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Middleton, 66, permed Ascot winners Jenkins, Drumcliff, Acting Lass and a non-runner in a £200 each-way bet at the weekend, with the winnings set to roll on to his own Holly Bush Henry.
The trainer said: “Mark [Lowther, co-owner] has a box at Ascot and we were there socially on Saturday. I had a £100 each-way yankee and also had the same four horses with Holly Bush Henry in a £200 each-way accumulator. I've not worked it out, but it's over £50,000."
How did he get to include a runner on monday afternoon two days earlier?How did he know what price or how many runners as no 48 hour decs for NH racing?cant believe he wrote it on a slip and e/w
drumcliff and holly bush henry both less than 8 runner races while acting lass never bigger than 7/4.Another bookies story to 'prove' they lay bets
Come on Phil lets see a picture of the betting slip.Couldn't of been done online or on phone as reasons stated for mondays winner
Middleton, 66, permed Ascot winners Jenkins, Drumcliff, Acting Lass and a non-runner in a £200 each-way bet at the weekend, with the winnings set to roll on to his own Holly Bush Henry.
The trainer said: “Mark [Lowther, co-owner] has a box at Ascot and we were there socially on Saturday. I had a £100 each-way yankee and also had the same four horses with Holly Bush Henry in a £200 each-way accumulator. I've not worked it out, but it's over £50,000."
How did he get to include a runner on monday afternoon two days earlier?How did he know what price or how many runners as no 48 hour decs for NH racing?cant believe he wrote it on a slip and e/w
drumcliff and holly bush henry both less than 8 runner races while acting lass never bigger than 7/4.Another bookies story to 'prove' they lay betsCome on Phil lets see a picture of the betting slip.Couldn't of been done online or on phone as reasons stated for mondays winner
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i might be mistaken but i think he volunteered himself on to ATR to declare this too...
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exactly,why so keen to tell everyone about it?
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£100 e/w yankee ? i tried to get a fiver on jenkins at 11/2 and was offered 38 pence ...
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Sounds like a big fish story
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I too thought it was a lot of sh1te. Good advertising whilst the FOBT review is going on though huh
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he also said if it was up to him he would have pulled hollybush out and only ran him because the owner came in a chopper ,never mentioned the bet,also said he thought his in the last would win but didn't include it in the bet, should leave the drink alone while blabbing on tv,bit of aftertiming romancing going on , imo
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Why is this story hard to believe? Anyone can back a horse three or four days in advance but obviously not take a price. Many pros back each-way even at short prices.
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the four ascot horses, well we know with evans/laddies that bookies will bend over backwards for trainers even in this case where not their horses...the more difficult to understand is the 200 e/w acca with the ascot four and HBH but if the trainer said the horse was deffo going to run then i'm sure they would have laid him SP - but 200 e/w acca on five relatively short priced ones suggests that he's had a few losing days in the past because for the rest of us, do that once and you won't get a farthing on again
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Anyone can back a horse three or four days in advance but obviously not take a price.
we know that,iv'e done it myself but impossible to do online/phone.try getting a bet on thursdays aw cards at sp online,u can't even though we can see the declared runners so hows he place a bet on a NH race 48 hours in advance even at sp?like i said lets see the bet receipt |
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I've only done that in shops for buttons years ago obviously has "special relationship" with the bookmaker here
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if someone looks a slippery ****** they usually are
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with the winnings rolling on to hollybush on Monday,so if he,d have pulled hollybush out like he said he was going to do on atr,they,d have paid him out on Saturdays roll up,yeah course they would,
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he is so pie eyed normally that he wudnt know which end of the pen to use to write his slip out, absolute clap trap of the highest order
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I spoke to Phil sunday evening,he told me then about this bet.i was also with phil a few months ago when holly bush henry won at 25 to 1.Phil won over 100k that day.There are a lot of green men on this forum.
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Thanks nuboy it confirms what I've been saying for years that despite their priviliged positions they can bet what they want and we can bet f all,please mention this to Phil I'm definitely not knocking him as I've won a few bob on his horses over the years.I'm sure there'd be an outcry if he logged into his account typed £100 EW in the yankee box and got MAX STAKE 0.00 or 0.07 like alot of us do,then had to go round 4 or 5 shops from different companies and the rest at Betfa ir sp multis to get on without adding in horses 2 days in advance.
It isn't envy that raised some doubts with posters it's the REALITY that 1000's of us have faced for years,we just want fairness unlike the bolox you and the racing world hear/read WE AREN'T ALLOWED TO BET WITH BOOKMAKERS FACT (unless we are deep pocketed clueless addicts). Good Luck to yourself and Phil glad he mentioned his bets (bookmakers/RP liars won't have liked this) as it helps highlight the lies and inequality we face everyday. |
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so he won 50k here 100k before, and still just on break even, amazing scenes ...
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Sounds like a "valued customer" .
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So the trainer backs his horse to win £100k in a race at Worcester on a Monday afternoon, and the horse still goes off at 25/1 SP. Doesn't exactly sound as if the bookies are terrified of him does it?
