Phil Middleton's supposed 'bet'

i might be mistaken but i think he volunteered himself on to ATR to declare this too...

exactly,why so keen to tell everyone about it?

£100 e/w yankee ?  i tried to get a fiver on jenkins at 11/2 and was offered 38 pence ...

Sounds like a big fish story

I too thought it was a lot of sh1te. Good advertising whilst the FOBT review is going on though huh

he also said if it was up to him he would have pulled hollybush out and only ran him because the owner came in a chopper ,never mentioned the bet,also said he thought his in the last would win but didn't include it in the bet, should leave the drink alone while blabbing on tv,bit of aftertiming romancing going on , imo

Why is this story hard to believe? Anyone can back a horse three or four days in advance but obviously not take a price. Many pros back each-way even at short prices.

the four ascot horses, well we know with evans/laddies that bookies will bend over backwards for trainers even in this case where not their horses...the more difficult to understand is the 200 e/w acca with the ascot four and HBH but if the trainer said the horse was deffo going to run then i'm sure they would have laid him SP - but 200 e/w acca on five relatively short priced ones suggests that he's had a few losing days in the past because for the rest of us, do that once and you won't get a farthing on again

Anyone can back a horse three or four days in advance but obviously not take a price.

we know that,iv'e done it myself but impossible to do online/phone.try getting a bet on thursdays aw cards at sp online,u can't even though we can see the declared runners so hows he place a bet on a NH race 48 hours in advance even at sp?like i said lets see the bet receipt

I've only done that in shops for buttons years ago obviously has "special relationship" with the bookmaker here

if someone looks a slippery ****** they usually are

with the winnings rolling on to hollybush on Monday,so if he,d have pulled hollybush out like he said he was going to do on atr,they,d have paid him out on Saturdays roll up,yeah course they would,

he is so pie eyed normally that he wudnt know which end of the pen to use to write his slip out, absolute clap trap of the highest order

I spoke to Phil sunday evening,he told me then about this bet.i was also with phil a few months ago when holly bush henry won at 25 to 1.Phil won over 100k that day.There are a lot of green men on this forum.

Thanks nuboy it confirms what I've been saying for years that despite their priviliged positions they can bet what they want and we can bet f all,please mention this to Phil I'm definitely not knocking him as I've won a few bob on his horses over the years.I'm sure there'd be an outcry if he logged into his account typed £100 EW in the yankee box and got MAX STAKE 0.00 or 0.07 like alot of us do,then had to go round 4 or 5 shops from different companies and the rest at Betfa ir sp multis to get on without adding in horses 2 days in advance.
It isn't envy that raised some doubts with posters it's the REALITY that 1000's of us have faced for years,we just want fairness unlike the bolox you and the racing world hear/read WE AREN'T ALLOWED TO BET WITH BOOKMAKERS FACT (unless we are deep pocketed clueless addicts).
Good Luck to yourself and Phil glad he mentioned his bets (bookmakers/RP liars won't have liked this) as it helps highlight the lies and inequality we face everyday.

so he won 50k here 100k before, and still just on break even, amazing scenes ...

Sounds like a "valued customer" .

So the trainer backs his horse to win £100k in a race at Worcester on a Monday afternoon, and the horse still goes off at 25/1 SP. Doesn't exactly sound as if the bookies are terrified of him does it?

Just look at oddschecker daily all the seas of blue can't exactly be genuine bets from the right people and the number of trainers/owners/connected yards having multiple winners  is just coincidental,it's hard to believe the markets are genuine when a few quid (literally) on betfair changes the price of a horse across the entire industry.
I remember the day Compton Park won at Pontefract on a Sunday was single figures in the morning drifted like a barge all day returned 20/1 Les Eyre said he couldn't believe the price the boys had "wheelbarrows on" all over the place and was made to look like a non trier despite the right people being on

nuboy
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I spoke to Phil sunday evening,he told me then about this bet.i was also with phil a few months ago when holly bush henry won at 25 to 1.Phil won over 100k that day.There are a lot of green men on this forum.

Hi nuboy,hope you are well.

I know Phil well and he is not the type to lie,you can get most bets on if you ask the right firm.

Thanks for posting Frank though I've never been in the position to have a relationship with any bookmaker like that not envious just pointing out the reality for most of us

fav to land over 50 grand in a small runner race on a Monday and tells atr he was going to ,pull it out,only ran it because the owner came, the smell of bullshoite in the air

Denzil.

If I didnt know Phil personally I would have thought the same,Phil loves a bet , he has ridden many winners himself
in Point to points,Arabian races,and Quarter horses races and worked for a few well known trainers.

He is not hard up either.

Frank I believe it for sure I've said that already somewhere on here

oh hello I,m interested in staking 2 or 3 grand in a short priced multiple bet at ew on saturDay ,rolling on to my own horse at fakenham on monday in a race where we don't no the decs, strength of opposition etc, and I might pull my own runner out on Monday if it suits,NO PROBLEM SIR,HOW MANY SUGARS IN YOUR COFFEE

They have to be able to bet to make the game pay seems straightforward enough to me as they have info that is beneficial to the bookmaking industry.
I moan because the likes of me are effectively betting in the dark and can't bet and it's then denied that this happens

Makes my bets look a little meek ...

