wonder what it would be like. Those who think getting rid of it will save stay at home players on fallers havn't considered that at present on course bets also take 1 second to match, so they will still lose their money. I think the prices will be all over the place, once markets are opened IR the money disappears anyway, the thing that people watch fluctuates and if prices match instantly then they will come and go in a flash. All those 2 quid bets will vanish about as soon as they appear and people might click on a price only for the price to have jumped to the next price that they didnt want. But FI, lets do it, take the stabilisers off and lets all go down in a blaze of glory. |
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More often the prices aren't taken but cancelled. To cancel a bet the 1 second delay doesn't apply.
So,in theory, it will be easier against the person who puts a price up and either manually cancels or waits for fill or kill. |
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People bet on what they see.
At home players would have to only bet upto within 4 strides of a jump. |
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!) Remove it
2) faster live pictures 3) is it legal for a BF bot to stalk me when I enter a price ?? |
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3) Yes : but only you.
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Faster live pictures - YES (but never gonna happen)
Remove delay - NO. The whole point of the delay was to give people at home some protection, imo. |
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if i try to place a bet on an in play football match they suspend and post goals that are going to be scored in 4 or 5 MINUTES time.
on in play horse racing usually they suspend and post the winner,but they allow me to back a loser every time.but never allow me to back the winner,their betting is miles ahead of anything they say is live. |
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The delay was introduced to protect slower picture feed bettors, but it was never any use in practice because the pic delay is more than 1 second. So for most people it only functions as an irritant, imo.
It might as well be removed, but the real crux of the matter is obtaining faster pictures. Until that happens, the minority will continue to profit from the majority, delay or no delay. |
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so are bf going to decide by whats peoples opinion in this thread are?
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When is it being removed???
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when you look at the live pictures you think its live,but they can slow it down or speed it up and you will not know that its being delayed because the buffer(think thats the word)continues where it was delayed not showing the stall in time.if you can understand.
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lcredd 10 Feb 18 13:02
The whole point of the delay was to give people at home some protection, imo. That is the point of the delay, but to what extent it is effective is debateable. with the delay: a slow picture punter puts in a bet, something significant happens, if the significant is good for him, because of the delay his bet isn't accepted, bad for him his bet is taken. a slow picture punter has an unmatched bet, something significant happens. It is possible that the 1 sec delay allows him to cancel, but I'd have to be convinced that this happens much with slow picture punters, in any case I'm pretty sure that fast picture punters manage to cancel a lot more. Without the delay (in theory*) the prices that people see they get and those prices are going to be led by fast picture players. So even though they don't have fast pictures they should be unaffected if they take a bet ie the prices should be "true" (even if the information that the slow picture player is using isn't). So without the delay the slow picture player doesn't get disadvantaged. They still get scooped if they leave bets up, but some fast picture players do as well by the fastest of the fast fingers. Overall I think the it won't make much difference. People who leave bets up for a long time are going to lose under both conditions, but people wanting to bet what is available won't be so disadvantaged and won't get frustrated when they bet something, don't get taken and the horse wins. *The major problem here is the tech set up of different users might mean that they still don't get the price they click on. |
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ALL BEEN PROPER HOOKED IMO
STRANGE EVERYOTHER THREAD OF THERES STAYED ON TOP WELL PLAYED LOL |