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Just look at oddschecker daily all the seas of blue can't exactly be genuine bets from the right people and the number of trainers/owners/connected yards having multiple winners is just coincidental,it's hard to believe the markets are genuine when a few quid (literally) on betfair changes the price of a horse across the entire industry.
I remember the day Compton Park won at Pontefract on a Sunday was single figures in the morning drifted like a barge all day returned 20/1 Les Eyre said he couldn't believe the price the boys had "wheelbarrows on" all over the place and was made to look like a non trier despite the right people being on  |
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nuboy
24 Jan 18 02:59 Joined: 05 Feb 03 | Topic/replies: 267 | Blogger: nuboy's blog I spoke to Phil sunday evening,he told me then about this bet.i was also with phil a few months ago when holly bush henry won at 25 to 1.Phil won over 100k that day.There are a lot of green men on this forum. Hi nuboy,hope you are well. I know Phil well and he is not the type to lie,you can get most bets on if you ask the right firm. |
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Thanks for posting Frank though I've never been in the position to have a relationship with any bookmaker like that not envious just pointing out the reality for most of us
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fav to land over 50 grand in a small runner race on a Monday and tells atr he was going to ,pull it out,only ran it because the owner came, the smell of bullshoite in the air
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Denzil.
If I didnt know Phil personally I would have thought the same,Phil loves a bet , he has ridden many winners himself in Point to points,Arabian races,and Quarter horses races and worked for a few well known trainers. He is not hard up either. |
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Frank I believe it for sure I've said that already somewhere on here
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oh hello I,m interested in staking 2 or 3 grand in a short priced multiple bet at ew on saturDay ,rolling on to my own horse at fakenham on monday in a race where we don't no the decs, strength of opposition etc, and I might pull my own runner out on Monday if it suits,NO PROBLEM SIR,HOW MANY SUGARS IN YOUR COFFEE
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They have to be able to bet to make the game pay seems straightforward enough to me as they have info that is beneficial to the bookmaking industry.
I moan because the likes of me are effectively betting in the dark and can't bet and it's then denied that this happens |
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Makes my bets look a little meek ...
Back (Bet For) Odds Stake Profit • Holly Bush Henry 40 £0.36 £14.04 • Holly Bush Henry 44 £2.64 £113.52 Starting Price (SP) bets SP Back (bet for) Odds Stake Profit • Holly Bush Henry 31.77 £15.00 £461.50  |
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I know Phil well and he is not the type to lie
they are all liars ffs,comes with the job |
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wet themselves with excitement at finishing 2nd in a fakenhem maiden ,but yeh won over 150 grand in 2 bets,yawn,yawn,not a major bet for me, ive done plenty, sorry ive got to run theres 3 quid on the lay side for one of mine that needs the run tomorrow, bye
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Hi frank,im fine,hope you are keeping well,if those on here googled phils name they would soon see that he does not have any reason to fabricate winning 50k on a bet.Training horses is just his hobby.
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bookie is happy to take a £50k risk laying someone that has inside information as to how the horse will run. but won't lay a complete guesser £5 on the same horse in case he has it back on here to guarantee a 14p profit.
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Nuboy were you in his living room watching HBH when it won at the monster 25-1 ??.
Those that doubt he had the bet or bets then that's up to you, all I will say is those numbers were small bets for him, exitas and Golan have also been smashing the bookies up in recent months. Holy was never gonna be a non runner, like to know where that come from, lump on were his words, keep up the great work Phil |
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that came from his own mouth on atr,we only ran because the owner had hired a helicopter to get us here,otherwise I,d have pulled him out, rather than pick one porkie pie from another easier to assume its all fantasy, note to your buddy you need a good memory to be a good liar
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btw Phil's having a chuckle at home right now, and one bet was worth 69k, those that doubt, oh well, luckily he knows eh
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how much did he have on the drifting fav in the last that he thought would win although he didn't include it in his acca , out of his 170 grand winnings,
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that Helicopter was booked the week before at least. Maybe some haven't been watching him after some of his winners and losers, he has been interviewed ie before Holy,s last race he said he had backed it e/w and I think there was 7 runners at Kempton, it came 4th he lost 4 figures minimum, luckily he or anyone doesn't have to prove nothing to anybody, so if ya doubt it that's up to you all, each to their own, funny really
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first of all Astrum was not fav all day , it was backed into favourite come post time and drifted late on, Astrum is a 100 rated exposed animal ,Hercules I call him a one paced plodder that normally gives his all but no great shakes, yes he fancied it to run well and I'm sure he backed it, told us it was a decent e/w double but for me never the bet, prices to short and field sizes etc, anyway that ran like a drain from the off, that horse normally likes to force the pace but started at the back, suppose to be off racing on the snow but I see it has new entries again, not for me that one
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Jon,lets put this to bed once and for all,bet was with betfred 69k winnings ,bob cooper saw his ticket.
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must have been a fred PUSH
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