Back (Bet For)
Odds
Stake
Profit
•    Holly Bush Henry  40  £0.36   £14.04
•    Holly Bush Henry  44  £2.64  £113.52

Starting Price (SP) bets
SP Back (bet for)
Odds
Stake
Profit
•    Holly Bush Henry  31.77  £15.00   £461.50

I know Phil well and he is not the type to lie

they are all liars ffs,comes with the job

wet themselves with excitement at finishing 2nd in a fakenhem  maiden ,but yeh won over 150 grand in 2 bets,yawn,yawn,not a major bet for me, ive done plenty, sorry ive got to run theres 3 quid on the lay side for one of mine that needs the run tomorrow, bye

Hi frank,im fine,hope you are keeping well,if those on here googled phils name they would soon see that he does not have any reason to fabricate winning 50k on a bet.Training horses is just his hobby.

bookie is happy to take a £50k risk laying someone that has inside information as to how the horse will run.  but won't lay a complete guesser £5 on the same horse in case he has it back on here to guarantee a 14p profit.

that is the issue ...

Nuboy  were you in his living room watching HBH when it won at the monster 25-1 ??.

Those that doubt he had the bet or bets then that's up to you, all I will say is those numbers were small bets for him, exitas and Golan have also been smashing the bookies up in recent months.
Holy was never gonna be a non runner, like to know where that come from, lump on were his words, keep up the great work Phil

that came from his own mouth on atr,we only ran because the owner had hired a helicopter to get us here,otherwise I,d have pulled him out, rather than pick one porkie pie from another easier to assume its all fantasy, note to your buddy you need a good memory to be a good liar

btw Phil's having a chuckle at home right now, and one bet was worth 69k, those that doubt, oh well, luckily he knows eh

how much did he have on the drifting fav in the last that he thought would win although he didn't include it in his acca , out of his 170 grand winnings,

that Helicopter was booked the week before at least. Maybe  some haven't been watching him after some of his winners and losers, he has been interviewed ie before Holy,s last race he said he had backed it e/w and I think there was 7 runners at Kempton, it came 4th he lost 4 figures minimum, luckily he or anyone doesn't have to prove nothing to anybody, so if ya doubt it that's up to you all, each to their own, funny really

first of all Astrum was not fav all day , it was backed into favourite come post time and drifted late on, Astrum is a 100 rated exposed animal ,Hercules I call him a one paced plodder that normally gives his all but no great shakes, yes he fancied it to run well and I'm sure he backed it, told us it was a decent e/w double but for me never the bet, prices to short and field sizes etc, anyway that ran like a drain from the off, that horse normally likes to force the pace but started at the back, suppose to be off racing on the snow but I see it has new entries again, not for me that one

Jon,lets put this to bed once and for all,bet was  with betfred  69k winnings ,bob cooper saw his ticket.

must have been a fred PUSH

Already done nuboy

will betfred withhold his winnings like they did with barney curley?Phil could settle this by posting an image of the slip/receipt on here

why would he do that?

i doubt he cares what a few on the betfair forum think,

cared enough to tell all the atr viewers about his private bet

trial by the betfair forum, ye couldnae make it up

you believe him or you dont believe him,like i said i doubt he will be fussed either way

trial by the betfair forum

actually its called freedom of speech/opinion/expression

you believe him or you dont believe him

we don't but like i said he could easily take a picture of his 'slip' and post it on here via yours or nuboys account or social media.Lots of people have shown their winning tickets in public after telling the public of their win.Lottery winners,Scoop 6 winners,Casino jackpot winners,Football Pools etc etc so come on Phil when you've finished chuckling to yourself lets see the slip/receipt

why would anyone feel the need to post a photo of a bet because a few people on a face less forum think its not real.

cover the 500 ew double
hollybush
artsum

up if you like

Give it a rest mate,it will do your head in.
Just like you're doing to most of us.

he,s a tip from me for nowt,the threads that do my head in I avoid, give it a try

be interesting to see if any of his horses have pulled out or do  pull out of a 16 runner handicap.

if phils got one running and freds phone doesn't ring ... that's one push sorted.  was 11/4, now 9/1

Yep You,re all correct he,s a big fat liar  he aint got a pot to piss in, lives in a shed and has to push start the horse box too. Crack on guys finding ya winners and banking your profits every week, gl to you all

I would think the reasons some don't believe are obviously because of how the bookmakers have treat ordinary punters for years so don't take offence it's a scenario created by the bookmakers and all their complicit liars.
For me Phil Middleton should be applauded for making this public and his mates also for backing him up because the big picture shows how we are treated and how those in the game are treated with regards to betting.A day after after all the s h ite from Skybet,Millington etc it just adds a bit more proof of what we've complained about for years and how these lot are stealing a living through easily telling lies.

agree - this is not about believing him or not, it's about the type of relationship a la evans/laddies that adds to the toxic feelings most of us have towards present day turf accountants - sure they always had their stable moles and trainers and jockeys in their pockets but as one poster below says, all it takes to repay the 'favour' extended by mr done in taking this particular bet is for the trainer to withdraw one in a 16 or 12 runner hcap and the impact to the punter will more than compensate..these turf accountants want it both ways, i.e. they'll gladly take 'smart' money from those who can return the favour whereas those punters who appear to be 'smart' are shut down, blocked and restricted at their whim...this whole episode shows again the toothlessness of BHA, the evans/laddies story was significantly underplayed in the media and the BHA actions perfunctory at best