Boycott the Racing Post

fair comment olias but i stopped about 6yrs ago.

oh and those that subscribe online should be have a hard look at themselves .. imo. 

I've not bought the paper in almost a year, but couldn't do without the website.

You can get everything you need from other web sites Mouse but if you have to use it I hope you do not pay in any way shape or form

I did resubscribe when they reinstated the replays. Yes I do begrudge that somewhat but the fact is it's worth it for the time it saves having them all in one place.

... as olias says, i still use the site daily for all my needs but never pay a bean.

.. fair doos mouse it works for you, each to their own imo.

I used to buy it every single day for many years, now I would only pay for it if I go racing.

The website will be a necessity for alot of punters (definitely is for me) but would never buy their paper,I know I sound like a bit of a charlatan when saying that but thay've got me by the ba llsack on this one

Not bought the paper for 15 years.
Use the website everyday.
I bet using a method,I couldnt do this without RP.

.. the point is 1830 do you pay ?

i suppose they are caught between a rock and a hard place.the bookies pay a huge slice of their revenue in advertising.the bookies obviously have told them to print headlines of doom  etc  to try and retain the crack cocaine machines in shops(the "shops will close " argument is so spurious im surprised its even being used as everyone knows the number is only so high because of the crack cocaone machines). but the racing public have a clear understanding of whats going on and arent buying any of it.  so poor bruce is getting it from every angle.

I pay or the Internet Subscription .
I make money by using it.
FOBT is nothing to do with me.
I do value the pound in my pocket.
Like Ive said I make profit,therefore I will carry on using it.
I know its a cliche ,but Im not gonna cut off my nose to spite my face.

Use Attheraces?? this the channel helping punters with a 7 second delay to live

.. out of curiosity what is the subscription you pay ? and what do you get that i dont, and like olias has said have you checked you

  cannot find the same service elsewhere for free or less. ?

The fobts is everyone's responsibility regardless of one's attitude to gambling; fobts induces addiction and prey on the most mentally venerable - they are built to trigger the pathways to one's brain. It is highly addictive and its existence and proliferation on the high street are socially unacceptable and damaging to the quality of the high street. The medical profession detest fobts more than any other strand of gambling, and that is fact.

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2018/jan/28/maximum-stake-cut-fixed-odds-b...

I'll just post the full link as the one posted takes you to not found then you have to find the article

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2018/jan/28/maximum-stake-cut-fixed-odds-betting-shop-terminals-boost-for-horse-racing

isleham    
Use Attheraces?? this the channel helping punters with a 7 second delay to live


So because the live racing is delayed that makes their whole site completely redundant

Re the free site do you notice the slight delay since the upgrade while the quick bet Bookmaker Adds load with the additional irritation that many will not be allowed a bet with those bookmakers.A boycott by punters no longer buying the paper is a good idea I suspect it is already happening but if you decide to follow in then spending a few mins e mailing them explaining why as per the OP and other matters if done by enough of us might just cause some much needed pause for thought and not just from Bruce.? Some inc myself will have already done so but it will be the many who would make the difference.

You can get everything you need from other web sites Mouse


no, you cant

2 other reasons to boycott... Bruce's continued dumbing down. I click on news and invariably get some drivel like 5 things to look out for today. And secondly the inevitable price rise come Cheltenham,,,

If someone can tell me which site offer all the information on the newspaper print out - I will cancel today. I have not been able to find so many stats in one simple layout anywhere else but would be happy to change. They used to be free, then they cost 20p each, then they were free again and now you have to be a member which is £14.50 a month and I only use them for big meetings and Saturdays mainly.

I will join the boycott, Olias.

I already have. Simply the organ does not deserve the support of punters.

The Guardian's final paragraph sums it up.

If racing loses out on media rights payments as a result of a cut to a £2 maximum on the machines, it will be money the sport has not earned and does not deserve. A return to focusing on betting and not gaming will be to the long-term benefit of racing and the bookies alike.

Oh, hold on though. The Guardian is not saying the money won't be lost. Rather it will be lost but that's OK because racing doesn't deserve it and then a miracle will happen and racing and betting will flourish. The precise nature of this miracle is unclear.

years ago these  machines  were know as one  armed bandits    hell the hell  the powers that be don't ban em all

they have no place in high street betting shops imo  then the hight street books will have to take bets on horse racing  .. like they did before  the fobts

AtTheRaces is in NO way superior to the Racing Post, period.

goes something like this a punter  goes into a betting shop   ask for a bet on a horse race  any race  £ 80  on this  7/2 second fav .. the guy behind the counter say   ok will have to  my trader head office.... sorry  you can have a £5  on at S/P....   ok  is it ok if I put £300 in  fobts  ... no prob sir............

I use RP/ATR/RUK sites for different things and need them all

paper rubbish info online free all I need  k walsh the big dog 18.0 early bf, isp 8.0,boom

Katie Walsh is not a dog!

The Racing Post like the BHA sold it's soul to the devil by cosyig up to the bookmakers and continuing to do so. I must admit I do still buy it as I find the form layout a massive help when assessing a race together with online tools from elsewhere. I don't like the rag and the direction it's gone in being so ridiculously supportive of bookmakers but as someone said earlier  I can't cut off my nose to spite my face either. Long term we all know that racing needs to escape from the clutches of the bookmakers but no one will be brave enough to do it.

^ My feelings entirely asparagus, but I am lost without it.  I could never study 4 meetings in a morning without it, time is my biggest enemy!

I only buy it the 4 days of cheltenham for the same reason as asparagus

that week is so manic I find it far easier to have the printed cards in front of me, rather than just working on laptop

the rp is a dismal rag. yet another elementary mistake today- wolverhampton is in sussex and plumpton the west midlands.

I hope you enjoy the extra 10p this year wonder.

for 4 days I don't mind jmdc but all year round I wouldn't even buy it for a £1

I'd like the option of just buying the RP form/cards (i could live with the adverts too as i dont even notice them anyway) etc and not all the editorial rubbish for a reduced price, but that would be like wanting just the pictures and no presenters etc for ruk, they are not going to offer it because they know full well very few people actually want to pay for the 'value added' and they might not be in a job anymore

@zipper -- goes something like this a punter  goes into a betting shop   ask for a bet on a horse race  any race  £ 80  on this  7/2 second fav .. the guy behind the counter say   ok will have to  my trader head office.... sorry  you can have a £5  on at S/P....   ok  is it ok if I put £300 in  fobts  ... no prob sir............

Sure, but boycotting the Racing Post won't change that, and nor will limiting stakes on FOBTs.

Jan 29, 2018 -- 1:30PM, Rider wrote:

I'd like the option of just buying the RP form/cards (i could live with the adverts too as i dont even notice them anyway) etc and not all the editorial rubbish for a reduced price, but that would be like wanting just the pictures and no presenters etc for ruk, they are not going to offer it because they know full well very few people actually want to pay for the 'value added' and they might not be in a job anymore

that's spot on imo

@Rider -- sounds like you want the betting shop edition. Unfortunately you have to buy the standard edition as well, although you do not have to be a betting shop.

Ramruma

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@zipper -- goes something like this a punter  goes into a betting shop   ask for a bet on a horse race  any race  £ 80  on this  7/2 second fav .. the guy behind the counter say   ok will have to  my trader head office.... sorry  you can have a £5  on at S/P....   ok  is it ok if I put £300 in  fobts  ... no prob sir............

Sure, but boycotting the Racing Post won't change that, and nor will limiting stakes on FOBTs.   yes it will ramruna if the soft income stream from fbots get smaller they will have to go back to laying bets?

i meant in relation to fbots

Are they trying to ban fembots now?

The Racing Post is a sh!tty paper and not fit for purpose; its editor is past his use-by-date and tenure and ought to have been replaced ages ago; out of touch with racegoers and its contents generally are poor and boring. I've not bought a copy of the Racing Post for well over 15 years possibly 20 years, but I still go racing especially at big meetings.

1986 a picture of Sonic Lady on the first day of the Craven meeting. What a paper that became. The introduction of Pricewise and value betting, sports betting. It seemed so much more advanced than the Sporting Life. I bought it every day for years.
Now I may buy 6 editions in a month  it's not worth the price.

Its sole purpose is to benefit bookmakers at the expense of punters even to the extent that they will champion FOBT's which deflect betting money away from Racing and into one armed bandits.

I like the idea of referring to them from now on as one armed bandits

Because "one-armed bandits" makes them sound like the harmless slot machines most people used to play at the seaside? I expect the BBA would quite like that.

What happened to the days when the bookmakers took on the punters..?
They are all cowards now. no bottle at all, relying solely on the FOBTS. if they go, some firms will go under, as they haven't got the staff who are clued up..
for the past 15 years ,They've employed Accountants, not Turf Accounts

Ive never touched the FPBTs but if as mooted it did go down to £2 a throw and I had £400 to play with I would (god forbid) play the cartoon horse racing or the dogs, as there is a greater element of chance involved (dogs knocked over at first bend etc.) But the point is I would still need the service's of a bookie so the monies will still be going into the satchels.

What happened to the days when the bookmakers took on the punters..?

The FOBTs and Betfair happened (at more less the same time). The former prevented the need to react to the latter as they guaranteed risk free profit. Over time the off course books have become so complacent because of these risk free profits that racing is now merely the smokescreen to legitimise the shops being open. The supine and stupid BHA and their predecessors have supported the off course books because  the 4 FOBT per shop rule has lead to the unintended consequence of more shops being opened with their consequent media payments going to racing.

There we would have stayed but the new stake restrictions on the FOBTS changing everything.

Thus the squealing of both ABB and the BHA

spot on pp

The excuse the BHA and the sh1tty Racing Post are using that horse racing levy from the probable closure of the "crack cocaine" bookie shops from a £2 max limit per spin will be significantly reduced is an over exaggeration and scaremongering, to say the least. Of course the levy will be negatively affected, but to what degree is yet an unknown.

However, what I'd like to know is how many multiples of £20k per shop charged for pictures (media fee) each "crack cocaine" fobts bookie shop bring in? For instance, media fee of £20k per shop what is the profit from one of this "crack cocaine" fobt bookie shop bearing in mind minimal cumulative bets taken for other sports presently? I'd be astounded if net profit per shop contribution from fobts alone is not many multiples of media fee charged.

Hopefully, the head honchos of these "crack cocaine" fobt bookie shops could furnish the Parliamentary Betting Committee this info next they meet.

Each FOBT makes on average around £1000 per week. The average number of FOBTs per shop is marginally less than the maximum permitted of 4.

Some might conclude the media rights payments of £30,000 pa plus other costs are worth £1000 x 4 X 52.

I couldn't comment.....

Back of a ciggi paper calculation and assuming an average of 3.5 fobt per shop eg:-

Per annum income = 3.5 (fobt) x £1000 (profit) x 52 (wks) = £182 before operation costs.
Assuming operation costs of £50k per annum = £(182 - 50)k = £130k net profit per shop.
Multiply by 10k shops in the uk = 10k x £130k = £1,300,000,000 or £1.3bn sheer profit!

No wonder the bookies are fighting for these easy but ill-gotten/no risk gains.

Reckon - 

the average number of machines is nearer 3.9 per shop

operating costs somewhat more than you suggest. Staff, rates, heating etc

but nevertheless the RISK FREE profit is huge.

Independents suffer doubly by paying more per shop than the big boys for media rights and been vulnerable to a run of poor FOBT results. If you're running scores of shops winning on the machines becomes, even over a short period, a statistical certainty.

Going back to basics, i.e. bookmaking, will be a major shock to the rats!

I might have made a mistake with my calculation. Upping the number of fobts per shop to 3.9, expenses £50k per year/per shop and and factors remaining the same eg:-

Per Shop per wk = 3.9 (fobt) x £1k = £3.9k (before expenses)
Net Profit per shop per yr = (£3.9 x 52)k = 202k - £50k = £152k
Net Cumulative Profit for 10k shops in UK = (£152k x 10000) = £1.52bn or £1,520,000,000

That is colossal profit with no risk!

parispike

Talking about the big boys

Sat having a glass of wine tonight and I get a phone call from an irate pal of mine who tried to get a bullseye on a 9/2 chance at Leicester today with korals.

After a lengthy phone discussion he was offer £4 and coppers so he took it as it was all he could get, he was then informed that the minimum phone call stake was £10 so he was asked what else he wanted to back, the rest of the conversation I wouldn't be allowed to post

I was shipped out to a flag ship shop yesterday and looked at last weekends figures, shocked to see less than 300 slips last Saturday

without the fobts I don't think 50% of the shops would be running.

And the horse today got well beat

I'm sure Simon Clare would deny this under oath and make you out to be a liar oh the reality of betting on Horse Racing